RELIGION
01/30/2015 08:30 pm ET Updated Feb 03, 2015

Sexism: The Original Sin Of The Church (All Together Podcast)

YORK, ENGLAND - JANUARY 26:  The Reverend Libby Lane smiles as she stands next to the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby,
YORK, ENGLAND - JANUARY 26: The Reverend Libby Lane smiles as she stands next to the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, (R) and the Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu outside York Minster after she was consecrated as the eighth Bishop of Stockport on January 26, 2015 in York, England. The Church of England consecrated its first female bishop during a ceremony at York Minster today. The Reverend Libby Lane, who has been the vicar of St Peter's Hale and St Elizabeth's Ashley, in Greater Manchester, was ordained as the new Bishop of Stockport in a two hour service led by the Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu. (Photo by Jeff J Mitchell/Getty Images)

Welcome to this week’s ALL TOGETHER -- the podcast dedicated to exploring how ethics, religion and spiritual practice inform our personal lives, our communities and our world. ALL TOGETHER is hosted by Paul Brandeis Raushenbush, executive editor of HuffPost Religion. You can download All Together on iTunes, or Stitcher.

When Raushenbush was growing up in the 70’s, his Presbyterian church in Madison, Wisconsin had a woman serving on the altar as associate pastor. This just seemed normal to him. He later found out that women in a pastoral leadership position in the church at that time was not common and is still the exception rather than the rule within Christianity.

Recently, Rev. Libby Lane was consecrated as Bishop of Stockport making her the first woman Bishop in the Church of England. The stain glass ceiling break-through only occurred after years of debate and still, at her consecration, a priest stood and objected. In Orthodox Christianity, the Roman Catholic Church and in some Protestant denominations, women are not allowed to serve as pastors or priests. Pope Francis, who has been so open on many issues, has slammed the door shut to any debate on women serving as priests.

Given that women surrounded Jesus during his ministry, were the last to stay with Jesus at the cross, and the first to see him resurrected; it appears clear that Jesus believed in the spiritual power and perception of women. So, why does the church not hold women in the same esteem as did Jesus, the founder and center of the faith?

To help him understand the continuing sexism in the Christian Church, Raushenbush spoke with four extraordinary women: the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church Katharine Jefferts-Schori, the recent US ambassador for Religious Freedom the Rev. Dr. Suzan Johnson Cook, The President of Union Theological Seminary, The Rev. Dr. Serene Jones, and the one and only Sister Joan Chittister.

These four women spotlight the Church’s original sin of sexism; however their lives and wisdom inspire hope for the future when all the church might benefit from the spiritual power of women on the pulpit as well as the pew.

Raushenbush recommends a new book by Rev. Dr. Susan Shaw called Reflective Faith: A Theological Toolbox for Women. The book offers readers to consider for themselves the role of women in the church and in scripture in an easy to read style.

The podcast ends with a final question, answer and demand from none other than Beyonce who asks: "Who runs the world? Girls."

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BEFORE YOU GO

  • Dr. Sakena Yacoobi
    Dr. Sakena Yacoobi is the founder of the <a href="http://www.afghaninstituteoflearning.org/" target="_blank">Afghan Institute
    Dr. Sakena Yacoobi is the founder of the Afghan Institute of Learning, the Professor Sakena Yacoobi Private Hospital in Herat, and the Professor Sakena Yacoobi Private High Schools in Kabul and Herat, Afghanistan. The Institute provides teacher training, supports education for boys and girls, and delivers health services and education to women and children. She has said: "The Quran tells us to be good, and educations gives you critical thinking skills that are essential for ethical decision-making."
  • Rev. Dr. Katharine Jefferts Schori
    Rev. Dr. Katharine Jefferts Schori is the <a href="http://www.episcopalchurch.org/page/presiding-bishop" target="_blank">26th
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    Rev. Dr. Katharine Jefferts Schori is the 26th Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church. She serves as chief pastor to the Episcopal Church's 1.2 million members across 17 countries and 109 dioceses.
  • Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo
    <a href="http://tenzinpalmo.com/tenzin_palmo/biography.htm" target="_blank">Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo</a> is a Tibetan Buddhist n
    Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo is a Tibetan Buddhist nun and founder of the Dongyu Gatsal Ling Nunnery in Himachal Pradesh, India. She was one of the first Westerners to be ordained as a Tibetan Buddhist nun. In 2008, Tenzin Palmo was conferred as Jetsunma (reverend lady) in recognition of her spiritual achievements as a nun and her efforts in promoting the status of female practitioners in Tibetan Buddhism by the head of the Drukpa Lineage.
  • Bishop Vashti McKenzie
    <a href="http://www.10thdistrictame.org/bishop.html" target="_blank">Vashti Murphy McKenzie</a> is a bishop of the African Me
    Vashti Murphy McKenzie is a bishop of the African Methodist Episcopal Church. McKenzie is the first female elected as bishop in the denomination's history. In 2005, McKenzie again made history by becoming the first female president of the Council of Bishops of the AME Church, and the Titular head of the AME Church.
  • Diana L. Eck
    Diana Eck is a <a href="http://www.hds.harvard.edu/people/faculty/diana-l-eck" target="_blank">Professor of Comparative Relig
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    Diana Eck is a Professor of Comparative Religion at Harvard Divinity school and the Director of the Pluralism Project, a resource that explores and interprets the religious dimensions of America's new immigration. Eck received the National Humanities Award from President Clinton and the National Endowment for the Humanities in 1998.
  • Anat Hoffman
    Anat Hoffman Chair of Women of the Wall, whose central mission is to achieve the social and legal recognition of women's righ
    AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner
    Anat Hoffman Chair of Women of the Wall, whose central mission is to achieve the social and legal recognition of women's rights to wear prayer shawls, pray and read from the Torah collectively and out loud at the Western Wall. She is also is the executive director of the Israel Religious Action Center, the legal and advocacy arm of the Reform Movement in Israel. She formerly held a seat on the Jerusalem City Council, where she stood in opposition to the policies of the city’s right-wing and ultra-Orthodox administration.
  • Rev. Nancy Wilson
    <a href="http://mccchurch.org/the-reverend-dr-nancy-l-wilson/" target="_blank">Rev. Nancy Wilson</a> is the Moderator of the
    Rev. Nancy Wilson is the Moderator of the Metropolitan Community Churches.
  • Sister Joan Chittister
    Joan Chittister is the <a href="http://benetvision.org/vitaJoan.html" target="_blank">executive director of Benetvision</a>,
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    Joan Chittister is the executive director of Benetvision, a resource and research center for contemporary spirituality. She serves as co-chair of the Global Peace Initiative of Women, a partner organization of the UN, facilitating a worldwide network of women peace builders. She was an advisor for the report, A Woman’s Nation, led by Maria Shriver and was a member of the TED prize-sponsored Council of Sages, an interfaith group that developed a Charter for Compassion.
  • Bishop Minerva Carcaño
    Bishop Minerva Carcaño was assigned by the 2012 Western Jurisdictional Conference to be the <a href="http://westernjurisdicti
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    Bishop Minerva Carcaño was assigned by the 2012 Western Jurisdictional Conference to be the Resident Bishop in the Los Angeles Episcopal Area. In 2004 she became the first Hispanic woman to be elected to the episcopacy of The United Methodist Church, the second-largest Protestant denomination in the U.S. She is the official spokesperson for the Council of Bishops on the issue of immigration.
  • Sharon Salzberg
    Sharon Salzberg is a <a href="http://www.sharonsalzberg.com/" target="_blank">meditation teacher and author</a>. She cofounde
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    Sharon Salzberg is a meditation teacher and author. She cofounded the Insight Meditation Society (IMS) in Barre, Massachusetts, and has played a crucial role in bringing Asian meditation practices to the West.
  • Rev. Dr. Emilie M. Townes
    <a href="http://divinity.vanderbilt.edu/people/bio/emiliem-townes" target="_blank">The Rev. Dr. Emilie M. Townes </a>is the d
    The Rev. Dr. Emilie M. Townes is the dean of Vanderbilt Divinity School and a pioneer in the field of womanist theology.
  • Katherine Marshall
    <a href="http://explore.georgetown.edu/people/KM398/" target="_blank">Katherine Marshall </a>served as senior advisor for the
    Katherine Marshall served as senior advisor for the World Bank on issues of faith and development and is Executive Director of the World Faiths Development Dialogue (WFDD)
  • Dr. Ingrid Mattson
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    AP/Islamic Society of North America
    Dr. Ingrid Mattson is the London and Windsor Community Chair in Islamic Studies at Huron University College at the University of Western Ontario in London. She founded the Islamic Chaplaincy Program and was the former director of the Macdonald Center for Islamic Studies and Christian-Muslim Relations at Hartford Seminary in Hartford, CT.
  • Joanna Brooks
    Joanna Brooks is the author of <em>The Book of Mormon Girl: A Memoir of an American Faith</em>, a professor of English and co
    Joanna Brooks/Religion Dispatches
    Joanna Brooks is the author of The Book of Mormon Girl: A Memoir of an American Faith, a professor of English and comparative literature at San Diego State University and a frequent contributor to Religion Dispatches and other media outlets. She is a leading voice on Mormon life and politics.
  • Rev. Sally G. Bingham
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    Rev. Sally Bingham is the Founder and President of Interfaith Power & Light, an organization that does faith-based environmental advocacy. In 2014 she was appointed to the White House panel on Environmental Stewardship & Climate Change. She serves as Canon for the Environment in the Episcopal Diocese of California.
  • Margot Adler
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    Margot Adler/Twitter
    Margot Adler is an NPR correspondent, Wiccan priestess and author of Drawing Down the Moon, sociological study of contemporary Paganism in the United States. She joined the NPR staff in 1979 and has contributed regularly to All Things Considered, Morning Edition and Weekend Edition. She is considered to be a leading voice in the neopagan community.
  • Fahima Hashim
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    Fahima Hashim
    Fahima Hashim is the Director for Salmmah Women’s Resource Center. She has spent over 25 years working in the area of gender and development, and with a special emphasis on women’s rights and sexuality, violence against women, and peace working with female youth in conflict areas.
  • Rabbi Sharon Kleinbaum
    Rabbi Sharon Kleinbaum is the spiritual leader of <a href="http://www.cbst.org/About/Leadership/Religious-Leadership/Rabbi-Sh
    CBST
    Rabbi Sharon Kleinbaum is the spiritual leader of Congregation Beit Simchat Torah (CBST) also known as the LGBT synagogue, and is regarded as one of the most important rabbis in America. Prior to joining CBST, Rabbi Kleinbaum was Director of Congregational Relations at the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism in Washington, DC, from 1990-92.
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    Jetsün Khandro Rinpoche is one of the very few fully trained female Rinpoches ("precious masters") in the Tibetan tradition. She was recognized by His Holiness the 16th Gyalwang Karmapa as the reincarnation of the great Dakini of Tshurphu, Khandro Orgyen Tsomo and a respected and revered female master. For the past two decades, Jetsün Khandro Rinpoche has taughter in Europe, North America, and Asia.
  • Malala Yousufzai
    <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/malala-faith-islam-next-generation_n_4072645.html" target="_blank">Malala Y
    Malala Yousufzai was shot by the Taliban for standing up for the education of girls and has electrified the world with her determination and courage in the face of ignorance and hate.
  • Amrit Singh
    Amrit Singh is the senior legal officer for national security and counterterrorism for the <a href="http://www.opensocietyfou
    ACLU
    Amrit Singh is the senior legal officer for national security and counterterrorism for the Open Society Justice Initiative. She served as a staff attorney at the ACLU Immigrants’ Rights Project and was one of the fiercest U.S. critics of the torture and abuse of prisoners under the Bush Administration. Her father is the 13th and current Prime Minister of India, Manmohan Singh, the first Sikh to hold this office.
  • Rachel Held Evans
    Rachel Held Evans is a <a href="http://rachelheldevans.com/about/" target="_blank">Christian columnist, blogger and author</a
    Rachel Held Evans
    Rachel Held Evans is a Christian columnist, blogger and author of Evolving in Monkey Town and A Year of Biblical Womanhood. Best known for her blog, Evans has been named one of Christianity Today's "50 Women to Watch. "
  • Joyce Meyer
    Joyce Meyer is one of the world's leading practical Bible teachers. Through <a href="http://www.joycemeyer.org/AboutUs/JoyceB
    Joyce Meyer Ministries
    Joyce Meyer is one of the world's leading practical Bible teachers. Through Joyce Meyer Ministries, she teaches on a number of topics with a particular focus on the mind, moods and attitudes. Joyce hosts a TV and radio show, Enjoying Everyday Life®, which broadcasts worldwide to a potential audience of 4.5 billion people.
  • Rev. Dr. Sharon Watkins
    Rev. Dr. Sharon E. Watkins is the <a href="http://www.disciples.org/OfficeoftheGeneralMinisterandPresident/DrWatkinsBiography
    AP Photo/Rick Bowmer
    Rev. Dr. Sharon E. Watkins is the General Minister and President of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) in the United States and Canada. She is general pastor of the 700,000-member denomination, responsible for representing the wholeness of the church, for reconciling differences, and for helping the church retain its clarity of mission and identity.
  • Dorothy Wright Nelson
    Dorothy Nelson is a <a href="http://www.fjc.gov/servlet/nGetInfo?jid=1742&cid=999&ctype=na&instate=na" target="_blank">United
    Dorothy Nelson
    Dorothy Nelson is a United States Federal Judge, nominated by Jimmy Carter in 1979. She was the first woman law professor at the University of Southern California and was later named its Dean in 1969, becoming the first woman dean of a major American law school. She is the longest-standing member of the U.S. Baha’i community.
  • Layli Miller-Muro
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    Layli Miller-Muro is a prominent voice in the Baha'i community and the Founder and Executive Director of the Tahirih Justice Center, a non-profit organization that works to protect women and girls from human rights abuses through legal aid and public policy advocacy. Before that she worked as an attorney at Arnold & Porter and an attorney-advisor at the U.S. Department of Justice, Board of Immigration Appeals.
  • Archbishop Antje Jackelen
    <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/16/antje-jackelen-sweden-archbishop-first-female_n_4109584.html" target="_blan
    Archbishop Antje Jackelen Is Sweden's First Female Archbishop.
  • Daisy Khan
    Daisy Khan is Executive Director of the <a href="http://www.asmasociety.org/about/b_dkhan.html" target="_blank">American Soci
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    Daisy Khan is Executive Director of the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA), a New York-based non-profit that works to build bridges between Muslims and the general public. She has launched two flagship programs: the Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow (MLT) and Women's Islamic Initiative in Spirituality and Equality (WISE), global movements to empower Muslim youth and women.
  • Bobbie Houston
    <a href="https://hillsong.com/en/brian-bobbie/" target="_blank">Bobbie Houston</a> is a Pentecostal pastor in the Australian
    Bobbie Houston is a Pentecostal pastor in the Australian Christian Churches. She and her husband, Brian, founded and are the Senior Pastors of the Hillsong Church in Sydney, Australia
  • Ruth Messinger
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    Wikimedia Commons
    Ruth W. Messinger is the President of American Jewish World Service (AJWS), an international development organization providing support to more than 200 grassroots social change projects in Africa, Asia, and the Americas. Prior to assuming her position at AJWS in 1998, Ms. Messinger was in public service in New York City for 20 years. She served 12 years in the New York City Council and eight years as Manhattan borough president.
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