Hillary Hatred Is "Hard For John To Talk About, But It's The Reality"

Time Magazine   |  ERIC POOLEY   |   August 30, 2007 08:47 AM


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From an interview with Elizabeth Edwards quoted in Time Magazine article "Betting The Farm:"

"The media goes to this very engaging story about a legitimate woman candidate and a legitimate candidate with an African-American heritage, and that drives up their fund-raising numbers," says Elizabeth, the unfiltered voice of the campaign, during an interview on the bus a week before that speech. "Then the media folks say, 'See, that proves we were right to focus on these two candidates' ... It's enough to make you tear your hair out." Soon she's pressing the argument that her husband is the most electable candidate, the one who will help other Democrats win in the South and West--and she's managing to attack Clinton while defending her. "I want to be perfectly clear: I do not think the hatred against Hillary Clinton is justified. I don't know where it comes from. I don't begin to understand it. But you can't pretend it doesn't exist, and it will energize the Republican base. Their nominee won't energize them, Bush won't, but Hillary as the nominee will. It's hard for John to talk about, but it's the reality."

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DemocRATS deserve to loose, and probably will loose in 08. Their only hope to win is by defeat in the war, economic downturn or recession, general misery and hopelessness. Military success, roaring economy and general happiness is feared by the democRat apparatchiks. The fake, phoney and corrupt Hillary does not inspire anybody, who pays minimal attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 08/30/2007

I'M lost is MRS EDWARDS saying her husband :
.........." HATES HILLARY " ?.................
I'M sorry but she is getting to sound like a person who is grasping for air and
..........." HATES TO LOSE ".................
FIRST the race is not over and the VOTERS have not made there choice yet but this kind of story realy takes away from who is right for the job.
AND it looks like she dosen't like OBOMA TO MUCH or is itshe fears HILLARY would ask OBOMA
to be her running mate.
AGAIN I say the EDWARDS CAMP SEEMS TO FEEL THEY HAVE LOST ALREADY AND THATS THERE CHOICE TO MAKE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 08/30/2007

I think John Edwards hasn't a hateful bone in his body Pajeff3. Furthermore I am getting a strong sense that this race is not as over as the Clinton operatives would like it to appear. The good folks of Iowa have very good judgement and I think they will support John in their primary. As a physician, I am particularly interested in a candidate's health care plan. John Edwards has the most carefully thought out plan on Health Care and the Environment. He isn't as liberal as Bill Richardson on the war, but he's close.

What is most compelling about him is his compassion for the middle and underclasses. Those who don't have hired lobbyists to favor the interests of the corporate establishment.

Hillary has compassion too. She did afterall say that "...lobbyists are people too." It brought a tear to my eye, it was so sweet. ;)

Mrs. Edwards is correct that what drives the dislike of Mrs. Clinton is not apparent to all of us. But it is a fact. And we had better beware of it. It may well cost us in 2008. We can do better than her.

GB

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 08/30/2007

I'm for Obama, but I think Democratic voters will get cold feet and feel safer with a white man at the head of the ticket, not a black and not a woman. Clinton may get in if the state Democratic parties continue to allow crossover votes in the primaries because many Republicans will crossover to ensure that she is the nominee. This would parallel the general election race between Lieberman and Lamont for the Connecticut senate seat when Republicans did not vote for the Republican candidate but Lieberman. In that event, you can count on another stolen election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 08/30/2007

I think you're wrong.

No one who is for Obama thinks he can't win, and the same goes for Clinton. Both can win.

And Obama is taking more moderate Republicans away from their party than the rest of the Dem candidates combined. He's beating some of the Repub frontrunners in some states.

Moderates, the swing voters, are not racist or sexist. They're common sense realists. And a realist will never vote for Edwards. Now Richardson, that's another story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 08/30/2007

The facts: John Edwards just said that no one should own SUV's -they use up to much energy- The Edwards recently built a 28,000 sq. ft. house-that's the size of a department store-with a squash court- He's a trial lawyer who made lots and lots of money from insurance companies by suing doctors- (now that really helps lower the cost of health insurance)- He has run for President as a full time job for at least the last 2-3 years-so far his only real chance of winning a state is Iowa-where he has basically lived for 2 years- The Republicans would love him to run-

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 08/30/2007

I don't think Hillary is unelectable. She won her second Senate race in 2006 by a landslide -- more than 1 million votes. Many people who didn't vote for her the first time came around and voted for her the second time.
The more people diss you and tell you that you're no good, the more you have to come out swinging to prove them wrong. Hillary knows this and I think she's up to the task. Karl Rove called her "fatally flawed", but he also said that the Republicans would hold the Senate in 2006. He's been shown to be wrong about quite a few things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 08/30/2007
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She won her first senate election by a landslide, too.

That one started out against Rudy, with tons of Anti Hillary $$$$.

You can say she won because NY is liberal, but thats just the NYC area.

Upstate NY is incredibly conservative, and they came out in droves for Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 08/30/2007

The Hillary Hate Factor is real. Don't shoot the messengers!

Regardless of whether one likes Hillary as a candidate or not, the Dem party seriously risks losing the White House in '08 with her as nominee. Rove, nefarious f*** that he is, is no fool and spoke the truth about Hillary as "fatally flawed." Dem party needs to get the message. Elizabeth Edwards likewise spoke truth.

Face it, Dems, the GOP base will turn out in droves against Hillary instead of for their pathetic GOP choice. GOP base will NOT be so united or effective against Edwards. Edwards is also a far cry from the "ambulance chaser" lawyer cliche and his professional record holds up against GOP mudslinging. Does it not dawn on anyone that Edwards gets less attention from media and GOP precisely because he is the REAL threat to the GOP in '08?

And an Edwards/Obama ticket would really screw the GOP pooch! Get smart people. With Edwards/Obama the Dem party gets an electable ticket and our country gets an honest, principled, intelligent president for a change...and a decent, principled, intelligent black man gets closer to the presidency for the first time in our history and on-the-job training.

Or is the Dem party fatally flawed to forever shoot itself in the foot -- and lose the most promising election in 30 years???!!!
Overconfidence about '08 and ignoring the Hillary hate factor is perilous. Pride before the fall...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 08/30/2007

Flip the script, and you've got it right. JE has less experience then Barack--not even close. Plus, he's more articulate, better speech-giver, etc. Yes, JE is older by 5-6 years, and has more money. What other skills or policy positions does he have that warrants him sitting in the pilot's seat?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 08/30/2007

You mean Barack Obama for President?

A Black man?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 08/30/2007

AlteredEgo

Hillary, Edwards and Obama are all pro-war. The "Hillary hate factor" is old-fashioned MISOGYNY. It is obvious that the reason for all the disproportionate hatred directed against Hillary is that she is a woman.

End the denial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 08/30/2007

where on planet earth did you get that Obama is pro-war?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 08/30/2007

What action does a drowning man in the middle of the ocean take as he watches the big ship pass him by? Make a lot damn noise right...And that's all this is; a desperate, last gasp to garner some much-needed pub. What doe he/she have to lose? If you're gonna sink, you might as well go down kicking and screaming...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 08/30/2007

I just think Elizabeth Edwards ic completely irresponsible for this statement. What an insult to say suggest the lone reason for Obama's & Clinton's high fundraising is b/c one if black & the other is a woman. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, b/c our society has a lot of historical evidence that shows being black and being a woman is an advantage. Give me a break!
Check out: http://myragmag.com/therag There is a column on the Edwards, that reminds us that Edwards with only 2 years in office was considered for VP!

I can't believe the Edwards have the audacity to complain when they've had a silver spoon for the past 7 years!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 08/30/2007

I will find it very,very hard to vote for H.Clinton why? because she is a sock-puppet to LIE-berman and the DLC, if she was a real women that stands up for the CONSTITUTION LIKE Maxcine Walters, then a few mistakes in her voting record I could over look,and I like Russ Finegold but he is not in the race so I will take John Edwards so far but H. Clinton is a sock-puppet to LIE-berman, Big CORP:, and the CORP:, MAIN STREAM MEDIA would like for her to be the to be on the DEM.,Ticket. I hope she fails...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 08/30/2007

Romney can beat her.

In a Massachusetts Mormon minute.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 08/30/2007

The fairy has his mommy out there speaking for him again! This is a soap opera!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 08/30/2007

"hard for john to talk about - but not impossible"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 08/30/2007

After all these years of talking and blogging, no way am I giving up my vote to someone who is Republican-ish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 08/30/2007

Don't you have some wall-carvings to finish? The day of women being meek hushpuppies, and baking cookies when out with Chuuby Checker and the Twist. They're other half of a team, and have a right to speak their mind. Even though I don't agree with Mrs Edwards. I want her to keep talking; it's good for my candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 08/30/2007

Duh???????

Here's the HRC nomination scenario in a nutshell:

o Take pistol out of holster .
o Point pistol at foot.
o Pull trigger.
o Much noise and pain ensues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 08/30/2007

sculptor

Absolutely. The Republicans would be dancing in the street.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 08/30/2007
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