Senator: Petraeus To Warn Of Low Troop Morale

Chicago Tribune   |   August 30, 2007 08:32 PM


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Following a dinner they shared in Baghdad, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said Wednesday that he expects Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, to report to President Bush and Congress next month that American troops are exhausted by the war effort there.

Durbin, speaking to a group of Tribune editors and reporters in Chicago, said that during a trip through Iraq earlier this month he saw a military that has made some progress toward improving security since a manpower "surge" last February. But he said U.S. troops were being pushed to the limit and that Petraeus concurred.

"I expect the general to acknowledge to the president what I said about troop morale and the readiness of the troops to continue this battle at this level. He said as much over dinner," said Durbin, the Senate's assistant Democratic leader.

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Being deployed for 451 days at a time is traumatic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 08/31/2007
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Duh?

With 3,737 plus dead and 27,662 plus wounded American and not end in sight for them, who would you expect?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 08/31/2007
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Surely George W. Bush cares.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 08/31/2007
- Grannysue I'm a Fan of Grannysue 128 fans permalink
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Bush and Cheney don't give a rats ass about the troops, their expendable and replaceable.
Except they are not being replaced, who wants to go to IRAQ and be a target for who knows who? This administration has never had any plan on getting out of IRAQ, that's why they didn't have an after the invasion plan. Because after the invasion, hell, were staying. There's oil in them there sands!
Unfortunately, for our noncoms and regular military, their fearless Generals have only worried about tacking another star on their shoulders, not what's good for the troops.
Unless the American People begin marching in the streets these idiots will stay in IRAQ until pigs fly! Oh, yea Karl already left, o.k. until the fat lady sings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 08/31/2007
- jay1975 I'm a Fan of jay1975 4 fans permalink
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When I fist went over in 2003 morale was low. When we were told we were deploying, the hope was for at least Afghanistan (you know that silly little place where the enemy is) but we went to Iraq for the WMD's (trying not to puke now). In Kuwait getting ready to roll North we had our chemical gear everywhere we went. When we arrived at our first camp in Iraq, we were told to pack our chemical gear since we wouldn't need it. Funny, three weeks into the invasion and we were being told that their were no WMD's. Sounds like someone knew before hand. That move boosted morale in that we no longer had to worry about getting gassed but in the long term slowly ate away at our morale as we began to wonder what we were doing there and why we were never told when we would go home. A year later we went home. 9 months later we were told to deploy again. I lost a civilian police job I had been accepted for because I had to deploy again. We were so short handed that we were working at just over 2/3 capacity. Morale was at an all time low. Now I am out an unemployed while my old unit is there for a third time for no reason that is apparent to any of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 08/31/2007
- CintiBlue I'm a Fan of CintiBlue 45 fans permalink

jay1975:

Thank you for your grim description of how it is. It's hard to read, I can't imagine having to live it.

mrcontinental and jay1975:

Are you in a postion of possible recall (ready reserve)? I've lost track of how the numbers are being bolstered and wonder if you two have that hanging over your lives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 08/31/2007
- jay1975 I'm a Fan of jay1975 4 fans permalink
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I got out after nearly 11 years of service so I decided to join the National Guard since I am over the halfway point to military retirement. I have two years of state-side stabilization which means I am non-deployable until mid 2009. My unit is a prison unit (I was a regular patrol MP) so if I did deploy again I will at least get to stay inside the wire for the most part. I just hope these shenanigans are over by mid 2009.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 08/31/2007
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Nope. I'm retired and more than 50% disabled. I'm broken and of no use to them any longer.

My soldiers would take my old ass back with them if they could I've been told. All I can do now is pray and hope that all of the training kicks in on autopilot as it should. Someone will step up to replace me, someone always does.

It's odd though how you cannot tell these cocky kids shit back here stateside but when you're preparing to roll out the gate on convoy you can hear a pin drop in the silence and they will follow your instructions to the letter because they TRUST you to bring to take care of them.

Even though you have doubts you can't show it and you're even more afraid then they are because you have more they one life to take care of and because you made promises to their loved ones that you would do your best to make sure everyone comes home alive. And that sort of pressure wears on you everyday and eventually wears you out. I'm still not rejuvenated and it's been almost a year and I know most of them aren't either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 08/31/2007
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I could have told them this. My old unit is getting ready to return for their 3rd rotation in 4 years. These families are at the breaking point and have had enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 08/31/2007
- Colmore I'm a Fan of Colmore 45 fans permalink

Sooner or later the truth HAD to come out. This is an illegal invasion, to steal the oil, and establish a base in the middle east. The Iraqu people do not like their country being occupied. We would not like it if it happened over here. The troops volunteered to p[rotect the US, not the oil barons. The hypocrites who planned this invasion (it is not a war) do not risk their lives, or any of their families lives. They just reap the profits. Give the Iraqi people what is left of their country back, and bring the troops home. They have done all they can do in a situation that is unwinnable. Bush, Chaney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Kristol should all rot in Hell for what they have done both to Iraq and the US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 08/31/2007
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 58 fans permalink

I agree with you totally Colmore . . . it was an illegal invasion to steal Iraqi oil . . . nothing more than that . .. so the oil companies and their stock holders could get even richer . . .the US military now almost completely destroyed was the instrument of this vile cabal . . .time to bring them home . . .time for Congress to do the only decent thing they can do . . . impeach . . . first the big dick then the chimp . . . the whole regime belongs behind bars . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 08/31/2007

Someone needs to give Bush a hands on demonstration of the term battle fatigue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 08/31/2007
- gvincent I'm a Fan of gvincent 2 fans permalink

Last week a report came out reporting the largest amount of army suicides since the first Gulf war. Many pundits quickly rushed to judgment that this is caused by the worsening relationships between soldiers being sent back to Iraq for the fourth or fifth time and loved ones. No one, perhaps because of the phenomenal job done by the republican PR machine, assumed that this was caused by the fact that these kids are over there fighting a war that they do not believe in. After all, all of the soldiers over there feel that we are doing a great job and for a good cause...right?
Ever since the first critic of the Iraq war went public, the republicans have been saying that anyone that publicly condemns the war is unpatriotic and is helping the other side with their pessimism. Our public outcry against a not thought out and mismanaged war has been refuted by those who support the war with comments like "words like that here destroy the troops morale there." Well, either we have done a really incredible job destroying the troops' morale or members of the military are echoing the sentiments back home. Despite anything that Sean Hannity or Bill Kristol will tell you, support among the military for George Bush's mishandling of this war has fallen to it's lowest level yet...(Post was too long, read the rest at http://www.crookedinc.com)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 08/30/2007

LastDay Cafe,

The troops signed up to defend the country against threats. They did not sign up to fight an illegal war and prop up a parliament that will not pass any laws. They signed up to find the ones responsible for 911. So, when you are over there fighting an illegal war and you are not fighting against, or finding the ones that attacked us, how would you feel?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 08/30/2007

Seeing that the US Military is a "volunteer" army who wanted to learn how to use a variety of weapons to kill people,how can this army have low morale,since they're now in Iraq doing what they willingly and eagerly trained to do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 08/30/2007
- JoAnnCr I'm a Fan of JoAnnCr 16 fans permalink

You're joking, of course!?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 08/31/2007
- ElkoJohn I'm a Fan of ElkoJohn 13 fans permalink
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except that the majority of soldiers in Iraq are National Guard, which is different from being a Special Forces Airbrone Ranger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 08/31/2007
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 251 fans permalink
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Yes. And Ranger battalions are different from the Special Forces.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 08/31/2007

Gee, I sent mail to Bush, Martinez, Nelson and the local paper about how bad morale was getting with my son over there. Months ago. He was one of the (un)lucky ones to have their original 12 month deployment extended to 15 months. It didn't help that the rumor mill there was talking about extending to 18 months. That seems to be getting squashed now. Hopefully I managed to be part of what got that expounded.

He is in the home stretch now, less than two weeks before he's back home, and then he'll be home to see us at the end of September.

His morale wasn't great the start of this year. Pretty hard to when you've had two vehicles totalled out from under you by IEDs and EFPs. But his morale (even now, just doing the things it takes to get home, no patrols) is still really low.

His brother got deployed in July, and last I heard, he was doing OK. But he knew he was going in for 15 months. Of course, he proposed to his girlfriend (who is deployed with him) as soon as they got to Kuwait. And it doesn't help that I haven't heard from him in the past four weeks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 08/30/2007

A month ago he said morale was fine......all the GOP says the troop morale is fine.....ask Senator Graham!

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 08/31/2007
- ElkoJohn I'm a Fan of ElkoJohn 13 fans permalink
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if these wars in Iraq & Afghanistan are so important to our "National Security" then there should be a military draft so everybody gets a chance to kill Muslims in the Middle East.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 08/31/2007



"Cancer in Iraq vets raises possibility of toxic exposure"
As a result, his stunned and heartbroken family has joined growing ranks of sickened and dying Iraq war vets and their families who believe exposures to toxic poisons in the war zone are behind their illnesses — mostly cancers, striking the young, taking them down with alarming speed.
Suspect: depleted uranium
None of these soldiers know for sure what's killing them. But they suspect it's a cascade of multiple toxic exposures

Article in full:
http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/198240.php


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 08/31/2007



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k36GEOEkcgo&mode=related&search= US soldiers horse assing around;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k36GEOEkcgo&mode=related&search= driving through downtown Tikrit, getting shot at; see bullet holes in windshield;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL0-f_HgvEk&mode=related&search= Iraq Convoy through the streets of Muhammadiyah

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 08/31/2007
- JoAnnCr I'm a Fan of JoAnnCr 16 fans permalink

Sounds like Viet Nam and Agent Orange. Only those exposed to Agent Oranged lived to suffer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 08/31/2007
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