Thomas B. Edsall

BIO

Thomas B. Edsall

The Huffington Post

Who Has Their Ear? Telling Clues To Future Foreign Policy Choices Found In Advisers To Clinton and Obama

September 3, 2007 11:27 PM


stumbleupon :Who Has Their Ear? Telling Clues To Future Foreign Policy Choices Found In Advisers To Clinton and Obama   digg: Who Has Their Ear? Telling Clues To Future Foreign Policy Choices Found In Advisers To Clinton and Obama   reddit: Who Has Their Ear? Telling Clues To Future Foreign Policy Choices Found In Advisers To Clinton and Obama   del.icio.us: Who Has Their Ear? Telling Clues To Future Foreign Policy Choices Found In Advisers To Clinton and Obama

Months before the war in Iraq began, the battle within the Democratic foreign policy establishment was engaged.

In late 2002 and throughout 2003, at such think-tanks as the Brookings Institution, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Center for Strategic and International Studies, many eminent scholars, policy intellectuals and politicians out of power lined up for and against Bush's war plans.

On one side were a number who opposed the war -- among them Zbigniew Brzezinski, Ivo Daalder, Susan Rice, and Lawrence Korb -- all of whom called for a broader, multinational coalition, intensified weapons inspections and expanded diplomacy.

"Ultimately, the Bush revolution [in foreign policy] is bound to fail, because its core premise -- that America's security rested on an America unbound -- is deeply mistaken," wrote Daalder, former director for European Affairs on President Clinton's National Security Council staff, in an October 28, 2003 essay. "Far from demonstrating the triumph of unilateral American power, Bush's wars have demonstrated the importance of basing American foreign policy on a blend of power and cooperation."

On the other side of the Democratic divide were the early backers of the drive to invade Iraq and oust Saddam Hussein, including Richard Holbrooke, Sandy Berger and Martin Indyk.

On December 19, 2002, three months before the Iraq war was launched, Indyk, former Assistant Secretary of State and ambassador to Israel, together with Brookings scholar Kenneth M. Pollack wrote an essay titled "Lock and Load" for the Los Angeles Times:

"Hussein has just made it clear again that the only way to effectively disarm his regime is to overthrow it. That leaves the president with a choice between war sooner and war later. Indefinite inspections will only make the inevitable more difficult."

On the surface, these divisions have been largely resolved, with a growing consensus among members of the Democratic Party's foreign affairs elite that the Iraq war is a disaster of major proportions.

But the original split on the war has profoundly shaped the current contest for the Democratic presidential nomination.

The well-publicized contrast between Hillary Clinton's early backing of the Bush administration's war effort and Barack Obama's early opposition, has to a degree been replicated in the less visible network of foreign policy advisers that each candidate has cultivated -- the early war opponents by Obama, and the one-time hawks by Clinton.

The differing histories of the candidates on Iraq, reinforced by the parallel commitments of their advisers, suggests - but does not guarantee - that Clinton and Obama would, if elected, adopt substantially dissimilar approaches to international relations and to national security threats. If the past and the advisers are a guide, then Clinton would be expected to adopt a tougher line, and would be likely to threaten, and perhaps use, force more readily than Obama.

Clinton has lined up a foreign policy team dominated by those who shared her early support for the war in Iraq, but then, like her, changed their minds.

Holbrooke, Bill Clinton's UN Ambassador -- and a possible Secretary of State in a Hillary Clinton administration -- was, for example, an outspoken backer of the war in the days leading up to the conflict.

"Now it's time to use an approach that builds on the fact that Saddam is the most dangerous government leader in the world today, he poses a threat to the region, he could pose a larger threat if he got weapons of mass destruction deployed, and we have a legitimate right to take action," Holbrooke told Chris Matthews on January 23, 2003, two months before troops opened fire. "The American public always supports its commander-in-chief and we unify in times of crisis, and if the action is fast and rapid and successful, afterwards everyone will think they supported it."

Just seven months later, on August 26, 2003, Holbrooke's views had changed radically: Iraq, in his view, had become the "worst foreign policy disaster since the Vietnam War."

Not all the members of Clinton's foreign policy team were pro-war in the lead-up to the conflict. Nor were all of Obama's advisers down-the-line anti-war.

Daalder, by his own account, opposed the invasion before it began, and again almost immediately after it commenced. But, on the day the US attack started he joined 24 other scholars and analysts in signing a statement -- which he now regrets -- that declared:

"Although some of us have disagreed with the administration's handling of Iraq policy and others of us have agreed with it, we all join in supporting the military intervention in Iraq. The aim of UNSC Resolution 1441 was to give the Iraqi government a 'final opportunity' to comply with all UN resolutions going back 12 years. The Iraqi government has demonstrably not complied. It is now time to act to remove Saddam Hussein and his regime from power."

Madeline Albright, the former Secretary of State now advising Hillary Clinton, was, in turn, among the war critics. In a March 17, 2003, NewsHour interview she argued, with some prescience, that Vice President Cheney "seems to have wanted this action against Iraq from the very beginning, and that there have been around him a group of people who wanted to go to war against Iraq in the worst way. And my sense now is we are doing it in the worst way....[T]he timing of it, kind of an elective war, preemptive action, a serious attack on the United Nations, generally questions about where the institutional structure of the post World War II world is coming to -- are all questions that I think need to be considered, and that are issues that show the inevitable, the avoidable consequences, consequences that will come from this."

Most of Clinton's advisers, however, in the early days of the war confined themselves to procedural questions or voiced tactical doubts rather than substantive and strategic criticism -- primarily calling on the administration to recruit support from a broader array of allies. Sandy Berger, National Security Adviser to President Clinton, was not atypical:

"The urgency of this really changes when you link Saddam Hussein and terrorism," Berger told Chris Matthews on February 13, 2003. "I think after 9/11, the risk of not acting tends to be seen as more compelling than the risk of acting.... If we come in with a multilateral face, I think we are more likely to be seen as liberators not only in the first month, but in the 12th month and in the 16th month when we're still going to be there. That's really the test of whether we're seen as liberators or occupiers."
Over the past five years, most of Clinton's advisers have followed the same path as she has from war supporter to war critic.

"Iraq already presents us with the worst situation internationally in modern American history. Worse even than Vietnam," Holbrooke told a Washington audience on May 10, 2007, noting that he served in Saigon and worked on Vietnam in Washington and at the Paris peace talks.

"I never thought I would say anything was worse than Vietnam but Iraq, my friends, is worse than Vietnam," he added, qualifying his disagreement with the administration by voicing hope that the current U.S. offensive would succeed, but adding that the chances of this "are not high."

Obama's most prominent foreign policy advisers are less circumspect: Lawrence Korb, a former assistant secretary of defense from 1981 to 1985, said in an August 29 interview with the Associated Press, "It is essential that the military begin planning for a phased withdrawal from Iraq now so it can be safely completed within 10 to 12 months."

Comments for this post are now closed

 
Comments
148
Pending Comments
0
iPhone App Promo

Want to reply to a comment? Hint: Click "Reply" at the bottom of the comment; after being approved your comment will appear directly underneath the comment you replied to

View Comments:
Page: 1 2 3 Next › Last » (3 pages total)

Ploughboy says that Hillary Clinton is just another George Bush.

Come on, give me a break. Senator Clinton is really a uniter, not a divider. She has worked admirably in the Senate and as President she will work closely with Congress. Clinton is not an ideologue like Bush. She is a constructive pragmatist and when she arrives in the White House (which she will) the era of gridlock will end and the era of collaborative government will begin.

Might as well get used to it and to her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 09/05/2007

This article is not only about Clinton and Obama. It's about the fact that there are/were democratic hawks and how did they behave back then and afterwards.

Holbrooke strikes me as a good example of a democratic "hawk" (wasn't he called Balkans' Bulldozer at the time of the Kosovo crisis?).

For me it matters, how quickly you change your opinion in matters like this. Many good analytic minds made the same mistake. Everybody makes a mistake sometimes. This was one of Holbrooke's. Changing his mind was still quick enough for me (I've seen other types of hawks on the Republican side):

"Just seven months later, on August 26, 2003, Holbrooke's views had changed radically: Iraq, in his view, had become the "worst foreign policy disaster since the Vietnam War."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 09/05/2007
- lafrance I'm a Fan of lafrance 38 fans permalink

Anyone who saw the Chicago public access program from Oct. 2002 with Obama being interviewed about why his protests the invasion was very telling.
This so called naive and inexperienced man went down a list of what would transpire if we invaded. Every single on came to pass.
Obama has a deep understanding of the world, the people and has the intellect to think and learn everything he can on a subjet.
Obama has shown leadership and skill.
On the other hand, Hillary is a pure hawk who's biggest fans are the neocons.
They love her let's bomb the world thinking.
Hillary has proven to be irresponsible, lacking in judgement and someone who just follows what she polls for answers.
I'll take the judicious Obama anyday for president. I will also never vote for Hillary as i am not as irresponsible in my voting as Hillary is in hers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 09/04/2007
- plutorage I'm a Fan of plutorage 12 fans permalink

If you want to understand what kind of foreign policy we will be in for with Hilary/Holbrooke you could read the short story "There is no War in Melnica" by Ralph Peters where Holbrooke appears (but with his name changed to protect the guilty, of course).Hi­nt: After the Clinton administration Holbrooke hauled his carpet bag over to Wall Street

It is a great read anyway. Lots of good reviews.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 09/04/2007

Whoever is elected President in 2008 needs too limit the influence of ADL, AIPAC, ect.

"The Israel Lobby" needs to be representative @ 2% of the appointees any new administration ..which is equal to the % of the population made up by those of Jewish decent in the USA.

USA - Jewish citizens =2% of USA population.

ISRAEL citizens have more influence over the U.S. government and our policys that we U.S.citize­n taxpayers.

Is it not time Israel the 13th richest country on earth ....suppor­ts herself?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 09/04/2007
- bethinCary I'm a Fan of bethinCary 9 fans permalink

While I don't denounce Jews. I do denounce AIPAC. I wish members would see the world-wide vile effects of thier propaganda of hate towards other countries. I wish that they would cancel thier membership or support of AIPAC immediately. If they do not think that it will come back to haunt them in a few years when we as Americans sorting through the mess-thye as sorely mistaken and misguided. Those same AIPAC members-were signers of the PNAC agreement and of Iran/Contra as well. They are a bunch of power-hungry, greedy, insanely wrong
neocons still thinking in ColdWar terms in a modern and changing world. They are trying as best they can to keep a lid on/ and stay ahead of the changing system to best serve thier own capitalistic purposes. They are using AIPAC to hide behind as a reason to continue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 09/04/2007
- CitizenE I'm a Fan of CitizenE 17 fans permalink

I never realized that Barack was a jewish name or is it a variant on Baruch meaning Blessed. Shalom Aleichem--Alaikam Salaam. There never has been a more warmongering religion on earth than Christianity. Looted the new world, genocide of women. The soldier on the cross. Oh the self righteousness of some. Bluish, funny you don't smell bluish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 09/04/2007

Of the many things that bother me about HRC's campaign for higher office, two things, in particular, stand out:

One is the seeming tendency of the DLC/DINO to be forever posturing as the toughest gang in the DC hood. This predilection towards force, of course, extends way beyond the horizon.

The second is the inherent necessity to double the ante, by betting that the ex-first lady, can be the first lady to clean up any mess, anywhere, any time, be it natural or human in origin.

Just imagine Ajax in a pants-suit, but with a big war-chest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 09/04/2007
- nunzia I'm a Fan of nunzia 31 fans permalink

Another goofy headline.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 09/04/2007

Hillary is 100% in AIPAC´s pockets.

Obama is only 40%.

Whether I would prefer to vote for someone who was 100% independent from AIPAC´s money, Obama is the best choice. The only candidate who would have some degree of credibility to restore our standing and image in the world.

Hillary is a Lieberman who wears a skirt...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 09/04/2007

I agree with you. However, look for the right wingers to smear him because of his name and the fact that his father is a muslim. Look for them to smear him based on the fact that he isn't white and the fact that he's not from one of the aristrocrat families.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 09/04/2007

If that's the worst they've got... bring it on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 09/05/2007

How often does it have to be stated that the congressional funding for a specific war is the equivalent of support for that war until every writer understands that this statement is based on an unequivocal 1990 ruling of the US Supreme Court? Ergo: Senator Obama's position prior to his entrance into the US Senate has become wholly irrelevant. He has become a repeat supporter of Bush's war in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 09/04/2007

These candidates have all refused to campaign in any state that is moving its primary before whatever date the DNC says. That is shameful on the candidates part as well as the DNC's part. I have sent the following emails to Hillary and Barack's campaigns as well as to the DNC and to Moveon.org. Everyone who isn't from Iowa and New Hampshire should get behind this move and flood these people with some sense of the outrage that they must feel about this shameless move.


By caving into the outrageous demands of the democratic party to forego campainging in the states who are not toeing the party line by changing their states primaries is a slap in the faced to the PEOPLE who make up the democratic party. I will personally VOTE REPUBLICAN in retaliation for this move by the democratic party and will move heaven and earth to see that the democrats fail and you fail becuase you are once again falling in line to these idiots who haven't been paying attention to what the AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT. And that is Leadership not party rules. You need to break from these idiots or you will lose AGAIN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 09/04/2007

I'm sympatheti­c... But the irony is that the whole scheduling trainwreck came about because the Democratic party wanted to diminish the influence of Iowa and NH... Adding SC and NV to the mix seems to have justified the rest of the states' decisions to jump ahead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 09/05/2007
- jhNY I'm a Fan of jhNY 56 fans permalink

Having read Obama's latest op-ed, in which he tries to shore up his foreign policy acumen by seeming to buy into all, as in all, of the present administration's ramp-up for war in Iran, I despair for our future, whichever one of these ambitious politicians (Obama, Clinton or Edwards-- assuming democratic party victory) gets into the oval office. Corporate fascism: what could go wrong?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 09/04/2007

So, let me get this right.

Obama is going to walk the picket line with union strikers after he's elected President and be a corporate fascist all at the same time.

So, we are going to have a guy that's African-American and with an Irish ancestry that probably knew oppression better than most, a guy thats willing to go into some of the toughest places in all of Chicago (places you and I may not venture), and somehow he's going to be a "Corporate fascist???"

He'll fully support big business (if that's what you mean) to build the economy and very much be in the pocket of SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS (like me) as this is where he gets a ton of his funding.

A corporate fascist that asks for my money and tells DC lobbyists to get lost? I worked near K Street for a while....A­s Hillary can attest, it's real tough to turn down that kind of money.

I just have a real hard time seeing a Black-Irish fascist from Chicago! Now that would be truly funny!!!

Please explain further. LMAO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 09/04/2007

What oppression did Obama know?

What tough places did he go in Chicago? (Warning: I lived on the streets in Hyde Park.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 09/04/2007

DasBoot (See profile | I'm a fan of DasBoot)
Madleine Albright is Jewish too.

She was against the war from the start.

So there goes your idiotic theory: Not all Jews were for the war.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

Well, DasBoot, who doesn't know that mad Madeleine Korbel, too, is Jewish?

In her pathetic zeal to come across as more "American" than a native-born U.S. American, that naturalized citizen bombastically remarked on February 19, 1998, on NBC's Today, "But if we have to use force [against Iraq], it is because we are America. We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall, and we see further than other countries into the future, and we see the danger here to all of us. And I know that the American men and women in uniform are always prepared to sacrifice for freedom, democracy, and the American way of life."

Elliott Abrams, the Jewish man at the Middle East desk of the National Security Council, could hardly have been more correct when he wrote in 1997 in his book Faith or Fear: "There can be no doubt that Jews, faithful to the covenant between God and Abraham, are to stand apart from the nation in which they live. It is the very nature of being Jewish to be apart -- except in Israel -- from the rest of the population­."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 09/04/2007

Korb understands that we are wrecking Our Army and Marine corp and that this cannot be sustained.­.

A war with Iran will be the most destructive to Americas real best interest and may very well initiate our ultimate downfall as the leading world power..

Edwards favors a military attack upon Iran this is why I or any right thinking well informed human being cannot support him or Hillary or Oschlama..

All of the leading Democrats are a total fraud and still have their lips firmly sutured to the asses of the corporate fascists..

I'll vote for Kucinich and then most likely never even bother voting again, as we are a corporate oligarchical fascist state masquerading as a nation..

The war with Iran will be huge and involve many nations and be our ruin..it will change America forever and we will never go back to the great Republic we once though briefly were..!

This election is shaping up as another fraud as far as I am concerned.­.

Simple as that..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 09/04/2007
Page: 1 2 3 Next › Last » (3 pages total)
Comments are closed for this entry

 You must be logged in to comment. Log in  or connect with 

Connect