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Frustration Over Iraq Could Lead to Dem Primary Challenges

September 7, 2007 11:01 AM


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Anti-war forces, angered over Congressional failure to bring an end to the Iraq war, are gearing up to run primary challenges against Democratic incumbents who support the Bush administration.

Frustration with the Democratic leadership of the House and Senate reached new heights with the appearance of stories describing Democrats' growing willingness to compromise on Iraq legislation, including "Democrats Retreat On War End" in The Politico and "Democrats Newly Willing to Compromise on Iraq" in the New York Times.

MoveOn, which spent a total of $28.1 million in the 2005-6 election cycle, sent out a survey to its 3.3 million members noting:

"Hundreds of thousands of us worked to get Democratic majorities elected. So why don't they have the votes? One reason is that there are a set of weak Democrats who side with the president--especially on Iraq. They're too scared to fight for what's right and what they were elected to fight for.

"This fall, we face a pivotal series of votes on Iraq--votes that, if we win, could spell the end of the Iraq war. MoveOn members have made phone calls. We've held town meetings. We've run ads and written letters to the editor. But now, given this big moment, we have an important decision to make together."

The email, signed by "Nita, Eli, Justin, Jennifer and the MoveOn.org Political Action Team," posed the following question:

"Should we support primary challengers against some Democrats?.... It's a tough question, and one we need everybody's input on." Members were given a link where they were asked not only whether they would support Democratic primary challengers, but whether they would be willing to give money to such a campaign, and how much

A House Democratic leadership aide told the Huffington Post, "We understand their frustration, but we need to elect more Democrats in order to affect real change on Iraq." Another top Democratic leadership aide said, "What in the world are they thinking? All this is going to do is increase the possibility of electing more Republicans. Instead of going after Democrats, they should be focusing their efforts on pressuring Republicans to break with the president.

In private, many in the House and Senate leadership contend that if more liberal candidates defeat incumbent conservative and centrist Democrats in primaries, many of them representing Southern and Midwestern constituencies, the chances of a Republican victory in the general election sharply increase.

The MoveOn survey comes on the heels of the anti-"Bush Dog" campaign on the Open Left website created by Chris Bowers, Matt Stoller and Mike Lux.

The "Bush Dogs" -- a play on the "Blue Dog" Democrats, a caucus of center-conservative Democrats -- is made up of the 39 House Democrats who voted on May 24 in favor of the Iraq emergency supplemental appropriation and on August 4 in favor of the "Protect America Act" expanding the administration's power to use warrantless wiretaps.

Stoller described the Bush Dogs as "Southern white dudes." He argued that "these members are not voting their districts, they are just conservatives....Bush Dog Democrats are dragging down the rest of the party. According to Zogby, 80% of Democrats disapprove of the job that Congress is doing."

Bowers suggested that Bush Dog Dan Lipinski (D-Ill.) is an ideal candidate to target in a primary challenge.

Lipinski's district is overwhelmingly Democratic, with 59 percent support for John Kerry, "in absolutely no danger of falling into Republican hands;" Lipinski is "staunchly anti-choice;" and "he also is below average for a Democrat on immigration, gets a big fat zero from Progressive Punch on GLBT issues, and only a 50 percent score from the Drum Major Institute on progressive family issues. Basically, he sucks at just about everything."

An anti-war challenger strategy poses both risks and rewards.

Many members of Congress, including some adamantly opposed to the war, argue that primary challenges improve prospects for Republicans in the general election, and threaten defections from swing voters worried that liberal interest groups have excessive influence in the Democratic Party.

Conversely, proponents argue it could boost the energy and commitment of activists who helped produce the 2006 election successes; pressure Democratic incumbents to cast anti-war votes; and, in the long run, prove that a Democratic-led Congress can take on a Republican administration.

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Im giving my whole paycheck to Move on for this one. I say throw BushDems out on their asses,including Pelosi and her little dog Reid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 09/10/2007

What has LIE-berman holding over REID and PELOSI, he whines and they arey here to sooth his RUFFLED FETHERS, LIE-berman is a yellow belly CHICKENHAWK COWARD, and Reid and Pelosi is alwayes sucking up to him.It makes me sick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 09/09/2007

Democrats....brace yourself for the most violent and angriest Convention....EVER


if they cave in September

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 09/09/2007

I doubt alternative Democrat challengers will need to be recruited...the FURY a Democrat Cheney Sympathiser will face, I doubt they'd be able to walk freely around their District to campaign.

EVERY Repig up for election in 08....you are EXTINCT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 09/09/2007

Bush Dog democrats is good, but I prefer a more encompassing phrase which applies to both Republicans and Democrats up for election in 08

"Cheney Sympathisers"

I don't give a sh*t how old a friend a Democrat has been, they fail to END THIS War, THIS Congress, THIS year....you are GONE in 08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 09/09/2007

Let's see, how well has the GOP done, 200-2007?

The third leading cause of death in American girls ages 10-14 is suicide. The rate of girl suicide in this age group increased a whopping 76% during the GOP tenure. Yes it does matter who is legislating and who is signing legislation into law. It matters who it is that will have the power and authority of the President to execute and sign Executive Orders.

And I just don't see anyone of the caliber America needs today, now, in the Presidential '08 race. We are not a bunch of special interest groups. We need unification, not diversification.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 09/08/2007

Lou Dobbs for '08. Harvard, 1967, Economics. Has the brains, integrity, courage, and dedication for the job. There is not one candidate (short of Gravel) running in the Democratic primary of the caliber requisite to lead this nation after two self appointed terms of corporate fascism and elite globalization run rampant. At least Lou knows how to create jobs in America for Americans and what it means to respect and honor national borders and sovereignty.

This country has been allowed to be hollowed out by the Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum non-regulation parties we have been set back to the twenties and thirties... do you get it? This country has been sold off at the auction block....not bad enough the entire Iraq debachle and disasterous foreign policy of this Administration: we have Mad Cow Disease due to ag business people intentionally cannibalizing their cattle after being told by the gov't to stop; our honey bees are endangered and are being wiped out to 'free trade'; colonization of US honey bee hives for the first time allowed since 1922, with bees afflicted with the Israeli bee virus from Australia! We aren't allowed to even know where our food is from anymore...it is all 'mixed up'...malfeasance, misfeasance, etc are rampant...it is a massive failure of character left to run rampant...they are so strong and powerful that only by acting as one empowered entity can hope to begin to change direction as we see the cliff in front of us.....
It reminds me of the Three Little Pigs bedtime story when I was a child...folks, our 'roofs' are made of straw and paper....it is our responsibility to turn the tide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 09/08/2007

If any prowar bastard expects me to vote for him merely because he is a "Democrat" he has another think coming: I'd vote to hang the shit. There were traitorous Democrats giving blind support to such causes before the Republicans were taken over. Damn them all. I don't care about parties; I care about humanity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 09/08/2007

Is anyone interested in compiling & updating a PROGRESSIVE'S COMPENDIUM OF APPROPRIATE QUESTIONS & APPROPRIATE DESIGNATIONS for the use of those responding to TROLL'S LIST OF LOADED QUESTIONS, PEJORATIVE TERMS & STYLESHEET, REV? Adding an appendix: KEY TO RESPONDING TO TROLL'S LIST OF LOADED QUESTIONS, PEJORATIVE TERMS & STYLESHEET, REV would be useful & so would another appendix of a true updated copy of TROLL'S LIST OF LOADED QUESTIONS, PEJORATIVE TERMS & STYLESHEET, REV, with concordance(es), KWIC & KWOC indicies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 09/08/2007

The "enemy within" the Democratic caucus in the House consists of 39 or so Blue Dog Bush-Lite Vichy "Dems". Since the Dems control Rules (when, how, and if a bill comes to a vote on the floor), all they have to do is refuse to let Bush's military spending bill out of committee. No floor vote is needed. Period. Pelosi is counting on the ignorance of the American people (and it is considerable) about how the House works.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 09/08/2007

I live in San Francisco, Nancy Pelosi's district, and I will tell you this. Cindy Sheehan please run. No offense Nancy but it is time to put up the results you were elected to secure or get out of Dodge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 09/08/2007

Everyone knows the 60/67 seat issue is just BS put out by the Dem leadership to justify supporting the war. Following out that scenario, it would require electing 67 Democratic Senators in order for the Dems to do anything in the event of a Republican President. Also, with the Dems controlling both Houses, there simply is no excuse for giving Bush the exact funding for which he asks. It takes a majority to keep the war going and a majority to determine the amount of funding and how that funding will be spent. That means the Dems could have stopped this war and chose not to.

Where I have a serious problem is that Tester, McCaskill, Cardin, Casey and Webb, all of whom were swept into office on an anti-war tide, voted to fund the surge without restriction, just as those Republicans whom they defeated would have voted. Several of them also voted for the Trash Civil Liberties 2 Act. So simply electing Democrats, even if there were 67 of them (which is highly improbable) does not mean the war will end.

That leaves the moveon strategy. They are absolute right. Take all pro-war, anti-civil liberties incumbents out of office in the Democratic primaries. As they are going to vote for the war and to trash civil liberties if they win, it doesn't matter if a Republican wins that seat. More likely, however, is that anti-war, pro-civil liberties Democrats will get elected in many districts so that a Democratic majority will actually mean an end to the war and a reversal of the Trash Civil Liberties Act (Patriot Act), the Right to Torture Act (Military Commissions Act) and the Trash Civil Liberties Act 2 (Protect America Act).

It also makes sense to run anti-war, pro-civil liberties candidates in Republican primaries also. Judging from the response Ron Paul is getting, there's some significant support for his anti-war positions. Paul's anti-government garbage is BS and unsupportable, but is possible to find anti-war, pro civil liberties Republicans who are pro-government

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 09/08/2007

Well said. Thanks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 09/08/2007
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I was listening to Bernie Ward the other night ( KGO San Fran ) and he gave Pellosi and the dems quite a thumping , for instance, she hasn't had a town hall meeting with her constituents for over 2 years, and she won't come on his show. Bernie is a gentleman in my opinion, her telling him to fuck off tells me a lot about her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 09/08/2007

Why are you folks wasting your time here speculating about eating your Democrat children? The war is the issue and the election is more than a year away.

Your political problem is how to change the voting choices of properly elected Republican senators during the next few weeks. They will break with Bush, but they need a reason.

The last Republican disaster ended because the Mall was full of angry people day after day. Republican senators looked at that and reacted by pulling the rug out from under their own president.

You are hiding out in this virtual teapot and Bush doesn't have to care. Take it to the street! Make your anger real!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 09/08/2007

Sept, 15 is the day. Washington DC is the place.

http://impeachbush.org

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 09/08/2007

AMEN! If we need to clean the party up than now is as good a time as any. END THE WAR-PROTECT THE BORDERS-STOP UNFAIR TRADE AGREEMENTS-FORCE CHINA TO COMPLY WITH LAW OR DEAL ELSEWHERE-REGULATE CORPORATIONS AND FORCE THEM TO BE LIABLE FOR THE PRODUCTS THEY IMPORT, or GET OUT OF OFFICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 09/08/2007
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