Edwards Smacks Obama As "Kumbaya" Candidate

The New Yorker   |   September 11, 2007 12:44 PM


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Edwards presents not only an ideological challenge to Clintonism but a tactical one as well. Describing the difference between him and Hillary, he said, simply, "She is the status quo and I am change." Edwards, who was the first candidate this year to present a detailed universal-health-care proposal, argued that Clinton learned the wrong lesson from her policy defeat. "For me, the lesson of the Clinton health-care experience is you can't compromise and negotiate with these people who stand between us and change--insurance companies, drug companies, lobbyists. I think she's got just the opposite conclusion. Or, at least, the way she responds seems to be an opposite conclusion: that the way to bring about change is you have to work with these people." He went on, "That's what we saw happen in the nineteen-nineties. And I think now we're going to have to actually take them on in a serious way, with the backing of the American people, and beat them."

Edwards dismisses Obama's argument that more consensus is needed in Washington. The difference between them, Edwards told me, is the difference between "Kumbaya" and "saying, 'This is a battle. It's a fight.' " When I asked whether he's a populist, he lifted a riff from his stump speech: "If it means you're willing to stand up for ordinary people, the kind of people that I grew up with, against very powerful, entrenched interests, then yes, I am a populist."

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- CarmanK I'm a Fan of CarmanK 40 fans permalink

As for me I am concerned about the USA. Our constitutional democracy is at risk: imperial presidency, trade deficits, lost jobs, lowered standard of living for the middle class and 1% of Americans control an equivalent wealth of 100 million of the people.
I like Obama, but at a meeting of LaRaza-he said that the illegal immigration issue was based on racism. Does that mean, that during his presidency, there can be no honest debate without "racism" being trumped out-that's no better than Bush's fearmongering.

I like Hillary, but I am concerned about my neighbors willingness to vote for a woman. She is smart and savvy, but I am concerned about NAFTA and its impact on my Grandchildren's future. Many of the lousey trade agreements orchestrated by the Bush administration have been negotiated by women. The trade agreements have been uniformly weighted in favor of foreign countries at the expens of US taxpayers, workers and manufacturers.

John Edwards is a good man, he seems unimpressed by the "silk-suited Captains of industry" who built their fortunes and businesses on the backs of Americans and since greed is unquenchable, have no compunction to demand more for less. John will issues that are important to the "common good", enforce laws sensibly and equitably and respect the constitution of the US.

I like the Dems: Biden, Dodd and Kucinich.
I want a Democrat in the General Election who will beat the Republican candidate.

My country is in peril. This young democracy is on a cusp. It will either restore the purpose of government to serve and protect the commons or continue its decline into greed and hegemony.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 09/12/2007
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Ironic that Edwards, an opponent of single-payer, would insist that "you can't compromise and negotiate with these people who stand between us and change--insurance companies, drug companies, lobbyists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 09/12/2007
- RusStyles I'm a Fan of RusStyles 22 fans permalink

Who ever said Edwards Kum metaphor was racist? It might be dripping with sarcasm, but not racism, and I'm no Edwards fan. I'll take a bridge-maker over a confrontationist anytime. Barack will address the key problems, and construct or broker a strategy based on a win-win philosophy. We're not going to bully repubs into dancing to a lib beat...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 09/11/2007

Rus, you know I wouldn't put this kumbaya is racist rant past any supporters of any of the candidates. I'm an Obama supporter and to me it appears to have taken the focus off the real issues at hand. Beware, the republicans are a devious and dispicable bunch who would love to distract us from the real issues of the day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 09/12/2007

Another week, another hatchet job on Edwards.

This post is a lesson on how to get a hatchet job going by creating a title that implies racism and distorts the actual statements.

I swear, I see this over and over on this site. It's dishonest and the context taken is utter bullshit.

I know the song and grew up on this song (and yes I happen to be white, not that it matters) and I challenge anyone with a brain to READ the entire passage to see that this stories title is nothing more that a half-assed hit job....

And for the record, I like both Edwards and Obama however in this circumstance I agree completely with John Edwards.

For gods sake it's time for the Democrats to have the courage of their conviction and stand up to the GOP. At least be willing to fight for what we Democrats believe in.

I'm sure the 70% of Americans that agree with our policies won't mind.

Jim

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 09/11/2007

Rus, you know I wouldn't put this kumbaya is racist rant past any supporters of any of the candidates. I'm an Obama supporter and to me it appears to have taken the focus off the real issues at hand. Beware, the republicans are a devious and dispicable bunch who would love to distract us from the real issues of the day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 09/12/2007
- Zhonni I'm a Fan of Zhonni 15 fans permalink
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I am an ardent supporter of Obama, but I want to come to Edwards defense here. I think the racial overtone of a lot of the comments is much ado about nothing.

I believe Sen. Edwards was refering to Obama's bipartisan record or his willigness to work with republicans to get things done.

I believe Edwards arguement is that Democrats need be a little more confrontational as opposed to reconciliatory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 09/11/2007

Another Obama supporter that agrees with you. John Edwards will not win but he has every right to miscatagorize Senator Obama. He wrong on a lot of other issues so one more makes no difference. It's not a racist comment in my opinion it's just his misguided opinion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 09/12/2007
- MPeter I'm a Fan of MPeter 25 fans permalink

Edwards knows his jig is up. he has virtual set up home in Iowa since he was on the losing ticket the last time but he has not moved much. he claims to be a populist to care for the poor and the marginalized but a close look has exposed him as a phony...fr­om the neferious organization he set up to raise funds to deal with poverty that he ended up spending on himself, to retending to share the pain of the poor while he sleeps in a millionaires mansion and justifying $400-haircuts, to using his sick wife as an attack dog to now this? Edwards has nothing on Senator Obama. What does Edwards know about the world beyond his state and the courts where he spent his life fighting insurance companies? Edwards just wanted to make himself relevant, get his name in the media. You do so by either attacking or riding the cocktails of Senator Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 09/11/2007

Keep with the right wing talking points, you've covered them all.

He lets his wife speak her mind, crazy isn't that in the 21st century.

Where has he slept in a millionairs mansion? You mean the house he built for himself and his family from money he EARNED. I don't hear anyone talking about Romney's hosue. ANd when did being rich mean you can't help the poor? Does that mean as a white female, I can't care about racism? I'm straight, I can't care about Homophobia? This is such a ridiculous argument.

He was asked a question, he is not riding any coattails. He was in the senate before Obama and he was actually considered to be a running mate for Al Gore in 2000.

He is a legitimate candidate on his own and he has every right to state that working with Republicans has not gotten us very far, they have done nothing but obstruct and defy what the American people want. Why should we put up with it?

Go back to watching Hanniyt's America while drinking your Koolaid from your O'Reilly coffee mug.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 09/11/2007

You just don't get it do you? None of them have been working together. This fighting crap is code for don't worry we wont get anything accomplish. You can applaud bravado all day long but if that's all you want vote for clinton or edwards. I'm ready for a different strategy that's why I'm voting for Senator Obama

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 09/12/2007

Kumbaya people! I'm a 49 year old, white, male hippie that's not naive.
You can catch a lot more flies with honey than with vinegar. Slash & Burn politics have gotten us where?
Senator Obama said he will give the lobbyists a seat at the table, but that's it. I trust him. I think he is a lot tougher (read shrewd) than people are giving him credit for. He will do what is best for the country.
Now, I could see John Edwards as Attorney General, where we REALLY need someone to FIGHT for the Constitution.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Gra & Gaire

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 09/11/2007
- Ginzaman I'm a Fan of Ginzaman 12 fans permalink

If he can get past being a mega millionaire who's a professional politician, then he MIGHT have a chance. Then again, anyone who mysteriously loses track of almost 50% of his huge portfolio makes me a little nervous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 09/11/2007
- Grulg I'm a Fan of Grulg 6 fans permalink

Well, Edwards has gotta do whatever flailing around he's gotta do. Going after Hilary alone isn't cutting it, so-might as well take on Barack and go from there.

It's kinda sad, really-Edwards is a decent candidate but looks more like a decent governor or whatever than anything else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 09/11/2007

I don't believe Edwards is a racist, but i do believe he and Elizabeth are desperate at this point. They have a pattern of saying things in this campaign that are right on the edge ! Remember, Edwards saying that he is the only electable candidate of the three. A subtle reference to race and gender, then came Elizabeth saying the Edwards cant be a woman or black to get attention in the race.Then came his announcement after that he didn't want votes who were racists or sexist. He is desperate. I would have more respect if he was the same Edwards as last time. He is trying to be the Dean of this race and he is not authentic. Sad to say. But it is true. This "Kumbaya'is just the latest, more will come. Especially if his fund raising is as sad as it was last time, remember Richardson was just a million or two shy of him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 09/11/2007

You mean speaking their minds? Telling it as they see it? I think this points to the fact that they care, they care a lot. There is no desperation, they are running their campaign as they see fit without regard for the status quo or polls.

That is a change in my mind and anything but desperation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 09/11/2007

does anyone actually read the whole article? huffpost has posted some crap regarding edwards. are they scared of him also? why?

peace,
djsquared

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 09/11/2007

Edwards told me, is the difference between "Kumbaya" and "saying, 'This is a battle. It's a fight.' "

Where does he call Obama ANYTHING? He's saying we have to fight the status quo, it's not going to change without us digging our heels. And he's right, Hillary proves that with her attempt to change Health Care in the early nineties and Clinton compromising with "Don't ask, Don't tell". Nafta?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 09/11/2007
- rssrai I'm a Fan of rssrai 14 fans permalink

I think the title of this news article is a misreprensentation of what Edwards really said. He did not call Obama the Kumbaya candidate. Where in the article did he say this? I demand that this title caption be changed and to quit smearing JRE. Huffpo are liars and are distorting the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 09/11/2007

I actually agree with you. Not that I would vote for Edwards, I support Senator Obama, but to try to claim that he intended to make a racial slur about him is a reach as far as I'm concern. What I dissagree with him on is his characterization of this movement as Kumbaya. To that I'll say just watch and see how bruising our count down to change effort will be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 09/11/2007

This is such a bizarre conversation. I've never even heard of Kumbaya being a racial slur. Who claims that it is? Do you have any supporting information to back that up? I took the remark that Edwards thinks Obama is too easygoing in his willingness to work with Republicans. By what logic do you infer that it is racist?

I'm speaking to Chocolate 2008.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 09/11/2007
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Don't bother, mpeachhead. Chocolate's mind is made up and closed like a steel trap.

Someone with a screen name like that is so superficial they can't see beyond skin tone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 09/11/2007
- RusStyles I'm a Fan of RusStyles 22 fans permalink

If you, Edwards or anybody else thinks the best MO is to start a major fight with the deeeeep pockets of pharma and insurnace congloms..­.Well, that's a still-born proposition. Au contriare, it will require deft negotiations (give and take)to effect measureable change in this arena. Digging your heels in and wagging fingers ain't gonna get it done. Hillary understands this very well, as do Barack. JE is clearly grasping, but disparaging Obama will not win him any votes. In fact, he may lose some of the paltry he has.

He needs to explain exactly HOW he's going to fight these mega-corps to get them to change their modus o., instead of taking cheap shots at Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 09/11/2007
- wijg I'm a Fan of wijg 36 fans permalink
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Here is what Edwards said, and if you still want to claim he took a cheap shot at Obama you're not being honest. It's fine if you are an Obama supporter, but stop making shit up.

...Edwards dismisses Obama’s argument that more consensus is needed in Washington. The difference between them, Edwards told me, is the difference between “Kumbaya” and “saying, ‘This is a battle. It’s a fight.’”

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 09/11/2007
- RusStyles I'm a Fan of RusStyles 22 fans permalink

In other words, you need to "fight", like a tough trial lawyer, in order to effect change. and what does he base this premise on? His lawsuit victories.

Yea, I think it was an unnecessary, inappropriate metaphor; used to try to portray Obama as too soft to effect change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 09/11/2007
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