London Surpasses Tokyo As Most Expensive City For Dining Out

Bloomberg   |  Richard Vines   |   September 13, 2007 10:02 AM


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London has overtaken Tokyo as the most expensive city in the world for dining out, with a meal now costing more than twice as much as in New York, according to Tim Zagat, whose guide to London restaurants is published today.

Dinner for one with a single drink in the U.K. capital costs 39.09 pounds ($79.44), compared with 35.10 pounds in Tokyo, which has slipped behind Paris, at 35.37 pounds. Meals in New York and Los Angeles cost 19.30 pounds and 15.63 pounds, respectively.

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"Dining out" has always been expensive in London. When I lived there in the 1980s and 90s, most people just didn't eat out much. Now there are a lot of trendy restaurants that attract all the people with too much money. New York has all those places too.

If regular people do go out, it's usually to the curry house or pizza joint or cafe. I'll bet they don't include those kinds of places in this calculation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 09/14/2007
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I paid $50.00 for forgettable pork chops with mint sauce and rather bland potatoes in London 12 years ago. I'm surprised it took 12 years for the place to surpass Tokyo. Fortunately, if I want good food London is about the last place I'd head. I like Britain and the British but their food is pretty awful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 09/13/2007

No one has mentioned gratuities - what really chaps me is that some (most?) waiters expect that 20% whether the service is good, bad, or indifferent. On a 100-pound dinner, that's 40 bucks, more than you'll pay for a great steak dinner at most U.S. restaurants. Something to think about when that Brit waiter forgets your drink order...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 09/13/2007
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I was just in London, and amazingly, I disagree completely with this.

What should really be counted is the number of "affordable" restaurants -- say, where one person can have a modest, but tasty and satisfying lunch lunch, in clean surroundings, for under US $20.00.

If that's the metric, you'll see that London greatly beats NYC. There is no comparison. London is chockablock with pleasant, clean, affordable, and imaginative restaurants on every city block, in every neighborhood.

And this is even true when you take into account that the dollar is at an all-time low against the pound.

Whereas in NYC, what you have is "the high and the low" -- either exclusive, overpriced, trendy restaurants filled with snobby Yuppies, or greasy, dirty pizza joints staffed by Guatemalans posing as Sicilians. There is very little "in-between".

I want to know what biased hypocrite American jingoist came up with this study, and how they managed to skew the results against London.

I haven't been to Tokyo, so I can't opine about that, but I do know that NYC absolutely sucks when it comes to offering a variety of clean, pleasant, AFFORDABLE restaurants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 09/13/2007

What'll ya have mate? Fish n' Chippies, some curry or blood puddin'?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 09/13/2007

London has always been expensive, but like most other countries, it has become VERY expensive for Americans due to the continuously falling value of the US Dollar. I live in America, and am having to cut down on what I spend at home so I can still afford to enjoy my annual 2 weeks vacation in the U.K.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 09/13/2007
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It's only expensive if you require something that tastes good.

For the life of me, I can't figure out how the Brits can be 17 miles from France and can't figure out how to make anything worth eating. 17 miles away, they make things not worth eating into delicacies.

Before you rag me, I lived in England for 6 years.

OBTW, they can't make a warm house, either, after 2000+ years on that cold, rainy rock.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 09/13/2007


If prices are high, that would seem to say that employees are paid well, and that's a good thing.

Restaurants in the US are comparatively cheap because we have illegal immigrants who work for almost nothing in every restaurant kitchen.

Expensive restaurants vs. permanent underclass of people: which do you prefer?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 09/13/2007

FYI, there are masses of eastern Europeans in Britain now who also work for peanuts and are living under the radar. Some are quite exploited. There have been tons of illegals working in the pubs and restaurants for years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 09/14/2007

I've been to Europe many times, but I went to London only once. I found it uninteresting and ridiculously overpriced. I guess a lot of US tourists only feel comfortable in English-speaking countries, so maybe that's the draw, but there are so many more interesting places in the world. Try New Zealand or Australia if you must speak English.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 09/13/2007

If people want to go to a European city where people speak English, go to Dublin. I went there in the late 1990's and had a blast!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 09/13/2007

I live in a very European, very British city on the Pacific Ocean, it's cheaper than London and only a few hours flight from California (and an easy drive+ferry from WA.) Tourism is our main industry and you will find everything from world-class hotels to cozy B&Bs and lots of excursions to the natural wonders of Vancouver Island by bike, car (lots of 4x4s for rental, best way to go around the island), sailboat, motorboat or even helicopter.

Give Victoria a chance (I mean Victoria, BC, Canada, not the Australian province ;) ), you'll love it. :)

PS. My mom is a travel agent, I try to help her as much as I can... ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 09/13/2007

Damn it Amanda, if you keep advertising BC these Yanks will see that it's the most beautiful place on the planet and we'll never, ever get rid of them. SHEESH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 09/13/2007

London is not only overpriced for resturants. its overpriced for housing, entertainment (theatres, music concerts), public transport, it is also the second most expensive city in the world for food.

The average price of a two bed in London is approximately half a million dollars.

Yeah it is joke how expensive this city is. The government needs to start regulating the real estate industry and PLEASE don't vote Ken Livingstone for mayor again (he's incompetent).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 09/13/2007

Real estate is comparable to NYC. (I've seen studio apartments in new buildings downtown going for $800K!)
I lived there when Ken was referred to as "Red Ken" because of his super-left leaning views. Funny how times have changed. London is ridiculously expensive. The gas and public transportation prices are insane. Great city though. I always have the best time when I'm there.
On the plus side, they have electric cars and anyone who drives them, doesn't have to pay road tax. I think they're exempt from the commuter tax as well. London is aiming to be one of the greenest cities in Europe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 09/13/2007

The high costs of food and lodging are one of the main reasons we pretty much avoid London and usually get a self-catering facility somewhere else in the UK. A week of self-catering is usually cheaper than a few days in London, and everybody gets his or her own room to boot. None of the overpriced hotels with twin beds crammed together military style into what used to be a closet, and we can shop and do our own cooking and laundry and live right in town and take day trips from our "own" little cottage or apartment.

We are not "canned tour" people--would WAY rather live in a town with the regular people than spend 2 or 3 weeks on a bus full of other tourists and/or pay 500 bucks a night to listen to people gripe on a hotel elevator about high prices. It is even possible off-season to rent some facilities for 'short breaks' of 3 weekend days or 4 weekdays.

But if one is in London and doesn't want to have to file for bankrupcy, there is always take-out from Sainsbury's and other supermarkets. There was one right off of the Cromwell Road that had fantastic things that could be dragged back to one's tiny overpriced cell in Earl's Court and consumed without heating or chilling first (this was 4 years ago). Soft German bluecheese spread on wonderful Irish crackers and fruit salad with huge raspberries and gooseberries (and lots of other delicious stuff), wonderfulo cold chicken--stuff like that. I hope the place is still there next trip. (I heard a rumor that some other company is trying to buy out Sainsbury's, and I know that the results won't be as good as they are now).

I won't pay 40 US bucks for a pizza no matter how good it may be.


Another good idea for London and elsewhere is to eat lunch in a pub...some have very good sandwiches and salads and the prices are usually reasonable and the atmosphere can be a lot of fun.




    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 09/13/2007

So?
How is this relevant?
The vast majority of readers here will never go to London,let alone order take-out there.

Slow day?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 09/13/2007

If you don't like reading stuff like this, then don't! No one's twisting your arm!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 09/13/2007

How sad if what you say is true! Seems to me that the US is the only country where people actually brag about vacationing in junk places like Vegas and Branson when, for the same amount of money or even less, they could be seeing the world.

It is very possible to travel without behaving even temporarily like a multi-millionaire. The people who live and work in London find affordable places to eat where the food is good. For gawdssakes, when you get hungry, just ask somebody in the neighborhood or look for a crowded place. If at a b&b or some hotels, take advantage of the huge (price-included breakfasts), then eat a late lunch in a pub and get a take-out dinner.

We aren't deliberately mingy, but we would rather have three or four or even five modest trips in which we live like the Brits than one big splurge at Clairidge's that is supposed to last for a lifetime of memories.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 09/13/2007

Nonsense, just come to my house and I will be happy to gouge you like you have never been gouged before.. and I am a fantastic cook too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 09/13/2007



IT IS TRUE THAT LONDON IS PRICEY...

THE REAL PROBLEM IS THE FOOD...

SAME OLD BRIT SLOP...

AH, WITH A NOUVELLE CUISINE TWIST... BUT SLOP NONETHELESS...

whatever it is... in pudding form... and warm beer! Ah the degenerates!

THE BRITSHITS ARE NOT EUROPEANS... THEY'RE ATLANTISTS, AMERICANS REALLY... JUST ABOUT AS OBESE AND STUPID AND WHITE AND DOUGHY AND...

WELL, YOU GET MY DRIFT.

SAME PERSPECTIVE ON WAR AND FOOD AND... WELL EVERYTHING... AS ameriKKKans...

both needing to be vaporized off the surface of the earth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 09/13/2007
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