Preview: Hillary To Debut "Sweeping Change" Health Care Plans

Wall Street Journal:

Thirteen years after Hillary Rodham Clinton's plan for health care went down to disastrous defeat, she is back with a new proposal that again seeks to cover all Americans but reflects some lessons learned.

The Democratic presidential candidate is set to unveil her new approach in Iowa Monday, and she will include a requirement that everyone get health insurance. A big difference from last time: She's proposing to build on the existing system of insuring Americans -- a mix of private coverage and government-subsidized care -- not remake it altogether.

Still, Mrs. Clinton's plan, described by people familiar with it, would involve sweeping change. It would create new federal subsidies to aid those who couldn't afford the required health coverage. And it would impose new mandates on large employers to provide health coverage or help pay for it.

Read the whole story: Wall Street Journal

Comments

[kmccaskill]

03:42 AM on 09/17/2007

Does Experience Matter? (Clinton and JFK didn't think so)

This Video Is Showing That Obama can be president because two fmr presidents were
where he is right now, history proves experience makes an either worse president( nixon, bush, vp dick cheney, defense sec.rumsfeld)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBy3AKn_2Fk

[dcazal01]

01:43 AM on 09/17/2007

"Let's kick Hillary and her phony DINOs out of the party"

We democrats do not kick people out of our big tent that is for republicans.

[nippersdad]

02:29 AM on 09/17/2007

It seems to me that inviting a lot of Republicans into the Party is the reason that we are not out of Iraq yet. I personally think we need a bouncer.

[dcazal01]

01:41 AM on 09/17/2007

Looking at the ideological mess in both the right and the left Hillary's pragmatic flip flop whatever works approach seems to be the right way to go.

[dcazal01]

01:22 AM on 09/17/2007

It seems that all other democratic candidates have accepted the fact that she is going to be the nominee. If you read between lines you perceive that none wants to attack her anymore she has been 20% ahead for 7 months in all polls things are not going to change dramatically in 3 month after a saturated campaign. Once she got the nomination and republicans start attacking her there is not going to be no more dynasty chat we will rally behind her and get emotional to have at last after 200 years a woman president.

[vegasobserver]

01:12 AM on 09/17/2007

This farce is a far cry from what she originally set out to do in 1992. "Individual mandates" is a burden on the working poor and the young, NOT real universal health care.

This will be a policy flop and a disaster, and may sink her campaign. In fact this is such a bad idea, and a slap in the face to the American people, that I am will now donate to the Kucinich campaign, and support Dennis for President.

Kucinich is the only one in the field who wants to give us what we really need: true, universal, single-payer health care coverage, for every American, without additional burdens and phony "tax credits" for taxpayers.

Hillary is all about bait-and-switch, corporatism, and triangulation. Let's kick Hillary and her phony DINOs out of the party!

[godlessclif]

03:17 AM on 09/17/2007

The tax credit health care is Bill Richardson's scam. Some Repug candidates also support it.

A tax credit will pay for health insurance if you are in the 35 percent bracket which means you make six figures. It is some help for the rich.
The people without health insurance pay 10 percent or 15 percent.
They can't even itemize deductions to get anything. Just ask H&R Block. Itemizing in the 10 percent or 15 percent bracket is nuts.

[meandmagoo]

11:54 PM on 09/16/2007

My monkey endorse sex with my dog,but that doesn't mean I'm impressed with the little fucker.

[thegreatgiginthesky]

06:48 PM on 09/16/2007

1. Get the army out of Iraq and stop spending billions on fixing Iraq. Spend that money on America.

2. Stop doing trade with China. Apparently the saying "You get what you paid for" applies to junk we get from the Chinese.

3. Universal Healthcare. It is absurd that we are willing to spend 12 billion a month in Iraq but will not spend a fraction of that to provide our Citizens universal healthcare.

4. Seal the southern border. No more illegal immigration.

[plutorage]

07:54 PM on 09/16/2007

the greatgiginthesky,

Funny how well over half the people in the USA would agree wholeheartedly with your four points. So why are they not accomplished??

Page one of Week in Review in the NYTimes today bore this caption:

"The lessons of ___ (fill in blank with 4 digit number): Everyone wants a change, but that doesn't mean it will happen."

Did you guess the 4 digit number was 2006, as in the year we elected dems to stop Iraq madness??

You'd be wrong.Correct answer: "1993". As in the year of Hilarycare.

Suppose you ask the population the following question:

Do you prefer

A) system where the insured pay 100% of the health costs of the uninsured and premium payments are voluntary

or

B) system where the insured pay 100% of the health costs of the uninsured and everybody pays premiums


Another way of asking same question:

Do you prefer a system where:

A) Providing health care to all is mandatory and premium payments are voluntary

B)Providing health care to all is mandatory and premium payments are mandatory


Ask yourself why nothing ever gets done as Hilary unveils her "Healthcare plan" tomorrow.

Notice how the words become twisted. Premiums become "new taxes", etc. Who are they twisting the words for?? Not the great unwashed masses. Answer: The corporations. Notice how the Wall Street Journal reports that Edward's plan is the most "liberal" and that he rails against insurance companies. Actually Edward's plan increases the premiums to insurance companies.

It is all one lie after another - "Everyone wants change but that doesn't mean it is going to happen" NY Times , Sunday, Sept 16, 2007

[godlessclif]

03:06 AM on 09/17/2007

I support universal free health care paid for with the peace dividend. To get that you ahve to vote for Kucinich, not Hillary.

[godlessclif]

06:38 PM on 09/16/2007

The Democratic presidential candidate is set to unveil her new approach in Iowa Monday, and she will include a requirement that everyone get health insurance.

So the new plan is that everyone be forced to buy
the overpriced healthcare insurance, even people who can't afford it. People now who go without healthcare to send their kids to college will not be allowed that option by Hillary. The insurance company needs the money.

And will Hillary force the insurance companies to pay benefits and not deny coverage. Why should they, the suckers have to keep buying it, by force of law, whether the company provides benefits or not.

Hillary should take a course in Economics.

[godlessclif]

06:40 PM on 09/16/2007

That plan is actually worse than the Bush plan of no insurance. That is the first reason this year I have seen to vote Republican, to keep Hillary's compulsory insurance screw job away from my family. Hillary is worse than Bush on health care, and Bush is doing nothing.

[godlessclif]

06:30 PM on 09/16/2007

I though this was the Hillary Care thread. Is there any change in Hillary Care since the Laberynthian pork flowchart of 1992?

[godlessclif]

06:27 PM on 09/16/2007

Blackwater will protect them. Most of them work for Haliburton anyway.

[poopdeck]

12:49 PM on 09/16/2007

I favor the withdrawal of troops from Iraq but your plan is a prescription for certain disaster. There are at least 200,000 U.S. civilians working in Iraq today. If you become president and on your first day in the White House you do not order and assist in their speedy evacuation from Iraq BEFORE any troops leave, an increasing number of killed U.S. civilians will begin to dangle from bridges across the Tigris and Euphrates not only in Fallujah and Baghdad but in other Iraqi cities as well. The American public will be denouncing you and rightly demand your impeachment. You, President Clinton will have to halt the withdrawal of troops or, worse, send the army right back in. Your plan as it stands now is pure demagoguery

[shanghaislim]

01:26 PM on 09/16/2007

Well, that's a load of "poop"

[godlessclif]

06:34 PM on 09/16/2007

Anew pacemaker $138,000, carrying away a load of poop in a bedpan $150, single payer national health care, priceless.

[curiousasheck]

12:26 PM on 09/16/2007

Snip . . . . . .

The medical system in Amerika, Inc., is long since broken. The entire Ponzi scheme (sole purpose is to enrich the great corporations of the land) is coming down about our ears and "fixing" it will be one of the main political talking and action points of who or whatever enters the White House in the next election for Chairman of the Board. Whoever (or whatever) ends up occupying the large house on Pennsylvania Avenue (the Peoples' House -- now, there is a laugh), be assured that any solution will ultimately be a windfall for Big Pharma, Big Med, Big Government, and Big Bidness! It will be Medicare Part D writ large!

Here's a small anecdote. A friend of mine, a local Ob-Gyn doctor (slightly older than yours truly), was recently forced to retire due to a heart problem. At his retirement send-off a couple of weeks ago, he related that he had undergone a pacemaker implant in the preceding week and he invited us to guess what the bill was for that little out-patient procedure. Several of us tossed out figures that we assumed were absurd, but might be close -- $10K, $15K, $20K! Sadly, all of us were off by a considerable amount. The real invoice, sit down, $138,000!

[jkbowman]

12:14 PM on 09/16/2007

Don't be misled. The "plan" will go nowhere.

Presidential Campaign Finance Summaries
http://www.fec.gov/DisclosureSearch/mapApp.do

PAC Money: Clinton, $535,346 - Obama, $125 - Edwards, $0

[Menemshasunset]

10:33 AM on 09/16/2007

You guys are scary- Wes Clark is one of the most honorable men in public life- has an undeniable love of country and all you can do is spew venom- This isn't a baseball championship- Hillary Clinton is not evil- there is a reason that she is ahead in nearly every state and certainly the national polls- When people hear her in person they see that she is a warm, compassionate person who has been in public service her entire life-
Get the facts before you spread spin and myth- Wes Clark went to Kosovo to stop ethnic cleansing -not "target Chrisitan positions"-that is just an insane lie-

[shanghaislim]

10:45 AM on 09/16/2007

Good Post. Right On. Thanks

[thegreatgiginthesky]

11:16 AM on 09/16/2007

I agree. Hillary isn't evil. She's only viewed as evil because of all the hate spewing the right does about her. They paint her as some horrible person and yet everything she has ever done has been anything but. They blame her because of her husband's actions. She had nothing to do with that. That was Bill making an idiotic decision. As for why she never left him? I believe that is a personal matter between her and her husband. The right is trying desperately to crucify her and now they will target Clark, who like Petraus is an honorable General. Would somoene tell Cornyn to include that in his ridiculous bill? Somehow I doubt if Cornyn would consider the bashing of Wesley Clark as slander.

[VictorLudorum]

09:50 AM on 09/16/2007

The Media afore her is embittered and pulling a cart that actually is empty by now.... The Zionists Secularists Western European Philosophers and everyone against conservative norms will keep her pictures headings clothes looks meetings so on ,and Americans get nothing but free speech to comment.