Drumbeat For Attack On Iran Grows Louder

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First Posted: 09-17-07 12:36 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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The drumbeat for a military assault on Iran is getting louder at some conservative think tanks, in the offices of hawks on the Bush and Cheney staffs, and among ground forces in Iraq dealing with weapons and explosives constructed in Iran.

Administration calls for aggressive action to destroy Iran's nuclear program, and to cut off its funneling of arms and training to terrorist organizations throughout the Middle East, have featured increasingly tough rhetoric.

In his September 13 televised speech, President Bush pointedly warned of the threat from Iran:

"If we were to be driven out of Iraq,...Iran would benefit from the chaos and would be encouraged in its efforts to gain nuclear weapons and dominate the region. Extremists could control a key part of the global energy supply."

There is unanimous agreement on both sides of the ideological aisle that talk of a strike against Tehran and other sites in Iran has escalated sharply in recent weeks.

Much of the public discussion of military action is designed to serve as a trial balloon to test reaction to such proposals among Congressional leaders and other key players. The subject has, however, also become a publicly discussed issue in the Republican primary contest.

At the September 5 GOP debate in Durham, N.H., Rudy Giuliani declared:

"America has to have a clear position. The position should be that Iran is not going to be allowed to go nuclear. Senator McCain put it very well a few months ago. He said it would be very, very dangerous to take military action against Iran, but it would be even more dangerous if Iran were a nuclear power. And I think a president has to make that very clear."

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Evidence of heightened discussion of the initiation of military action against Iran is available in many places:

*In a September 3 blog post, The Weekly Standard's William Kristol, wrote:

"Why are terror training camps in Iran, camps that are directly training terrorists to attack U.S. troops, off limits? After all, if Khameini (to whom the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps reports) has already established the principle of cross-border attacks against accelerators of violence, who are we to disagree with the wisdom of the Supreme Leader?"

*On the same day, American Enterprise Institute fellow Reuel Marc Gerecht wrote in Newsweek that Iran is "a radical revolutionary force determined to sow chaos beyond its borders. Assuming that normal negotiations can bring it around is, therefore, a grave mistake. The mullahs don't want peace in Iraq--just the opposite. War may come, but not because negotiations break down. The likely trigger is an Iranian provocation.

*On September 12, FOX News reported in a story based largely on pro-war sources in the administration and allied think tanks that there is a "consensus" among administration officials that attempts to peacefully persuade Iran to abandon development of its nuclear facilities have "come up empty... Consequently, according to a well-placed Bush administration source, 'everyone in town' is now participating in a broad discussion about the costs and benefits of military action against Iran, with the likely time frame for any such course of action being over the next eight to 10 months, after the presidential primaries have probably been decided, but well before the November 2008 elections."

*The Heritage Foundation, in turn, maintains a web site titled "Iran: The Rising Threat" where the non-profit declares that it supports "a policy of aggressive diplomacy and the strongest possible economic sanctions, combined with the willingness to use force if necessary, to stave off Iran's becoming a nuclear power."

*During Senate Iraq hearings last week, Senator Joseph Lieberman asked Gen. David H. Petraeus if he had "all the authorities you need from a military point of view to deter, disrupt and respond to the Iranian attacks on our troops in Iran's efforts to destabilize Iraq?" Petraeus replied that he does have the authority he needs, while he claims that he does not have plans to go into Iran.

Lieberman, who himself does not preclude action against Iran, contended that "we have evidence that Iran is taking Iraqi extremists to three training camps outside of Tehran, training them in the use of explosives, sophisticated weapons, sending them back into Iraq, where they are responsible for the murder of American soldiers."

With the retirement of Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel, Lieberman may well find that he has a new ally in the Democratic Senate caucus after the 2008 elections: Former Nebraska Senator Bob Kerrey who is considered likely to seek regain the seat.

Kerrey is no dove on Iran. In a May 22 op-ed published in the Wall Street Journal, he wrote:

"We must not allow terrorist sanctuaries to develop any place on earth. Whether these fighters are finding refuge in Syria, Iran, Pakistan or elsewhere, we cannot afford diplomatic or political excuses to prevent us from using military force to eliminate them."

The Democratic presidential candidate who has most explicitly addressed the question of military action against Iran is Barack Obama. In a September 12 speech in Clinton, Iowa, he said:

"Iran poses a grave challenge. It builds a nuclear program, supports terrorism, and threatens Israel with destruction. But we hear eerie echoes of the run-up to the war in Iraq in the way that the President and Vice President talk about Iran.

"They conflate Iran and al Qaeda, ignoring the violent schism that exists between Shiite and Sunni militants. They issue veiled threats. They suggest that the time for diplomacy and pressure is running out when we haven't even tried direct diplomacy. Well George Bush and Dick Cheney must hear - loud and clear - from the American people and the Congress: you don't have our support, and you don't have our authorization for another war."

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- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 113 fans permalink
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The Democratic presidential candidate who has most explicitly addressed the question of military action against Iran is Barack Obama. In a September 12 speech in Clinton, Iowa, he said:

"Iran poses a grave challenge. It builds a nuclear program, supports terrorism, and threatens Israel with destruction. But we hear eerie echoes of the run-up to the war in Iraq in the way that the President and Vice President talk about Iran.
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Just another candidate to ignore. Building a nuclear program? Sure... but so far there's any proof that laws have been broken, not a sign of a weapons program, in fact there's even a fatwa against it. The destruction of Israel is as terrorism questionable at best. First, there's a big chance that the president of Iran was missquoted. Second, even if (a big if) he did say that and wants to destroy Israel he still does not have that kind of power.

This Iran war mongering I hate to say comes from our side. This is the PNAC imperialism program.
It will be repeat of the Iraq war, but only one hell of a lot worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 09/18/2007

Listen to the Generals:
Despite the report of continued Iranian involvement in Iraq, a former top U.S. Middle East commander, retired Army Gen. John P. Abizaid, emphasized in a speech yesterday the need to "contain" the Iranian regime -- even if it becomes a nuclear-armed state -- and stressed that war with Iran should be considered a last resort.

"I believe that we can contain Iran," Abizaid said in a talk at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. He said the United States and other countries must vigorously press Tehran to "cease and desist" from obtaining nuclear weapons.

Still, he said, "There are ways to live with a nuclear Iran," adding: "Iran is not a suicide nation. . . . I don't believe the Iranians intend to attack us with nuclear weapons. We have the power to deter Iran should it become nuclear."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 09/18/2007

General Petraeus said he DID NOT KNOW IF 170,000 US Troops, 11,000 Allied Troops and 200,000 Iraqi Troops are making America safer.
Are 80 - 100 US Troops being killed and 500 - 900 US Troops being wounded in Iraq each month making America Safer?
50,000 US Troops, 8,000 Allied Troops and 350,000 Iraqi Troops should be able to:
Insure Al Qaeda does not establish Terrorist Training Camps.
Insure the 1000 Al Qaeda terrorists do not overthrow the Democratically elected Iraq Government.
Insure the CIVIL WAR is fought fairly without involvement of Syria, Turkey or Iran.
I have not seen any data that Iran has attacked any country in the last 300 years.
I have not seen any data that Al Qaeda in Iran is going to take over the Government and launch attacks on the UNITED STATES or any of our Allies.
The Fact is Briton and the USSR invaded Iran in 1941 and Iraq invaded Iran in 1980.
We have been able to live with Russia having over 10,000 Nukes and Ballistic Missiles and Subs for delivery, Pakistan with about a dozen Nukes, India with about a dozen Nukes, Israel with over 20 Nukes and China with ???? Nukes and Subs to deliver them. The US position prior to Bush/Cheney has been DETERENT!
Bush/Cheney are having a Peeing contest with Iran to deflect shinning the light on their DISASTER in IRAQ. There are plenty of options to resolve our problems with Iran short of multiple bombing runs on 1200 targets and then invading with 100,000 Troops. We would create another Iraq DISASTER.
Before the Bush/Cheney WAR MONGERING the US Policy was DETERENT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 09/18/2007
- MadCow I'm a Fan of MadCow 4 fans permalink

I'm late into this -- my apology if someone has already posted this:
ABIZAID: WORLD COULD ABIDE NUCLEAR IRAN

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070918/ap_on_go_ot/abizaid_iran;_ylt=AoPcm9.sCbgOW.nDG7s0XqQDW7oF

and the European Commission today strongly distanced itself from France's warmongering against Iran. China, Russia, Italy have made similar statements. Unfortunately, this doesn't mean that the neocons will listen. They make their own reality and killed 1.2 Million innocent Iraqis to show that they can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 09/18/2007
- MA I'm a Fan of MA 4 fans permalink

This talk about the dangers of a "Nuclear Iran" are all so much bullshit.
Let them develop their bomb, they'll never use it, unless they want guaranteed total destruction of their country.
Israel has nukes, lots of them and we all know it and the Iranians know it.
As Israel has just shown, it can take care of itself and if Iran is such a threat, it can address it too.
MAD still applies, Pakistan and India are perfect examples of it.
We're being baited into attacking Iran by fanatics who have some bizarre belief that this is "gods plan".
Lets get real and show some common sense...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 09/18/2007
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 113 fans permalink
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No. Iran should not have the bomb. But so far there's no evidence of a weapons program at all and even if there were then it's a looooong time away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 09/18/2007
- oogabooga I'm a Fan of oogabooga 9 fans permalink

Empires fail. The neocons have stretched our country's resources to the breaking point. Now they want to invade more countries. We have to stop these crazies running the government. How in the blazes did lunatics like Feith, Cheney, Bush, Rummy and Wolfowitz get all this power?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 09/18/2007

These Imbeciles get their power because the brain DEAD U S voter keeps putting Incumbent SOCIAL PARISITES back in congress and the white house!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 09/18/2007
- ALC I'm a Fan of ALC 2 fans permalink

"Conservative think tanks" do anything but think. They serve as a platform for right-wing bullshit spewed by cowards too wormy to actually go face-to-face with the opposition. Kind of like those cowards in the white house and the Limbaughs and the Coulters and such. People with a moderate number of brain cells pay them no mind. Of course Bush and his boys do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 09/18/2007
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Russia warns against attacking Iraq. Hey we don't have to worry about the Russians, they collapsed, right?????

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h7qVcNAOT3WJ2NEX-uWs_OEW7RHQ


"Tehran vehemently denies US accusations it is seeking an atomic weapon, saying its nuclear drive is aimed at generating electricity.

Russia, which is building Iran's first nuclear reactor in the southern Russian city of Bushehr, has consistently warned against attacking the Islamic republic.

In an interview published just ahead of the Kouchner-Lavrov meeting, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Losyukov warned that a "bombing of Iran would be a bad move that would end with catastrophic consequenc­es."

The United States has never ruled out using military strikes to punish Iran for defying UN Security Council demands that it halt its enrichment activity. US Defense Secretary Robert Gates said on Sunday that "all options are on the table."

Iran has said it would never initiate an attack but would respond with crushing force if the United States launched a strike on its territory.

Kouchner is set to fly to Washington on Wednesday to take up the issue with US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 09/18/2007
- BuyRubles I'm a Fan of BuyRubles 2 fans permalink

someone nuke washington already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 09/18/2007
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 113 fans permalink
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That's just stupid. Just elect better leaders. Do your homework.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 09/18/2007

The US Military (15 year old Iraqi girl rapists!) can only bomb. That is the extent of its power. Its 'soldiers' could not beat a slightly wet dish rag.

To see the details of how the country formerly known as the USA has destroyed Iraq and perverted what should be its people, PLEASE READ:

http://bogusstory.com/iraq_war_picture.html

If, after reading it, you still aren't in favor of Cheney, Bush and this whole regime being turned over to the Hague Court, then at least consider the possibility that you have been blinded by this regime's propaganda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 09/18/2007
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Here is the indictment and charges!

Nuremberg Indictment – WW2
“Count Two of the Indictment charges the defendants with committing specific crimes against peace by planning, preparing, initiating, and waging wars of aggression against a number of other States. It will be convenient to consider the question of the existence of a common plan and the question of aggressive war together, and to deal later in this Judgment with the question of the individual responsibility of the defendants. The charges in the Indictment that the defendants planned and waged aggressive wars are charges of the utmost gravity. War is essentially an evil thing. Its consequences are not confined to the belligerent States alone, but affect the whole world. To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole”


USC Title 18 ; Chapter 19; Section 371. Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States

If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.

USC Title 18 ; Chapter 47; Section 1002
Possession of false papers to defraud United States

Whoever, knowingly and with intent to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof, possesses any false, altered, forged, or counterfeited writing or document for the purpose of enabling another to obtain from the United States, or from any agency, officer or agent thereof, any sum of money, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 09/18/2007
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I refer to the false fraudulent charges Iraq had WMD's - They never did, bush made it up - the attack was done to steal, oil, water and strategic postion in the world to launch a strike, eventually, on Russia. Watch the movie, if you life that long

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 09/18/2007
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Hey all, silver is approaching $13 an oz (12.61) and gold is over $700 at 715.50 - has been going up steadly for the last couple of weeks - better trade in your ass wipe dollars for some so you can eat if the chinese quit supporting our war debt habit!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 09/18/2007
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Make that silver 12.81 - gotta get new glasses

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 09/18/2007
- bertloc2 I'm a Fan of bertloc2 3 fans permalink

Not alot of deep thinkers around here, but what do you expect when they always dry hump the failed totalitarian, Communistic policies of liberalism. Guys like Carter, Clinton, and Rockwell..­..
You Libs don't really understand what freedom and self determination is all about. It is OUR determination that after we inflict massive casualties on Iran with our Bunker busters of Freedom, the remaining Iranians will rise up out of what used to be their homes and celebrate this great gift of freedom.
Why ?
Because we are America, that's why...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 09/18/2007
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You are kidding, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 09/18/2007
- BuyRubles I'm a Fan of BuyRubles 2 fans permalink

yes, he is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 09/18/2007
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Former weapons inspector, Scott Ritter says the war with Iran has already begun.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0620-31.htm

B52's with nukes pre positioning

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/8/142025/9815

No question, bush WILL attack Iran as he did in Iraq, on a fraudulent reason and no on can stop him!!!!!!!!!! Today Iraq, tomorrow the world

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 09/18/2007
- kfdan I'm a Fan of kfdan 21 fans permalink
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These right-wing, neo-con think tanks have one concern and that is to get the oil through empire ~ nothing more! They are liars, deceivers and a grave threat to America!
It was they who beat the drum to invade Iraq. It was they who devised the policies that Bush and his fellow criminals followed. It was they who manufactured the degradation of the Constitution. It is they who are traitors to the American way!
They need to be outed for the criminal enterprises they are and the money they represent!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 09/18/2007
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 67 fans permalink

And I read today that China and Russia seriously are eyeing the US. That would be
WWIII for sure. But then the world is so overpopulated maybe it is the way = who knows.
But Iran is not the problem nor has it ever been. Just look at how the US got rid of their democracy only to put the Shah in power. The US in this is the odd ball and needs to be dealt with if anything. Sad that we don't have a say in this and the DEMS, none of them have addressed this issue and are quite silent on this. Does that mean they are going along with it all. Pelosi took the part about not attacking Iran out of her first bill presented to Bush. Scary. What is her motive?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 09/18/2007
- bluesnot I'm a Fan of bluesnot 13 fans permalink

Honestly, these neocons suffer from irrationally myopic views. If there are disastrous repercussions from their actions, they think, "We'll deal with that later. Looks like a good opportunity for our defense contractor buddies."

The American people are tired of wondering if the people in government have a grip on things or whether the nation is adrift.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 09/18/2007
- Qbear I'm a Fan of Qbear 51 fans permalink

Bill Kristol and all those crazy A$$WIPES who got EVERY G*D DAMN prediction WRONG in Iraq, If you and your chorus of neocons don't shut the f*ck up, we'll rip your head off, and sh*t down your throat....­is that clear enough for ya BUBBY?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 09/18/2007
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The reason to attack Iraq was fraud - the "predictions" have been made up. The PNAC gang has all the time and money (your money) to wait out and pacify the middle east to steal the oil and water in that region....­..and you have to sit there and watch

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 09/18/2007
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