Violent Crime On The Rise

Washington Post   |  Dan Eggen   |   September 24, 2007 09:27 PM


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Violent crime in the United States rose more than previously believed in 2006, continuing the most significant increase in more than a decade, according to an FBI report released yesterday.

The FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting Program found that robberies surged by 7.2 percent and homicides rose 1.8 percent from 2005 to 2006. Violent crime overall rose 1.9 percent, substantially more than an increase of 1.3 percent estimated in a preliminary FBI report in June.

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- OckhamsElectricRazor See Profile I'm a Fan of OckhamsElectricRazor permalink

Thanks to Bush we live in Pottersville--not Bailey Woods. Clarence, I want to go home; get me out this nightmare!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 09/25/2007
- gotalife See Profile I'm a Fan of gotalife permalink

Watching Webb on C-Span 2 bashing the amendment for another pre-emptive war with Iran.

We are this close to WWIII.

Now that is a real outrage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 09/25/2007
- oneseye See Profile I'm a Fan of oneseye permalink

We can't live forever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 09/25/2007
- KBAR See Profile I'm a Fan of KBAR permalink

Especially in Newark, Detroit, Cleveland and New Orleans.

If only these cities Mayor's had more Fed. money to keep their citizens from killing each other.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 09/25/2007
- RantingTommy See Profile I'm a Fan of RantingTommy permalink

Religious beliefs and sanity are mutually exclusive.

It's LONG past time we stopped treating religion as anything more than a mental disorder.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 09/25/2007
- oneseye See Profile I'm a Fan of oneseye permalink

Mental disorder is the wrong term I think. Immaturity, lack of education, tradition, herd pressure all contribute to 'believing what you know ain't so'.
Most people don't think or can't think very deeply about their religious beliefs otherwise they would realize just how silly they are.

What else but faith could have convinced those 19 Muslim 'people of faith' to commit the atrocities of 9/11? A belief of a 'reward' in Muslim heaven did the trick.
And if you are a person of faith you can't really pick and choose the parts of your religion that you like and exclude those you don't like.
If you're a Catholic you can hardly be pro choice and still be a Catholic.
You can't remove transubstantiation from the table. Or deny the miracles of the New Testament .
You're either in or out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 09/25/2007
- Thalia See Profile I'm a Fan of Thalia permalink

And you sound different from the Fundies how, please?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 09/25/2007
- RantingTommy See Profile I'm a Fan of RantingTommy permalink

I'm AGAINST insanity

That is opposite of fundies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 09/25/2007
- Nova16 See Profile I'm a Fan of Nova16 permalink

Beezlebull speak with forked tongue. Bush as a terrorist fighter is a myth of galactic proportions. He was guilty of ignoring warnings about a terrorist attack and the briefings about al Qaida. He has made deals with countries that have aided and abetted terrorists, Terrorism has increased exponentially while the dolt sat in office. He ignored the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission to close our ports and borders to terrorists and opposed its creation, He has championed amnesty and open entrance of aliens into the country, without regard that terrorists may enter. The #1 terrorist is alive and well and making TV appearance and the Homeland Security is a joke just like FEMA and the Justice Department. Bin Laden has done his work well. Today the US is a divided nation, involved in a killing field and money pit in Iraq, heading for bankruptcy. No further attacks are needed. Wise up, you ignoramus. If ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 09/25/2007
- JoJoGunner See Profile I'm a Fan of JoJoGunner permalink

What happened to page five???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 09/25/2007
- JoJoGunner See Profile I'm a Fan of JoJoGunner permalink

Humanism is the quest for improvement - not perfection.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 09/25/2007
- misterbone See Profile I'm a Fan of misterbone permalink



What is the goal of improvement if not ultimate perfection?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 09/25/2007
- JoJoGunner See Profile I'm a Fan of JoJoGunner permalink

The goal of improvement is making things better, by definition. If I can't cure cancer I shouldn't releave the pain?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 09/25/2007
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misterbone (See profile | I'm a fan of misterbone)


Values based on humanity, as you put it, is in itself a faith in something metaphysical. It assumes that humanity has a purpose beyond mere existence, doesn't it? Otherwise, why bother? Rxistence is just too much hard work without a purpose. So, what is that purpose?

I don't suggest it requires belief in a human-like yet metaphysical being, but there must be a faith in something beyond existence.

Humans are not 'metaphysical'. This is nihilism bone. Do the people around you lack value? Is the living of your life not justification for that life? If it isn't then you seem to be a defeated person to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 09/25/2007
- misterbone See Profile I'm a Fan of misterbone permalink


"Do the people around you lack value? Is the living of your life not justification for that life?"

Let me put it this way....why do the people around you have value? Not simply becuase they exist. No, because they have life. And while you can scientifically explain the mechanics of life, you can't explain life's purpose, can you? That requires a faith.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 09/25/2007
- RantingTommy See Profile I'm a Fan of RantingTommy permalink

Life can have a purpose without resorting to making one up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 09/25/2007
- JoJoGunner See Profile I'm a Fan of JoJoGunner permalink

While I'm trashing out Xtianity I don't wanna let Plato off the hook. Platos' 'realm of perfect forms' morphed into the Xtian Heaven. Plato said there was a world of perfect forms of a horse, chair, New Jersey etc. he never said where and you can't see it. 'This world' is an imperfect copy of this perfect realm. Xtians talk about 'this world' being a 'sinful' place they can't wait to Rapture out of. They'd be surprised, most of them, to know they're talking Plato, whom they tend to think is Mickey Mouses' dog. Amen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 09/25/2007
- misterbone See Profile I'm a Fan of misterbone permalink


Ahhhh, now you're beginning to make sense jojo. Religion has always been the quest for perfection, or at least the quest for perfect truth. Again, compare that with humanism and you won't find much difference except in how you talk about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 09/25/2007
- RantingTommy See Profile I'm a Fan of RantingTommy permalink

except that humanists dont make up outlandish stories out of nothing and base their system of beliefs on myths

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 09/25/2007
- Thalia See Profile I'm a Fan of Thalia permalink

By the way, has anyone noticed how the right-wing wrath and hysterica toward Columbia went from being about their inviting Immadindehead to speak to fury at the president of Columbia for being rude to Immadindehead?

More proof that everything for Repubs now is simply about crushing anyone they deem a left winger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 09/25/2007
- Thalia See Profile I'm a Fan of Thalia permalink

And as usual, Repubs in Congress are pulling their usual bullying, intimidating, threatening rackateering and demanding federal funds be cut off from Columbia because it dared go against Repub rules, which haven't worked too well for America, btw.

Repubs/mafia: same thing.bunch of thugs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 09/25/2007
- JoJoGunner See Profile I'm a Fan of JoJoGunner permalink

Xtians just don't get it. What Thomas Paine called 'The Age of Reason' replaced the Age of Faith. It happened in the West - it hasn't happened in the Islamic world, yet. Any system of values that is based on an invisable Big Daddy in the sky is simply inoperable. Western Civ is post-Xtian now because there is no reason to belive Gawd or Jayzus is anything but a myth. Values have got to be based on humans or we fall into nihilism. You - the Xtians - brought about nihilism because you based yer values on somthing you couldn't prove was real. Amen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 09/25/2007
- RantingTommy See Profile I'm a Fan of RantingTommy permalink

100% correct

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 09/25/2007
- Thalia See Profile I'm a Fan of Thalia permalink

Wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 09/25/2007
- BrickSykes See Profile I'm a Fan of BrickSykes permalink


"There you go again!"
R. Reagan

Brick

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 09/25/2007
- misterbone See Profile I'm a Fan of misterbone permalink



Values based on humanity, as you put it, is in itself a faith in something metaphysical. It assumes that humanity has a purpose beyond mere existence, doesn't it? Otherwise, why bother? Rxistence is just too much hard work without a purpose. So, what is that purpose?

I don't suggest it requires belief in a human-like yet metaphysical being, but there must be a faith in something beyond existence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 09/25/2007
- oneseye See Profile I'm a Fan of oneseye permalink

Baloney! Humanists do not assume a purpose to existence. The most you will get from us is that at the present time we have no evidence to warrent such a assumption.
Your statement of "faith in something beyond existence" is an abandonment of reason.
The 'need' for a purpose for our existence is a left over from human adolescence. This 'need' is also a cry for a Big Daddy who will look after us after we croak.

It gets tiresome hearing people say,"There must be something more." Or ,"There must be something greater than us."

We are not great to begin with and wanting a 'something' or 'somebody' is not evidence for anything but our immaturity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 09/25/2007
- Nova16 See Profile I'm a Fan of Nova16 permalink

A wonderful topic like crime turns into a metaphysical debate about religion and abortion. The lower birthrate among neocons might have something to do with abortions. Democrats always favored larger families. As far are the religious issues are concerned--those who claim to have the "gift of prophecy", have "knowledge" of the unknown and speak in "tongues" have become tiresome and annoying when trying to deal with the real issues facing this country. If one person is delusional, it is called insanity. When may are delusional, it is called religion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 09/25/2007
- RantingTommy See Profile I'm a Fan of RantingTommy permalink

Totally correct.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 09/25/2007
- Thalia See Profile I'm a Fan of Thalia permalink

Wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 09/25/2007
- BrickSykes See Profile I'm a Fan of BrickSykes permalink


Yes, but you only have "Faith" that we are Wrong...

And, "Hope", too, I'd wager....

Brick

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 09/25/2007
- BrickSykes See Profile I'm a Fan of BrickSykes permalink


Ditto, Nova....

Brick

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 09/25/2007
- JoJoGunner See Profile I'm a Fan of JoJoGunner permalink

Good post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 09/25/2007
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Firaxis (See profile | I'm a fan of Firaxis)

Yer obviously a Jayzus Jumper - prattling on about 'values'. Maybe yer the one who can prove the existence of 'Gawd'. I doubt yer bright enough to realise it, but yer whole system of values falls down if you can't prove the foundation of it is anything more than a myth. And you can't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 09/25/2007
- Thalia See Profile I'm a Fan of Thalia permalink

And you can't prove He doesn't exist.

That's why it's called "faith."

Your point is irrelevant. Where Firaxis is screwed up is in thinking that it is religion that is the basis for morality and that only people of faith - and I"m presuming only of a very narrowly defined Christian faith, namely the fundamentalist evangelical kind - are moral people.

That's one of the problems with dogmatic religion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 09/25/2007
- thegreatgiginthesky See Profile I'm a Fan of thegreatgiginthesky permalink

The Bible teaches us to love one another and do good to others.

Which of these Conservative christians can say that they actually follow that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 09/25/2007
- misterbone See Profile I'm a Fan of misterbone permalink

No, Firaxis is screwed up because morality for him begins and ends with sex. That's common among the "religious" with deep sexual obsessions and hangups. He can't credibly call himself a Christian however by accepting w