Thomas: My Yale Law Degree Is Worth '15 Cents'

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U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has a 15-cent price tag stuck to his Yale law degree, blaming the school's affirmative action policies in the 1970s for his difficulty finding a job after he graduated.

Some of his black classmates say Thomas needs to get over his grudge because Yale opened the door to extraordinary opportunities.

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- ornery I'm a Fan of ornery 7 fans permalink

Sat mute for years, finally asked a question during oral argument, then sat mute for more years, and asked one more question.

"Most qualified nominee for s sct" said daddy Bush.

Shows contempt Bush dynasty has for law in general and the legal profession in particular.

To Bushes, lawyers & judges are just part of the hired help, a few rungs above their gardeners, maids and cooks. Servants.

Thomas is right: he is a product of affirmative action. And Yale helped him get his job with that idiot Danforth, failed Episcopal priest & ex senator, when he was AG of MO. Danforth bore white man's burden and pushed Clarence into every position he had after that.

Clarence, you should get down on your hands and knees and thank Eli Yale and all the other alumni who were so generous as to give you a chance.

Because you are in fact second rate, or third rate, intellectually (though a first rate boot licker for the right wingers who sponsored you in Warshington).

And had you gone to Georgia State Law School rather than Yale, you'd probably be fixing someone's DUI at the courthouse in some small county seat in Georgia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 10/21/2007

Some people take advantage of the chance. Anita Hill was an affirmative action Yalie and she graduate with honors, she did not just skate by and feel sorry for herself.

When it came time to speak truth to power Anita Hill walked the walk. She makes me proud.

On the other hand; If she gave Clarence Thomas the blow job he asked for Anita Hill might be Attorney General today, or at least a federal judge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 10/21/2007

Or Secretary of State.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 10/21/2007
- uheardme I'm a Fan of uheardme 10 fans permalink

Or a U.S. Senator running for President of the United States.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 10/21/2007
- wolfgangmo I'm a Fan of wolfgangmo 23 fans permalink
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Bwahahahah­ahahahahah­a. Truth is funnier than fiction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 10/21/2007

I was AA and I graduated Magna Cum Laude at UCI, and with Moot Court Honors at USC law school. I have achieved many things that I am proud of and AA gave me a chance. Check my profile. I will always support AA but I think it should be class based. Too many of my friends are doctors and lawyers and I don't think their kids should get AA just because they are black or chicano. After all, they were raised rich. AA should be for kids that have to overcome adversity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 10/21/2007
- whomung I'm a Fan of whomung 4 fans permalink

Totally agree....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 10/22/2007
- whomung I'm a Fan of whomung 4 fans permalink

BTW.... up above I mentioned my Bro getting his PhD in molecular genetics from Harvard...

He wanted to be a Vet, and go to UC Davis for school...(­he was 18, and it was close to home).

Because of affirmative action, he lost his spot.... so he regrouped, took out loans, went to Harvard (he was also accepted at MIT), earned scholarships for all his post grad.... got his PhD, then Returned to Davis, got his degree in Vet Med, and became a professor there

And --to the best of my knowledge-- the "affirmative action" candidate who originally bumped him from Davis is now a vet.... good for everyone.

My family is FAR from rich, BTW.... Way, way far...

But, if my Bro HAD NOT BEEN BUMPED BY Affirmative Action, (this was in the 70's) he'd be a vet in an office now, instead of genetics professor working in Veterinary medicine and writing books and publishing papers

Life is funny --Bigotry isn't

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 10/22/2007

UC Davis Vet school is the best in Cal. Of course, there are only two vet schools. I know three graduates through my work with animal rescue. They practice a very high level of medicine comparable to human practice.

Harvard is a big step up from Davis, of course. My best friend went to Harvard Medical School and is a family practice doc in Santa Ana. Everything he owns says "Harvard" on it.

Your brother has a lot to be proud of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 10/22/2007
- whomung I'm a Fan of whomung 4 fans permalink

He obviously worked his ass off, all the way through --- and my parents sacrificed a lot.....

My dad was an appliance repairman.­.. back in the days when people actually fixed them, instead of throwing them away. Hardly a "big Money" occupation.

Granddad was an immigrant (at the age of 14 --and came here on his own --no family support), he was a coal miner, and a union organizer.

I'm proud of my heritage

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 10/22/2007

A couple of weeks ago both Anita Hill and Thomas' wife were interviewed. thomas's wife who is just as snotty and cynical as he is says she hopes someday to get an apology from Anita Hill!!! When Anita Hill was interviewed she was a class act all the way....gra­cious, elegant, so very far above thomas' hateful wife......­What a nasty household that thomas house must be. Neither of them has a tenth of the class as Ms. Hill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 10/21/2007
- gerrylong I'm a Fan of gerrylong 5 fans permalink

That's because the ass-hole missed the whole idea of constitutional government. He's so busy kissing Scalia's butt he wouln't know how much his law degree is worth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 10/21/2007
- ROBOT8 I'm a Fan of ROBOT8 20 fans permalink

CLARENCE IS FEELING O.J. GUILT, HE'S A CROOK AND HE FEELS THAT EMPTINESS THAT O.J. FEELS AND HE WANTS TO BE EXPOSED.HE WANTS TO TELL THE WHOLE WORLD THAT HE'S A BUSH BITCH LIKE CONDIMENTS AND RICE AND WHORE HEY GONZALEZ
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, THE TRUTH IS THE GREATEST ENEMY OF THE STATE." -- Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945
"The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of an eye: the more light you pour on it, the more it contracts.­"
Chief Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, U.S. Supreme Court
"When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” -Sinclair Lewis

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 10/21/2007
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Judging from the commentary posted here it is safe to say that the posters are white.

THis anger is something that is particular to some black Americans especially the ones of the older generation who came up through Jim Crow and prior to the Civil Rights movement.

I've met some of them. I met an older black visual artist who I thought would be a good mentor, very smart and talented and so very angry. Not toxic anger (it didn't spill over into how he treated others) but held in anger that could really harm him and filtered his current experience.

I met another older very prominent successful modern artist (wealthy, published, widely exhibited,­critiqued, etc) married to a black woman from a prominent african american family. Same problem.In one exchange the woman shared how she had spent most of her 30's (a decade!)angry about race, her treatment by whites in America and the many doors closed in her face.They have all made it: successful careers, wealth and prominence.

My initial response as a young black female artist was why focus on the past? you've "done it". Enjoy. (how naive)

THere is a reason why black artists and others fled to Paris and other European countries during Jim Crow. The scars of this period are deep and have created a pathology in many african americans. The wounds continue to be passed on.

If the Holocasut can elicit so much sympathy why not the systemic oppression of an entire group over several hundred years here on American soil?

This is not in defense of Thomas who I completely dislike as SC Justice. But he falls into this group of "the oppressed" that becomes "the oppressor" .

It is impossible for whites to acknowledge the pathology created by this history. It is impossible to imagine how one would handle it if the tables were reversed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 10/21/2007
- ornery I'm a Fan of ornery 7 fans permalink

So, you're saying he is an example of self-hating, oppressed-­become-opp­ressor????­??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 10/21/2007

I get your point. It's just very difficult to feel sympathetic for someone with Thomas' power, who is trying to undo a lot of good work or at least good intentions to create a better world for everyone. It's one thing to end up as a lawyer or even a judge in a country full of them. It's quite another to end up on the Supreme Court. Even if he was GHW Bush's affirmative action pick (which he was), he is still on the Supreme Court and therefore has an opportunity to influence history in ways the rest of us could never dream of. That's why I have no pity for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 10/21/2007
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Indeed. Except that he isnot the only one on the bench causing damage. Scalia is far more dangerous : who can forget the outcome of Gore Vs. Bush? Let's see i.5 million Iraqui refugees; close to 1 million dead Iraquis (mostly children), almost 30,000 dead and maimed american troops....­.

And how about the last two appointees? Alito and Roberts complete corporists if ever I saw one.

BTW, I don't pity Thomas, I was trying to give his anger context.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 10/21/2007
- geobushono I'm a Fan of geobushono 15 fans permalink

I don't forgive thomas' shortcomings any more than I forgive the bigotry of some whites.
.....and thomas has bigger personal problems than race issues with whites.
thomas probably would find it difficult to function in any intellectual environment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 10/21/2007
- wagonjak I'm a Fan of wagonjak 7 fans permalink

Dear brooklynci­tizen...if you think the anger here is race related, as your statement about the posters being white suggests..­.you are so far off base as to be living on another planet.

For a black man who benefited greatly from the affirmative action policies that were fought for by both whites and blacks, to then turn on those policies as "unjust" is beyond idiotic, it is evil.

And is he is the oppressed turned "oppressor" then why is he still whining like a baby-why doesn't he just quietly go about his evil deeds and STFU?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 10/21/2007
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Nope. Not living on another planet. You don't have to agree.

The post speaks to the pathology that exists in the black community. Clarence Thomas is part of that community whether he serves that community or Americans at large is an entirely different story. It is naive to think that Thomas is evaluated without regard to race. Impossible.

His selection was about race although in my estimation not entirely about race. His politics were/ are significant; as are Powell's and Condi's.

The answer to your last question is in the previous post (hint:pathology-a deviation from healthy, normal conditon).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 10/21/2007
- PaMike I'm a Fan of PaMike 6 fans permalink

brooklynci­t..great insights! Thank You!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 10/21/2007
- nihilon x I'm a Fan of nihilon x 39 fans permalink

I've met a black professor like that in college -- real big on his "blackness" and arrogant to the point of "HNIC" delusion to boot.

People of all backgrounds just seem to get more angry as they age -- the "race" issue probably only adds to fuel to a common fire.

Thomas reminds me of Uncle Ruckus from the Boondocks.­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 10/21/2007
- marko77 I'm a Fan of marko77 33 fans permalink

"People of all backgrounds just seem to get more angry as they age -- the "race" issue probably only adds to fuel to a common fire." by nihilon_x
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nihilon - you are correct. It seems as people age they get crustier, more isolated and pissed off, and more distant from others. I see it in myself and in others my age and older.

I remember people in their 20 or 30s who were different in personality but naturally friendly to acquaintences. Now in their 50s it's well, fuck you, Jack - it's natural to look the other way. It can suck to get older.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 10/21/2007
- HamletsMill I'm a Fan of HamletsMill 251 fans permalink
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I agree marko77. Aging is a real bitch. You look at people and just want to scream STFU on general impressions before they even open their mouths. Standing at the check out at Wal-Mart and looking around just makes me want to go home and try to speed read Chaucer to try to get my IQ back up. I used to be a really nice guy. Now if the girl at the drive thru window forgets to give me a straw I want to pull her through the window by her collar and scream "How am I supposed to drink this while I'm driving, bitch?" I want to scream out that when I went through basic training at the age of 19 the old WWII brown shoe lifer Sargent still in the Army in the mid-1960's just looked at me and said "Son, learn this or you will be killed." You look at people these days who can't get a burger, fries, and diet coke right and you want to make them disassemble and reassemble an M-1 or M-16 at night blind folded with a loaded Colt 45 held to their head. Yes. It is called getting old and it is a real bitch. When they forget the salad dressing when I am trying to eat healthy for a change it sets me off for the rest of the night. And I used to be a nice guy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 10/22/2007

I think they should have to break down the 1911 too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 10/22/2007
- MASHON I'm a Fan of MASHON 7 fans permalink

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I've been trying to blame most of my anger on menopause (which only makes me angrier), yet I know with every bone in my being that "Idiocracy" is reigning supreme.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 10/22/2007

James Balwin went to Paris and he was not bitter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 10/21/2007
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Gay people do not become bitter....­they are GAY... (sorry bad joke).LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 10/21/2007
- uheardme I'm a Fan of uheardme 10 fans permalink

Great post. You're wasting it here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 10/21/2007
- OneWoman I'm a Fan of OneWoman 6 fans permalink

Oh, I don't think her post is wasted--at least not on me. Usually, she has salient points to make and I enjoy reading every word.

As for James Baldwin, I've read most of his stuff and think he was borderline bitter, or perhaps just profoundly sad and disappoint­ed...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 10/21/2007

Most posters here are probably white no matter what the fuckin topic is. whats your point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 10/21/2007
- sassafra I'm a Fan of sassafra 20 fans permalink
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15 cents?
reading his decisions he's got change coming.
pathetic loser.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 10/21/2007
- Graywolf48 I'm a Fan of Graywolf48 78 fans permalink
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That's about 10 cents more than Thomas himself is worth. And the nickel is plugged.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 10/21/2007
- VOTER I'm a Fan of VOTER 183 fans permalink
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You beat me to it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 10/21/2007
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And a C note woth more than you...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 10/21/2007

What's a WOTH?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 10/21/2007

A wingnut unit of measurement, like a Couric.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 10/21/2007

What a dope. He has never shown any intelligence or awareness of himself or of his petty, little life. I doubt that he had the intelligence to write even one word of this unfortunate (for him) biography.
Just seeing how unappreciative he is of what he has been given, makes me join him in despising affirmative action. Because had Yale not given him a break, simply because he is African-American, he’d be holding down some menial job someplace. But the Republicans know how to take advantage of class traitors. The Democrats would never have appointed such a dummy to such a high position.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 10/21/2007

That anger is not "a black thing"
Søren Kierkegaard wrote about this anger and he is a Danish.
Soren Kierkegaard makes the argument that only we have the power to kill our souls: "spiritually, a murder is not conceivable - certainly no violent assaulter can murder an immortal spirit; spiritually suicide is the only possible death."
Thomas does not accept who he is. He defines himself in terms of his anger toward his enemies and gives them power. That is why Jesus said, "Love your enemies"

Thomas's anger towards Anita Hill is based on anger at the black woman for not being a white woman. That is why Thomas married a white woman, to prove he could take her froma white man, not because he loved her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 10/21/2007

Maybe he just likes redheads.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 10/21/2007
- uheardme I'm a Fan of uheardme 10 fans permalink

"Because had Yale not given him a break, simply because he is African-American, he"d be holding down some menial job someplace.­"


Puhleez.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 10/21/2007

As a college graduate, and black and fascist, he would have found a desk up front with many fascist corporations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 10/21/2007
- HamletsMill I'm a Fan of HamletsMill 251 fans permalink
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GWB went to Yale on good old Alumni "affirmative action". He got a pretty good job too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 10/22/2007

Several in fact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 10/22/2007

Wow, if your law degree is worth 15 cents, just image what a MBA from Harvard is worth. I guess I will have to ask old man Bush that question since he bought one for his retarded child.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 10/21/2007

That would be what it cost, not what it was worth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 10/21/2007
- Kally I'm a Fan of Kally 10 fans permalink

Everybody has got it wrong. HE is only worth about .15 cents and that's in today's figures.

This man complains about the liberals. And that the republicans are the saviors.

Remember this...the democrats campaigned and passed the laws to get the blacks in this country equal rights.

The democrats marched with the black people to show their support.

The democrats went to bat for the black people to find the ones who killed them during the sixties.

This man couldn't make it with the democrats, after all they are tried to do for the blacks in this country, so he joined the republicans. And the reason he joined the republicans to get political favors. One he would never have succeeded in doing, become a judge on the supreme if he had have been a "token black", which his record shows.

Really truly courageous black men are those like Marshall who this piece of shit Thomas couldn't even compare to that man's sweat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 10/21/2007

Really courageous black men are mostly dead.

Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Fred Hampton and MLK, for example.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 10/21/2007

Thomas: "My Yale Law Degree Is Worth '15 Cents'".
What makes him think, he, is worth much more?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 10/21/2007
- FogBelter I'm a Fan of FogBelter 275 fans permalink

Jeez, Thomas actually thought a degree from Yale would be worth something? He doesn't get the point of the University. At Yale, it's not about what you learn, but whom you know ... or whom you are related to.

He should just be happy he's employed in a job that is far more stable than any job available in a Communist Country. Being a Supreme Court Justice is better than Welfare ever was.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 10/21/2007
- nihilon x I'm a Fan of nihilon x 39 fans permalink

Yale should take the degree back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 10/21/2007
- geobushono I'm a Fan of geobushono 15 fans permalink

thomas is the first of the Justices the Democrats should impeach when they have the numbers.
thomas is seriously deranged..­....think about it, he's still grousing about being rejected by Anita Hill.
If you and I harbored such abberant thoughts, we surly wouldn't want anybody to know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 10/21/2007

Why is he so bitter? Sounds like he has more issues than National Geographic. His law degree is only worth the work he put into getting it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 10/21/2007
- Dejack I'm a Fan of Dejack 5 fans permalink

He is a sick and angry man. Does anybody else feel that he is psychologically unfit to hold the position he has - a position that impacts the life of everybody in this country?? My God help us -- two sociopaths at the wheel of fate of America - Bush and Thomas! Is there any wonder the country is going down the toilet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 10/21/2007

Its not just those 2 idiots. There are literally millions of non thinking idiots in America. Most of them Jayzus freaks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 10/21/2007

People are stupid, greedy and dangerous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 10/21/2007
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