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Dems Pessimistic About Iraq Funding Battle

October 30, 2007 05:20 PM


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Aides and advisers to congressional Democrats are pessimistic about their efforts to tie the approval of supplemental Iraq war spending to U.S. troop withdrawals. Even more challenging, they warn, would be a movement to cut off war funds entirely, which could split apart the caucus.

2007-10-30-pelosi.jpgAccording to sources involved in Democratic Iraq strategy, the party's leadership is likely to pursue smaller victories - such as stricter benchmarks, a shift in troop focus, and greater war-contracting oversight - while simultaneously putting the Republicans on record as not supporting an end to the war. The $196 billion supplemental request by the Bush administration, which is slated to be considered by Congress early next year, represents the next battleground for a legislative confrontation.

"The whole problem has always been votes," a prominent Hill staffer told the Huffington Post. "Politically the Democratic leadership would like to have a showdown where the president has to continually veto a bill that will end the war...Eventually, however, some funding will have to get passed. We are not just going to leave them out there."

According to one high-ranking Capitol Hill aide, there were at least three reasons why Democratic leaders pushed off considering the supplemental bill until next year: there was ample money to continue funding the war, there was a desire to wait out the presidential primaries, and the party leadership, at this point in time, didn't think it could push through anything with a troop withdrawal attached. The latter issue, some predict, likely cannot be solved with time.

"In general, we feel that there is a limit to what Congress can do when it comes to ending the Iraq war," Matt Bennett, vice president of Third Way, a moderate Democratic think tank told the Huffington Post. "Bush has been ridiculous in his rhetoric but at the end of the day you have to supply the money."

Indeed, privately and increasingly publicly, those who follow Iraq policy see few levers beyond another veto showdown with Bush that the Democrats can pull. Republicans, they note, were either buoyed or kept in line by last month's testimony of Gen. David Petreaus, while Democrats were more-or-less stymied in their attempts to gain new allies on forcing a troop drawdown. Without the votes and with Republican criticism of Iraq proving far more rhetorical than substantive, the consensus is emerging that the war will not end with Bush in office.

"What makes this so difficult is that there were two elections. American got the first one wrong and the second one right. But the 2006 election can't undo 2004 and George Bush is still commander in chief," Allan Rivlin, a partner with Peter D. Hart Research Associates, told the Huffington Post.

Not everyone is convinced that, going forward, Democrats should use the supplemental to focus on the low-hanging fruit (benchmarks, investigations into war-contracting, etc...). With polls showing a strong majority favors withdrawal from Iraq, war critics are imploring congressional Democrats to insist that money only be allocated for ending the war.

"The time to lay down the gauntlet is upon us," Tom Andrews, national director of Win Without War told the Huffington Post. "We must say we are going to put up the money only to get our soldiers out of Iraq.... And for members that are feeling paranoid that a vote against the funding the war will be misconstrued, we have to give these members the confidence that it will be just the opposition."

Privately, however, some Hill staffers and advisers acknowledge that the best hope the Democrats have for victory may be simply in putting the heat on vulnerable Republican members. In the mother-of-all ironies, as one appropriations expert posited, the GOP could introduce a measure to cut off funds for the war as a way of splintering a Democratic Party divided on the issue.

"If the Democrats refuse to bring it to the floor the Republicans can do it anyway," said Scott Lilly, a senior fellow at the left-leaning Center for American Progress. "By doing it, they are not trying to end the war. They are trying to destroy the political alliance that could hopefully, at some point, bring an end to the war."

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Cut the funding! The Iraq War has and is nothing more than a smokescreen for the largest robbery in history of present and future taxpayer dollars. The primary focus of the Bush/Cheney mis-administration has been corruption, corruption and more corruption supported by the rubber stamping GOP, the RNC and all of it's brown shirt minions and the rubber stamping brown shirt pseudo journalists.Cut the funding!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 11/01/2007

The reality of US Senate legislation of bills is there are 49 Democrats and Republicans each with 2 Independents. If you consider Lieberman as an Independent with Republican leanings, that would split the US Senate with 50 Democrats and Republicans. With the Vice President breaking the tie, the Republicans will win all the time.

It would be extremely difficult for the Democrats to pass any bills pertaining Iraq because it would need 66.66 or 67 votes (2/3 of 100) to override the presidential veto. They need 17 more votes from the Republicans.

With the unbending decisions of the President with respect to the Iraq war, coupled by the fact that he is a Republican, it is no wonder why the Republicans are still voting against troop withdrawal, even when the majority of Americans are for it.

Cutting the troop funding will also have to go though the same meatgrinder. See below.

Article I, Section 7, of the Constitution provides in part that--

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it becomes a Law, be presented to the President of the United States.

And that is the reality of how to enact laws with a 50/50 split between Repubs and Dems.

Hope this clears up the confusion on why the Democrats find it extremely hard in passing a Withdrawal of troops from Iraq bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 10/31/2007

The Democrats don't have to 'pass' anything. All they have to do is vote against Bush's supplemental funding request in the House.

If they believe their own rhetoric that Bush's war policy is a disastrous failure and Americans are dying for nothing in Iraq, why wouldn't they vote against it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 10/31/2007

to herb33
After voting against it, then what?

Anyway, the Dems has already tried to pass a bill that has a date of withdrawal on it. It is(was?) called Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007, with a senate bill no. of S.433.IS and a house bill no. of H.R.787.IH.

As usual, it did not pass, with a vote of 50-48, 10 votes short of passage, with even slimmer hopes for a veto override.

**it would need 66.66 or 67 votes (2/3 of 100) to override the presidential veto. They need 17 more votes from the Republicans.**


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 10/31/2007

No matter how much you quote the Democratic Party's apoligist's line that they don't have the votes to end the war, it doesn't make it any more true.

The Democrats have 41 votes in the Senate -- all they need to prevent any war funding bill from coming up for a vote that doesn't bring home the troops by the end of Bush's term.

It takes courage to stand up to Bush and the conservative slime machine. But it is courage the Democrats need, not additional votes.

If they won't use the parliamentary powers they do have to end the war and drag Bush kicking and screaming like a spoiled brat to the compromise table, then there is no reason to give them more power in the 2008 elections. As it is I'm voting Green Party for Congress in 2008. I've learned my lesson.

The Dems don't have to pass or fund anything. They have nothing to fear but fear itself and fear has them by the crosshairs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 10/31/2007

Albert Snyder of York, Pa., the father of a Westminster Marine who was killed in Iraq, today won his case in a Baltimore federal court against members of Topeka, Kan.-based Westboro Baptist Church who protested at his son"s funeral last year.

The jury of five women and four men awarded Snyder $2.9 million in compensatory damages. The amount of punitive damages to be awarded has not yet been decided. The jury deliberated for about two hours yesterday and much of today.

Snyder was the first in the nation to attempt to hold members of Westboro Baptist Church legally liable for their shock protests at military funerals after the church protested the military"s inclusion of gays at the funeral of Lance Cpl. Matthew A. Snyder, a 2003 Westminster High School graduate who died March 3, 2006, in a vehicle accident in Anbar province.

In June 2006, Snyder sued the tight-knit fundamentalist Christian church and three of its members individually. The father argued that Westboro"s demonstrations exacerbated his pain and suffering in March 2006 while he mourned the death of his only son.

Specifically, he charged that they violated his privacy, intentionally inflicted emotional harm and engaged in a conspiracy to carry out their activities. The jury decided in Snyder"s favor on every count.
The Synder website has legal documents from the case here. Send him a

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 10/31/2007

Guess who's still driving the bus? It isn't the weak-assed Democrats!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 10/31/2007
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The Democratics should do one of two things:

Either do EVERYTHING they can to END involvement in Iraq, or do EVERYTHING they can to SUCCEED for the Iraqi people.

They won't do either. They suck ass.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 10/31/2007

ZZZZZZZZ, chirp chirp ZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZ!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 10/31/2007

Just do it. No non-war money for IRAN BOMBS. No long term money. Dole it out like a miser and say pooh to bush and the repubs. REMEMBER, they were in charge for 6 years and did horribly. Don't be afraid to says so and do what it right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 10/31/2007
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They should be pessimistic. They are cowards who have to go into battle. These cowards have every reason to be pessimistic. Going into battle without a spine is a good reason to be pessimistic.

If they were optimistic they would say something like, "George, you haven't been very cooperative with us lately on many other issues, now you don't even get this bill to the floor. We want something from you now."

But they won't. They are cowards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 10/31/2007

pelosi, reid, et al, need to remember that while they were elected leaders by their peers, the were sent to washington not as leaders but as representatives. and a poor job they are doing at representing those who elected them.

now that we have two commanders in chief's...W as head of the military and condaleeza as head of the even LARGER group of 'contractors' in iraq, it more important than ever that congress step up and stop this supplemental funding. force bush to put in into the budget so at lease a little light can be shined on the $$.

but this will never happen. as stated in the article, the dems are too afraid of dividing the caucus. and so it goes...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 10/31/2007

The emphasis in this supplemental funding battle should be on the House, not the Senate.

House Democrats should consider Bush's supplemental funding request, as submitted, and vote it down with a simple majority. They have the numbers to do that, and Senate action then becomes irrelevant.

Force Bush to choose between: (a) coming back with a request that meets with House majority approval, or (b) continuing to fund the war out of existing DoD accounts.

If Bush tries to go with (b), watch for an E-Ring uprising that'll make the Shinseki episode look like a game of patty-cake. The only thing keeping the Pentagon senior brass in line on this failed policy is the supplemental funding. And Bush knows it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 10/31/2007

Our Reps can stop this goddamn SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENTS today!
IMPEACH CHENEY/BUSH NOW....or alternatively,
IMPEACH PELOSI NOW......
Congress: Choose one of the above.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 10/31/2007

Their so-called "pessimism" is just for appearances - they've already decided and they never intended to stand up to that brain-damaged sociopath. They are accomplices in war crimes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 10/31/2007

exactly.
most dems are neo-libs. part of the same corporate New world order. Thay are banking on us still supporting us in 08, when they are being spineless bush enablers now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 10/31/2007

Here is what it has got to be folks - remember the old phrase - It's not who you know but what you know on somebody?

Bush evidently has something of value on Pelosi and Reid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 10/31/2007

2 BILLION of "our" DOLLARS A DAMN DAY!!!! for free i offer THIS origional poem

1984 on CRACK

simple at a rat, a snake, dog and cat.
tomm and jerry made more sense.
NANCY AND THEM used our frustrations, at lil bush and darth vader, for a pretense.
smiled in our face then showed theirs.
hillary was a strong cutie as 1st lady,
what does she and tony snow have in common,
WRINKLED UP FACE from all that damn lying.
we trying, we trying, we trying
it's "we the people" who frying.
sand in our boots,
trading in our white picket fences for some white pills!
my woman hated to see me leave but can't wait to see my crazy ass go,
cause she know
she may wake up with my hands around her neck
or
wake up to me outside blasting beck
cutting the grass asshole naked,
thank me for the service to my country
(he takes a hit from his old E)
BITCH kiss my whole entire ass and check out my battle scars!!!
THINK way BACK YALL to the "making the case for the WAR"
rewind to 07, it's the same damn song
roll that shit, lite that shit smoke that shit "WE ALL GOIN TO HELL WITH GASOLINE DRAWS ON"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 10/31/2007

You can quit wringing your hands, because as I posted the day after the election, it's all for naught. The only reason the Democrat party won a majority is because they ran centralist candidates. Yours is an agenda of progressive gibberish, and neither party will embrace your stupidity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 10/31/2007
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There is not one poll that agrees with your conclusions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 10/31/2007

You are correct. This is a reich wing talking point put out by Pravda, I mean the Republican National Committee. Sorry Max, you a just another confused RepubliCON that can not think for themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 10/31/2007
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Bush and the Dems and all bush's bootlickers should rot in Hell for leaving our military in the middle of a mess. Maybe if the Democrats and Repugnants weren't so worried about getting re-elected and put principal and what's right ahead of their legacy's our military men and women would all be spending Christmas at home with their families. Instead of trying to avoid getting killed.
Nothing's going to change in this country until the American public pull themselves up by the bootstraps and start marching and cutting off any donations to candiates.
at least then we would know where their money really comes from.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 10/31/2007
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