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Rove Confronted Over Iraq War Lie On Fox News Sunday

December 2, 2007 11:22 AM


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This morning on Fox News Sunday, Rep. Chris Van Hollen called out Karl Rove for his false claim that Congress, not President Bush, had pushed for a speedy vote on the 2002 Iraq war resolution.

"Clearly things have not gone right in Iraq and you've tried to revise history," Van Hollen told Rove, demanding he "retract the outrageous statements you made."

Rove refused to back down, instead reading off a series of quotes by then-Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD) that Rove claimed backed up his point. But as ThinkProgress documents, "None of the quotes that Rove used suggested Daschle was desperately trying to force a war authorization vote."

Van Hollen then laid down his trump card: a quote by former Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer in today's Washington Post: "It was definitely the Bush administration that set it in motion and determined the timing, not the Congress. I think Karl in this instance just has his facts wrong."

"I disagree with my colleague," Rove responded, suggesting that Fleischer wasn't in the position to know the truth about the issue. "I suspect Ari is not aware of and was not privileged to these conversations and was not aware of these quotes. I was in the middle of the White House and I saw these comments..." But the fact that Rove was "in the middle of the White House" is irrelevant, since his argument is based on a series of quotes from Democrats that are in the public record.

Watch the video from Fox News Sunday:

For more:

Arianna Huffington: Karl Rove's Shameless, Remorseless, Soulless Attempt to Rewrite History

HuffPost Interview: Rep. Chris Van Hollen on his debate with Rove

HuffTV: Arianna Discussing Rove's Attack on History with Keith Olbermann

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- RevengeIsNear See Profile I'm a Fan of RevengeIsNear permalink

As one campaign slogan, Democrats need to continually klunk the Repubs over their head with the following, and remind the people that "W has been the BIGGEST GOVT SPENDER and INFILTRATOR (with warrantless searches and sneaky little wiretaps etc) OUR PRIVACY OF ALL TIME!!! " Therefore, the monkey was really for Big Government. Are they all? Perhaps they are not true conservatives always touting "smaller Govt". What fakes and phonies!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 12/04/2007
- Marlowe22 See Profile I'm a Fan of Marlowe22 permalink

Karl Rove is a disgrace; he has dragged American politics into the slime and he is a smear on the human race. People like Rove should never be given any power because as soon as they get it, they abuse it. Let's vote this whole gang out of Washington -- they have brought an ugly stink into our lives that we need to clean up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 12/03/2007
- optiquest See Profile I'm a Fan of optiquest permalink

I've figured it out. You liberals just hate GW bush, D Cheney and Karl Rove. Why? Because they beat the pants off your darlings; Al Gore and john Fin Kerry

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 12/03/2007
- PaulDonaldson See Profile I'm a Fan of PaulDonaldson permalink

Feel free to view, save, spread this video around the web:

Karl Rove Lying About Pre-War Congress
http://test.redlasso.com/service/svc/clip/playClip?fid=19057017-9fc0-4a75-896a-71c6cb88de76

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 12/03/2007
- hmmmmmer See Profile I'm a Fan of hmmmmmer permalink

If a monkey passes gas in a jungle and no one is around to hear it does it mean it didn't happen?
Kind of like good ole Rove to twist the actual events hoping like the monkey, no one will notice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 12/03/2007
- NotMyPrez See Profile I'm a Fan of NotMyPrez permalink

It's not some much that Karl doesn't have his points here- but the fact remains he doesn't address what HE SAID.

Backpeddle porky! Backpeddle ya turdblossom!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 12/03/2007
- Mark701 See Profile I'm a Fan of Mark701 permalink

The point of his lies is to ensure that the last 25% of hardcore Republicans don't become the last 10%. He knows damn well no one else will ever believe him. And his argument agains't the facts " I was in the middle of the White House and I saw these comments.." is unmitigated bullshit. Haven't we all heard this crap before namely from people like Cheney who purported to have inside information (that he never revealed to anyone)that justified an attack on Iraq? Lie, lies, and more damned lies!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 12/03/2007
- jashu51 See Profile I'm a Fan of jashu51 permalink

And since Rove talked about how Ari didn't have access to "privileged" information inside the WH like he did, Van Hollen should have asked him about what Pigboy knew about Valerie Plame and Chimpy's and the Dark Lord's roles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 12/03/2007
- jashu51 See Profile I'm a Fan of jashu51 permalink

Didn't they make a biographical movie about Roverer (his original family name) in 2002 with Paul Giamatti as title lead and that kid from "Malcolm in the Middle"? It was called "BIG FAT LIAR".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 12/03/2007
- skateboy30 See Profile I'm a Fan of skateboy30 permalink

The problem with the argument that Ari Fleischer is calling you a liar is that it's Ari Fleischer calling you a liar.

I happen to believe Ari on this one though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 12/03/2007
- GeoNorth See Profile I'm a Fan of GeoNorth permalink

I'm thinking that that he's playing a game: "Just how stupid are Americans?" After the 2004 election, we knew the answer was pretty stupid. Now, Turd Blossom wants to see just how far this stupidity can go. It's nice to see that most people won't buy this crap. But it is disheartening to see that there are some who do buy this crap. Ol' Karl will find out who these morons are and exploit them to the fullest, hoping to get some clown in the WH. I'm sure his sights were focused on Rudy until we found out just how crooked this mafia wannabe is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 12/03/2007
- skateboy30 See Profile I'm a Fan of skateboy30 permalink

I can only help but wonder if I would be as big a douchebag as Karl Rove if I found out my father was gay and a pioneer in the genital piercing community.

My guess is probably not because I am a tolerant decent human being.

And did you notice Karl simply resorted to talking over the accuser. Not a very convincing defense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 12/03/2007
- YourMommaWasAMonkey See Profile I'm a Fan of YourMommaWasAMonkey permalink

I'm back!

Oh, and God bless Carl Rove.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 12/03/2007
- wkitwizard See Profile I'm a Fan of wkitwizard permalink

Rove learned that if you sell the Koolaide, make them drink it, then you can tell them up is down, black is white, and good is evil. Simple. Once the "sheeple" follow their master's voice, they'll gladly jump off the cliff-as long as it's not enlisting in the military and actually seeing combat. Cowards have always been bullies and chest-thumpers throughout history. America has been hijacked and taken down a very dark tunnel to
"Karl Rove's Twilight Zone". It's time the citizens of this country get off their asses and kick all the scumbags
out of Washington. Or else, continue to swallow the
Koolade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 12/03/2007
- motherissue See Profile I'm a Fan of motherissue permalink

That this pig (Rove) is not already confined to a cell should convince people that there is and has been a shadow government (CFR) that pulls the strings of puppet politicians and that dictates the parameters of debate in the mainstream media

Order Daniel Estulin's book "The Bilderberg Group" to understand the hierarchy of conspiritors

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 12/03/2007
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