Katherine Heigl On How "Knocked Up" Is Sexist, Ratings Ploys And Mormonism

Vanity Fair   |   December 3, 2007 10:48 AM


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Emmy-winning actress Katherine Heigl tells Vanity Fair contributing editor Leslie Bennetts that she thinks Knocked Up, the movie that catapulted her onto the A-list, is "a little sexist. It paints the women as shrews, as humorless and uptight, and it paints the men as lovable, goofy, fun-loving guys. It exaggerated the characters, and I had a hard time with it, on some days. I'm playing such a bitch; why is she being such a killjoy? Why is this how you're portraying women? Ninety-eight percent of the time it was an amazing experience, but it was hard for me to love the movie."

In her own life Heigl is an assertive, impatient go-getter who quickly tired of waiting for her boyfriend [singer-songwriter Josh Kelley] to propose and demanded to know what his intentions were. She even went and picked out the diamond for her ring. "I'm not really a first-move kind of gal," she says. "I'm one of those women who always thinks it's better to play it cool and keep them wanting more, but I really threw myself at him. I broke all the rules."

Heigl says she doesn't have any "grand illusions about marriage. I think it's a crapshoot. The odds are really bad, especially in this town. But I have a lot of faith in Josh, and I wanted to have that one day when I stand in front of my friends and my family and honor him and how important he is in my life. My career is really important to me, but there have to be other great, important things in your life besides work."

When Heigl's Grey's Anatomy character, Izzie Stevens, began an affair with her married best friend on the show this season, Heigl became concerned about her character's seemingly uncharacteristic actions. "That was kind of a big change for Izzie, wasn't it, after she was so up on her moral high ground. They really hurt somebody, and they didn't seem to be taking a lot of responsibility for it. I have a really hard time with that kind of thing. I'm maybe a little too black-and-white about it. I don't really know Izzie very well right now. She's changed a lot. I'm trying to figure her out and keep her real."

Heigl is well aware of the commercial considerations that often drive such decisions. "It was a ratings ploy," she tells Bennetts. "It was absolutely something that shocked people; it wasn't predictable, and people didn't see it coming. It's our fourth season; there's not a lot of spontaneity left. And business is business; I understand that, but I want there to be some cooperation between the business end and the creative end, so there's some way of keeping it real."

Heigl's star is certainly on the rise: her movie price has risen to $6 million from the $300,000 she got for Knocked Up, according to a source involved with the production.

Other highlights of the interview include:

ON THE MORMON INFLUENCE IN HER FAMILY'S LIFE AFTER HER BROTHER'S DEATH:
"A couple of Mormon families were a great comfort [after the death of her brother when Heigl was 7 years old]. Both my parents felt a great desire for answers, and they found an answer in the Mormon church--or answers they could live with, anyway, because there really are none. I didn't really understand death, so it was very confusing for me. The worst part was watching the devastation of my family. They weren't the same people anymore. Everything was kind of a mess for a while. It wasn't like Ordinary People, where it destroyed that family so badly that there was never finding any joy or loving or appreciating being alive again. But I give my parents unbelievable credit for pulling it together, and I give the Mormon church a lot of credit for helping them to do that."

ON HER OLD-FASHIONED VALUES:
"I ... didn't want to live together before we were married. I still have enough Mormon in me--not a lot, but enough--that I wanted to keep that a little bit sacred."

ON HER CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH HER MOTHER:
"I talk to my mother every day, and I've always felt the need to defend or excuse my relationship with my mother. The men in my life can feel, I should be more important in your life than your mother. A lot of men would have problems with that relationship, but Josh is unbelievably mature. He's really wise and really grounded. He was the first man in my life I could go to with a problem and feel confident that he would help me find a solution. For my mother, Josh is a relief, because at the end of the day, any good parent wants you to be happy, and Josh makes me happy. I laugh a lot more. I'm not as stressed out. My burden is lightened."

ON FINDING HAPPINESS:
"As women, we have more of a tendency to be people-pleasers, and I know a lot of women who are not vocal about what makes them happy. I was like that in my early 20s, but not anymore. I spent a lot of time not being clear about who I was and what was important to me. It's easy to be taken advantage of if you're not honest. I knew that dance of trying to please a man, trying to guess what they want you to be, and I got really tired of that, really confused and frustrated. I decided I was sick of trying to figure out what everybody else wanted, and I should just decide what I want, and be honest, and not spend all my time guessing. Josh is the first serious relationship I've ever had where I was like, This is me. From the moment I met him, I said, This is what I want and what I need."

The January issue of Vanity Fair hits newsstands in New York and Los Angeles December 5 and nationally December 11.

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- MaxZook See Profile I'm a Fan of MaxZook permalink

"Katherine Heigl Clarifies Knocked Up Remarks", from People magazine:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20165062,00.html

And next week she'll be quoted in Entertainment Weekly clarifying her People magazine remarks.

And HuffPost will have links to all of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 12/07/2007
- Veronica See Profile I'm a Fan of Veronica permalink

To all the "Judd Apatow will never again work with this ungrateful skank" people on this board, is it possible, you think, that Apatow might just be OK with a woman or anyone else he's worked with expressing a non-sycophantic opinion? Jesus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 AM on 12/07/2007
- Counterglow See Profile I'm a Fan of Counterglow permalink

Ms. Heigl seems to be intelligent, well-spoken and reasonable. I think, though, that she needs to examine her views on how the sexes are portrayed in the media.

Is there anyone who doesn't know at least one woman (probably more) who is the real-world spitting image of the role she plays in "Knocked Up"?

Apparently it's OK to stereotype men in a variety of unflattering ways in movies, TV shows, commercials (Whining: "Honey, my throat hurts") and general conversation, but to even hint that women have traits that can be lampooned isn't PC.

Sorry, Ms. Heigl, but sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 12/05/2007
- MaxZook See Profile I'm a Fan of MaxZook permalink

How do you get on the cover of Vanity Fair?

1. Be gorgeous.
2. Say something controversial or "edgy".

Heigl has it nailed for #1, but since she wasn't a victim of child abuse (Teri Hatcher) or a mean but gorgeous ex (Jennifer Aniston), or ready to admit using drugs to everyone's shock and surprise (Lindsay Lohan), she had to come up with *something* to justify #2.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 12/05/2007
- WilliamWallace See Profile I'm a Fan of WilliamWallace permalink

She was ok with the checks coming in though ;) "Sexism" appears relative to Heigl.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 AM on 12/05/2007
- mamacat See Profile I'm a Fan of mamacat permalink

Ms. Heigl seems to me to be candid, smart, and moral. A rare combination. Her struggle to understand her characters comes across as a struggle to understand her characters' choices and responsibilities. I think that if Ms. Spears had a fraction of Ms. Heigl's good sense, it would serve her very well.
I do not understand the attacks on Ms. Heigl's character, although I am a little tired of her being cast as someone dumber than she is in real life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 12/04/2007
- tkondaks See Profile I'm a Fan of tkondaks permalink

"Knocked Up" is one of my all-time favorite movies. And despite the chauvenism Hegl mentions, it is probably the best pro-family movie that's come out in the last 10 years. Imagine this: a beautiful woman gets pregnant from a man who has nothing in common with her, has no prospects, is an illegal alien, and infuriates her at every step, yet she decides to keep the baby, even though it is perceived that it will interfere with her career.
My favorite scene: the one in which Harold Ramis plays Seth Rogan's father and tells his son: life doesn't care about your plans...and: you were a mistake, too, but you were the best thing that ever happened to me, etc.
Great, great movie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 12/04/2007
- Madmac See Profile I'm a Fan of Madmac permalink

If it's so sexist, then don't do the fracking role.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 12/04/2007
- ElectroJones See Profile I'm a Fan of ElectroJones permalink

Wow. Talk about shrill and unpleasant. This interview is a career damaging interview, if not a near career ender. No straight man watches Grey's Anatomy; at least no straight man I know. Her success depends on the kindness of people like Apatow casting her in roles that aren't Mormon dipshit roles. It's ridiculous for this semi talent to start biting the hand that feeds her chipmunk cheeks.

Well, the only thing I've ever seen her in has been Knocked Up, and given Apatow's tendency to cast the same actors over and over, I thought she'd work with him again, but I'd be disappointed in him if he casts this ungrateful skank in another movie. Sayonara, Kathy. Nice seeing you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 12/04/2007
- bbln See Profile I'm a Fan of bbln permalink

I appreciate Heigl's comments;I hardly ever hear the word "sexist" anymore because men don't know what it is or how it feels to be the object of sexism and evaluate it as some sort of "urban myth" and women don't know how to discuss it, especially in mixed company, without coming across as irrational shrews.

Anyway, the women in Knocked Up were not credible, and didn't have any motivations that seemed realistic from a woman's standpoint. At least being funny, easy-going, stoner, and ultimately responsible family man showed a multi-dimensional character arc for the men, whereas the women did play as one-dimensional shrews. Bravo to Heigl for calling it out, and here's to hoping that some writer/director upon reading this will think twice about one-D women characters before committing it to film.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 AM on 12/04/2007
- chrislarry See Profile I'm a Fan of chrislarry permalink

From the quote below how could anyone think guys might view women as shrill and annoying....?

Apatow rulz, Hiegel drulz

"In her own life Heigl is an assertive, impatient go-getter who quickly tired of waiting for her boyfriend [singer-songwriter Josh Kelley] to propose and demanded to know what his intentions were. She even went and picked out the diamond for her ring."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 12/04/2007
- ChiGuy See Profile I'm a Fan of ChiGuy permalink

Tall, deep, sultry voice, smart, and strikingly beautiful.

The total package.

Lindsay who?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 12/03/2007
- unclebucky See Profile I'm a Fan of unclebucky permalink

Listen.

I can vouch for the fact that some of the services that Mormons (LDS) provide are helpful to others.

* Family
* Business
* Employment

Gee, they are so nice.

Just don't turn your back. They will try to baptize you. All you have to say is read James 1:5 where it says, "If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all men generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him." Mormons often appeal to this verse in asking people to pray about the Book of Mormon to see if it's true.

Ain't that nice? Then you are hooked and they reel you in. All because you saw a nice commercial and took advantage of free services.

Mmmm hmmm!

Ugh.

--UB.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 12/03/2007
- epotruchyeahright See Profile I'm a Fan of epotruchyeahright permalink

Her Mormon comments, however, are about the sanest comments I've heard from a Mormon in my life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 12/03/2007
- epotruchyeahright See Profile I'm a Fan of epotruchyeahright permalink

I don't think Judd Apatow -- or Seth Rogen, her co-star, now a producer himself -- will be casting her anytime soon. Too bad, she's pretty talented, and beautiful too.
As for her conduct and her attitude -- men who have never had any experience with actors, musicians, artist-types, have no real idea what it's like. Guys like the sexiness of a woman in the biz, but those women are so driven and so obsessed with success in that regard, that the biz becomes a third party in the relationship (which is supposed to be a third entity unto itself, so now it's a foursome!). Most of the women I've dated in the industry can't find the time to be dedicated girlfriends, wives, mothers -- which is one reason why so many of those relationships never last. If you look at marriages between actresses and non-business husbands, some of those actually work because the husbands have their own lives separate from their wives. On the other hand, long-term marriages between actors rarely work. Paul Newman/Joanne Woodward or Hume Cronyn/Jessica Tandy are one example. Michelle Pfeiffer and David E. Kelley is another.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 12/03/2007
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