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Joe Wilson Rips Obama, Ignites Debate Over Candidates' Experience

December 21, 2007 04:19 PM


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Writing on the Huffington Post today, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Clinton for president, took one of the hardest swipes to date at Sen. Barack Obama's foreign policy credentials.

Pivoting off a Thursday article in the London Times, Wilson argues that Obama's "intuitive grasp" of the world is no match for his lack of travel and "dearth" of international experience.

"Intuition may be a laudable quality among psychics and palm readers," the Ambassador writes, "but for a professional American diplomat like myself, who have spent a career toiling in the vineyards of national security, it has no relevance to serious discussion of foreign policy. In fact, Obama's supposed "intuitive sense" is no different from George W. Bush's 'instincts' and 'gut feeling' describing his own foreign policy decision-making. We have been down this road before."

Wilson's criticism is uniquely sharp and reflects a growing acrimony between the Democratic frontrunners as the primary season nears its end. In the past, Clinton allies have been more inclined to play up their candidate's strengths (noting, often, her experience as first lady), rather than point out the competition's weaknesses.

To be sure, Clinton herself has called Obama's promise to talk with dictators "naïve", and asserted that his childhood in Indonesia did not qualify as a diplomatic credential. In his post, Wilson repeats these critiques, but also takes them a step further, noting, as the London Times did, that as chairman of the Senate European subcommittee, Obama failed to convene a single policy meeting and made only one official visit to London, none to Western Europe.

But Obama's lack of travel to that region of the world has been, to a certain extent, offset by fact-finding explorations elsewhere. As noted first by Steve Clemons on the Washington Note, in 2005, the Senator went to Russia and toured several post-Soviet countries, working with Sen. Richard Lugar, R-IN, on issues of nuclear proliferation. In 2006, he traveled through the Middle East, including tours of Iraq and Israel. That same year he ventured to Africa, where he had his much-discussed homecoming in Kenya. And, despite traveling only once to London, Obama has met at least three times with then-Prime Minister Tony Blair.

The argument put forward by Wilson underscores, for many, a far greater debate being waged on the periphery of the presidential campaign: what constitutes the foundations of a good foreign policy, intuition or experience?

For certain, both campaigns have operated within this frame, with Obama frequently touting his autobiographical details and Bill Clinton going so far as to contrast his wife's "35 years" of experience to Obama's "one year" in office prior to running for the White House.

Clemons, writing for both the Huffington Post and the Washington Note, weighed in on this issue a few days ago, arguing that Obama wasn't lacking experience but merely had a different frame of reference.

I want to be clear to friends on all sides of this political campaign that I know Barack Obama has international experience, but it is not wrong to note that there are deficits in the profiles of the people we are considering to live in the White House... If I'm being asked to support Obama because of innate instinct, I refuse. I would say the same about Hillary Clinton if asked. What we need to know about all of these potential candidates is not only how they operate and work but what the basis of their experience is.

While Fareed Zakaria, writing at Newsweek, put forth the argument that one's identity serves as an instrumental, almost irreplaceable, role in crafting foreign policy, thereby benefiting Obama.

Hillary's case is obvious and perfectly defensible. She's been involved in foreign policy for eight years in the White House (though in a sideways fashion as First Lady) and then seven years as a senator. Most of the Democratic Party's blue-chip foreign-policy advisers support her. Plus, she has Bill... Obama's argument is about more than identity. He was intelligent and prescient about the costs of the Iraq War. But he says that his judgment was formed by his experience as a boy with a Kenyan father--and later an Indonesian stepfather--who spent four years growing up in Indonesia, and who lived in the multicultural swirl of Hawaii... I never thought I'd agree with Obama.

In the end, the travel and foreign policy records of Clinton and Obama may prove over-scrutinized. As Clemons notes, the differences between the Democrats pale in comparison to those that exist between Democrats and Republicans.

"Hillary is on Armed Service Committee and has traveled all over the world," Clemons told the Huffington Post. "Barack has been an attentive member of the Foreign Relations Committee. There are differences between them but they are 10 to 15 percent difference. Whereas, the differences between the Obama or Hillary and Rudy [Giuliani] or [Mike] Huckabee are a 40 to 60 percent difference, just a staggering jump."

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- knowhelpnow See Profile I'm a Fan of knowhelpnow permalink

Yea we need experience in the Administration, we have been living with experience for the last 8 years what has it gotten us. Just cut the crap out and tell us what YOU as a President is going to do and how you plan to do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 12/25/2007
- wmholt See Profile I'm a Fan of wmholt permalink

Belief in positive principles, good character, strength in defending those principles, and caring for one's fellow man is what I am looking for in a President. I dare say that many people posting on this blog, who have zero foreign policy experience, would have been better Presidents than George W. Bush.

When you think about it, Bush also had zero foreign policy experience. It seems that he was elected on the basis of his lack of principles and his flawed character. His business backers knew that he didn't have the experience, but he had the mind-set that he was willing to do whatever it took to help business and screw the little guy. That was all that was needed, a criminal mind-set.

I am still undecided, and will be watching these candidates closely for signs of "business-as-usual" in their campaigns. As for experience, I've seen too many extremely experienced Washington tools incapable of stating that waterboarding is torture.

A child knows that the end does not justify the means. Unfortunately, many adults do not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 12/25/2007
- lovethesinner See Profile I'm a Fan of lovethesinner permalink

Joe Wilson goes on a fact finding mission for Cheney, returns, and writes a piece in the New York Times entitled "What I Didn't Find In Africa." On his fact finding mission for Billary what he didn't find was a whip, or, (ironically) the significance of Africa.

As a recently converted Republican, he's probably unused to looking at the really big picture. The one where America fits into the world, not on top of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 12/25/2007
- RaiderGreg See Profile I'm a Fan of RaiderGreg permalink

Obama is the 'gotcha' candidate of the scheming Rovian Right Wing. They are just daring the progressives of this country to deny him the nomination based on his unelectability as an African-American Male. Fom what I see in the media, he is SO much cooler than Hillary--I'd love to give him a chance.
But his problem is so sensitive that nobody wants to mention it. Wait till he is nominated next summer and that is ALL you will hear the media chatter about. This 'cocaine' crap is just the tip of the iceberg. Would someone with the proper access to databases and enough time on their hands research the growing number of rightwing pundits who have written columns favorable to Obama? Broder and Brookes wrote about him last week. None of these guys will vote for any democratic candidate in NOvember, so why are they so interested in Obama? And how many of these Hillary-hating, Obam-loving bloggers are neocons playing the same game?

The rightwing has used us progressives to maintain power through two elections now--Nader in 2000 and Gay marriage in 2004. No doubt they have a few schemes planned for 2008, but if they can get Obama nominated, I'm afraid that's all they will need to get one or more key swing states to maintain their power

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 12/25/2007
- macphilms See Profile I'm a Fan of macphilms permalink

Both Hillary and Obama are first-term senators. Obama's experience in the rough-and-tumble world of Illinois politics outweighs Hillary's First Lady "experience," which puts her not a par with Obama but with Laura Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 12/25/2007
- leftLibertarian See Profile I'm a Fan of leftLibertarian permalink

The real Hillary Clinton is a War Monger who voted for the Iraq war and the Patriot Act.

If you value liberty and want America to mind its own business, Ron Paul is your candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 12/25/2007
- Iimbalayo See Profile I'm a Fan of Iimbalayo permalink

I not voting for Hillary because:
She plans to increase H1B visa'a
She supports NAFTA
Her Husband put more Blacks in jail than any other president
I have voted White all my life, and look where we are, NOWHERE!
Illegal immigration is is equal to ECONOMIC GENOCIDE in the Black Community!
20% of the progressive vote is Black!
Never in the history of this country has the majority of Whites voted Black on any national campaign
I am not voting for Hillary!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 12/25/2007
- Claisen See Profile I'm a Fan of Claisen permalink

One of the things that most troubles me about Obama is he is very calculating in a way that is very self-serving and insidious. I think that Hillary is calculating also, but at least you can pretty much see her for what she is, she pretty much wears her heart on her sleave. But for Obama, I think that he gets away with it (compared to Hillary) because he is so good at hiding his true self. I'm certainly not inspired by Obama ever since he came into the scene. "Uneasy" is the best adjective to describe Obama's candidacy.

Prime example is his absence of vote on the Iran issue recently as a fresh US Senator. Then he has the galls to criticize other candidates on their vote when he himself failed to cast one of the most important Middle East policy.

Obama claims that his being right on the Iraq War gives him special qualities that other candidates lack. Excuse me? Most of the Democrats in the US, and the majority of the population in the world were 'right' on the Iraq War. Obama wasn't in the US Senate to cast the 'authorization vote', so he could claim whatever he wants - I'm sure if the tide changed, he would be singing a different tune now. And even if Obama could've voted for the war, he would have most likely dodged it.


I don't think those are the qualitites of a president.

There are some issues that I don't agree with all the major candidates; but at least they VOTED for what they think is the best thing. There is no such thing as easy decisions in life, and avoiding voting is a cop out.

And I also believe that using cocaine matters as a teenager. It doesn't matter if Edwards, Huckabee or Hillary admitted using cocaine, everyone has a right to question it without being branded a racist/smear'ist' etc.

I also think that it is Obama's plan to have this huge confrontation with Hillary - it is the only way he knew he could get publicity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 12/25/2007
- disgusted48 See Profile I'm a Fan of disgusted48 permalink

This country is in a mess. We need serious and thoughtful approaches to the challenges we face in energy and resource management, social security, health care, when and why we will go to war, global warming control, infrasture maintenace, education, etc, etc, etc. We need an intelligent approach, we need a leader, not business as usual. the congress is incapable of leading, we need vision and intelligence in the white house. Obama 2008.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 12/24/2007
- imsosure See Profile I'm a Fan of imsosure permalink

Here's what the experienced one's have given us.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 12/24/2007
- rh654 See Profile I'm a Fan of rh654 permalink

Joe - were you against Bill Clinton's run against George HW Bush?

After all Bill didn't have jack for experience compared to Bush - and the Democrats all said it didn't matter.

Why have so many Clinton Supporter Democrats suddenly "seen the light" and believe that experience is so vital?

And if it is so important - exactly what are Hillary's qualifications other than she was married to a President and shook a lot of hands - oh yeah - and failed so horribly at health care that she was banished from leading any more charges?

Plus - I am not sure I want to trust the country to someone who can't keep their own spouse in line, that's for sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 12/24/2007
- ginnypoo See Profile I'm a Fan of ginnypoo permalink

Bush is clueless about how the government works and it shows...do we REALLY need another on-the-job-trainee as President. If everything they say about Barrack is true, it will still be true in a few years. No more naive, pliable, trainees in the White House. No more. At this point in his career Barrack is all hat-no cattle, he needs experience and seasoning. He has only served part of one term, all this talk of him becoming President is very premature in my opinion. He has not proven himself some great leader, he has been a good team player but hasn't come out with some groundbreaking solution to anything. Shouldn't he DO SOMETHING first, before you turn over the country to him. Biden, Clinton and Richardson have records to look at, Barrack has missed alot of votes being too busy campaigning, and it's his first term, he won't even have a record if he misses everything because he is too busy applying for a new job. Call me old fashioned, but, I think you should be in a job long enough to actually learn it before you move up to the next level, otherwise you won't be a good leader of the ones you moved up from. Haven't we had enough of seasoned pros taking advantage of the unseasoned new guy, I know I have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 12/24/2007
- plutorage See Profile I'm a Fan of plutorage permalink


Geo. Bush didn't follow his "gut instincts" as Joe Wilson uses the terms in a derisory comparison to Obama. Bush did what his lobbyists wanted. Cheney wanted Bush to meet with Chechen terrorists first thing on taking office in 2001. you can see the picture on the front page of the New York times. Why does the NY Times devote a front page picture to Geo. Bush meeting with a terrorist?? Because the terrorist lives in an oil rich territory of interest to Cheney and his buddies. Well, consorting with terrorists has its problems, as Bush found out barely 6 months later.

Hilary, not Obama, is most likely to make this kind of mistake because she is a lobbyist driven candidate whereas Obama tends to be more independent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 12/24/2007
- booker52 See Profile I'm a Fan of booker52 permalink

Joe Wilson may back Hillary, but she is not more suited to the office of president then Obama. Biden, Dodd, and Richardson are the men suited for this office, but they are in the second runners for this office. Too bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 12/24/2007
- Dontbushme See Profile I'm a Fan of Dontbushme permalink

Obama is the most qualified of any of the candidates because he got to where he is by Who he is as a person. No pundit, no husband, no "inevitability." America saw him perform and said we like this guy. That's qualification! Can't you recognize a natural leader when one comes along? And isn't that the kind of man or woman we need?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 12/24/2007
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