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New Hampshire Polling Fiasco Not Unique In History

January 10, 2008 04:45 PM


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So the polling industry, and the reporters who religiously follow it, got their predictions wrong. What was expected to be an easy victory for Sen. Barack Obama in the New Hampshire primary turned instead into a dramatic win for Sen. Hillary Clinton.

But if the failures of predictive surveying and journalists who buy into it came as a shock, it shouldn't have. Long before the unforeseen results of the 2008 New Hampshire Democratic primary, pollsters had numerous shortcomings just as glaring.

A month before the 1996 presidential campaign, Bob Dole went from trailing Bill Clinton by 17 points to being just 2 points behind a week later. In the end, however, he ended up losing by 9 points.

Four years later, a similar occurrence. In the weeks before voting took place in the 2000 election, CNN sponsored two separate polls, with two very different findings, both released on the same day. The first, a CNN/USA Today/Galllup poll, showed George Bush 13 percentage points ahead of Al Gore - 52 to 39 percent. Two hours later, CNN/Time released a poll showing Bush's lead at 6 percent. Keating Holland, the station's polling director said, at the time, the two findings were "statistically in agreement."

In mid-September 2004, a Gallup poll found Sen. John Kerry trailing Bush by 14 percentage points. But the poll, it turned out, was greatly weighted to GOP voters, assuming that 40 percent of voters on election day would be Republicans and only 33 percent Democrats. Historically, this was off. In the previous two presidential cycles, Democrats accounted for 39 percent of voters.

The same inaccuracies have been seen in non-presidential races. In November 1998, several pre-election surveys proved drastically off-the-mark. Ten days before the election, Wisconsin Sen. Russ Feingold was tracked as losing to Rep. Mark Neumann, 43 percent to 46 percent. Feingold wound up winning by two percent. That same year, in the Minnesota gubernatorial race, Hubert Humphrey III was trouncing Jesse Ventura 35 to 27 percent just three days before the election. "The Body," however, prevailed. And in his victory speech he tellingly declared: "[My fellow governors] can learn from me that the American dream is still alive. They can learn from me: Don't ever believe the polls."

Despite these repeated blunders, pollsters say they have had more successes than misses. In New Hampshire 2008, they point to the GOP race as evidence of getting it right. "Most primary polls have been accurate. This is unusual to have every poll show the same thing and turn out wrong," Frank Newport, Editor in Chief of the Gallup Poll, told the Huffington Post.

Moreover, some of the responsibility rests on the shoulders of the journalists to make sure that the shortcomings of these polls are accurately reported. And indeed, in the wake of the debacle in New Hampshire, political reporters (including those at the Huffington Post) have been forced to engage in a bit of self-flagellation. Writing for Politico John F. Harris and Jim VandeHei today declared:

"New Hampshire sealed it. The winner was Hillary Rodham Clinton, and the loser -- not just of Tuesday's primary but of the 2008 campaign cycle so far -- was us.

"'Us' is the community of reporters, pundits and prognosticators who so confidently -- and so rashly -- stake our reputations on the illusion that we understand politics and have special insight that allows us to predict the behavior of voters."

Of course, explanations are also needed. And following New Hampshire there have been many. White voters, it was theorized, were not honest with pollsters when they said they would support Obama - hoping not to appear as if they wouldn't back an African-American candidate. Independents showed up beyond expected numbers and those who did sided disproportionately and unexpectedly with Sen. John McCain. Clinton's placement on the ballot benefited her more than Obama. Something fraudulent occurred. Democratic pollster Peter Hart, even offered an Occam's Razor-like rationalization: "What it really comes down, in my estimation, is, they stopped polling too soon."

All these explanations, however, do little to prepare reporters to avoid making the same mistakes in the future. And in this regard, experts note, there are several factors that journalists should take into account when using polls.

In New Hampshire, as elsewhere, the response rate to the surveys was extremely low. By one estimate, 80 percent of those called by the pollsters simply did not participate. Who is most likely to do this? Those who either are too busy, too uninterested, have only a cell phone, or are too uninformed. There is no way to be sure how these people would have voted. And pollsters insist that their participation in surveys would not generally affect the results.

"What really matters is, are the people we are not able to complete the interview with substantially different in their political attitudes then those who we do reach," said Newport. "Is there some reason that this small group we have is not representative of the larger group we are trying to estimate? And data shows that the people who don't answer don't seem to be substantially different than those who do."

And yet, it remains significant that a huge portion of the population, for one reason or another, is never weighed into the polls conducted. This group rarely gets mentioned by the press. Undecided voters also receive a disproportionately small amount of scrutiny. According to Jennifer Donahue of the New Hampshire Institute of Politics, nearly half of New Hampshire Democratic voters had yet to choose a candidate just days before the vote. This figure, which is well above the percent of votes received by any candidate, Republican or Democrat, was readily available but routinely ignored.

Those reporting on the polls, Donahue told the Huffington Post, should have noted prominently that "half the Democratic electorate is still undecided. The race is still wide open."

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Well, the New Hampshire results were in. Ron Paul: 0 votes recorded. Wait, ummmm... a few blog posts later and New Hampshire had to change the recorded and reported totals giving Ron Paul votes. Seems there had been a "mistake" where election officials marked zero votes on the official returns. And not in just one case.

What do we call election officials who officially report inaccurate vote totals? Corrupt. That is what we call them. And the system that is supposed to guarantee accurate counts? Corrupt.

And then the exit polls are wrong. Stunning. Exit polls used everywhere in the world, accurately, to determine whether vote fraud occurs or not. Now, exit polls can be off by a few percentage points. When the results are off by thirteen percent, the jig is up. Vote count fraud. Just as in Ron Paul's case. The vote counters? Corrupt.

As Americans, we all want "our" favorite candidate to win. Not "their" favorite candidate. There are those who rabidly defend "unusual" results indicating fraud because "our" candidate won. What happens when the fraud occurs again, and it not "your" candidate that won, but "theirs"? That is what will happen.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_bruce_o__080110_obama_clinton_3a_remar.htm

Remember Florida in 2000? The results are in, Gore won. Too bad those results were determined in 2004. And then their is the Main Stream Media. Why are they so doggedly trying to convince you that paper ballots are bad?

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5529#more-5529

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 01/11/2008

It looks like we have a few Diebold employees posting here today, LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 01/11/2008
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"NH-approved Diebold voting machines, controlling 81% of NH vote counts, proven untrustworthy in study after study" -- from "Democracy for NH" website

I'm not saying that the Clinton election outcome was rigged. I'm just saying that voters would have much more confidence and trust in election outcomes if we got rid of these electronic voting machines and reverted back to using paper ballots, at least until electronic voting machines can be proven to be 100% reliable and be able to produce a verifiable paper trail as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 AM on 01/11/2008

Stop whining.

If you don't think your vote will be counted, don't vote. Nobody will miss you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 01/11/2008

This election was rigged.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 01/11/2008

Oh I see, this was a polling fiasco, and the 2 percent exit polls that you liberals used to justify your "stolen election" gibberish in Florida was right on. Pathetic
Preemptive impeachment of her thighness is in order.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 01/11/2008

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"Undecided voters also receive a disproportionately small amount of scrutiny. According to Jennifer Donahue of the New Hampshire Institute of Politics, nearly half of New Hampshire Democratic voters had yet to choose a candidate just days before the vote."

EXACTLY! The polls weren't wrong, they were misinterpreted. What happened is obvious: Hillary picked up a large portion of the 40% of people who were still undecided.

It's not a big mystery - can't understand why the pundants are puzzeled.

Why they mostly went for Hillary is the question, and it may be that New Hampshire people want experience, or are more familar with her...who knows?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 01/11/2008

In order to correlate exit polls and hand counts with machine counts, you have to know what time of day the exit polls were taken -- commuters for example, would vote very early or very late. Were they over or under represented in exit polls?
There are enough open questions that there should be a follow-up on the vote, but it may just be that even though many people are evidently uncomfortable with Sen. Clinton, the other candidates have not persuaded enough people that they are better candidates. The results suggest that a large block of people waited, hoping that they could be persuaded to switch from Clinton, but they finally resigned themselves to voting for her. I don't think we have such a fine crop of candidates. The best ones are no longer running or are now rendered marginal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 01/10/2008
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And so, do you begin to see how people are bought-in to the myth that our human sciences are near-omniscient? They rent their clothes, cut off their hair and smear ashes on their face because they can not reconcile that 'scientific statistical surveys' could let them down!

See a pattern here with a few other issues? (geology, re: earthquakes, nuke storage; global warming and the ability of technology to render it harmless; electronic digital voting, re: oh no problems likely here!) Fact is, there will ALWAYS be pockets of the population that NEVER get surveyed for various reasons.

The only real reason for these predictions is simple: waiting all this out, for the rest of the country would be too tedious for the human species which has to always try to figure out where we are on the map (even if we can't actually read the map or the landscape) -- it's our nature!

And,I dare anyone to say there's no joy in "reading the tealeaves" on some kind of level. Come on, admit it, it's fun and part of the ritual. Just as much as the media-heads perennially being amazed by any and all mis-predictions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 01/10/2008

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5530
Kucinich asks for NH recount

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 01/10/2008

Dennis Kucinich has just asked for a RECOUNT of the New Hampshire voting results.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 01/10/2008

Kucinich just called for a recount of NH!!!! I LOVE DENNIS!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 01/10/2008

Get rid of ALL machines (Diebold/Premier/ES&S/ Hart/scan/optical machines). All votes to be on PAPER stuck in a box by voters who have written in/chosen their candidates. To be counted in front of multipartisan panels of citizens (most precincts small enough to allow this). Then for the chain of transmission to be subject to verifiable "CHAIN OF CUSTODY" protocols, verified by ALL parties involved.
Why can't this country do this? It is done by the countries we trust to have fair elections. We used to be the leaders in this, why not any more? Oh yes, Rove & Co.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 01/10/2008

The race is still wide open. First we fix the voting system. Otherwise, hello, Prez Huckabee? Is that what we want?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 01/10/2008

There was NO Polling Problem.... there was a problem of idiot pundits and talking heads interpreting the polls.

The polls predicted Obama would get 36% of the vote. He did. The polls were right.

Those analyzing the polls for the MSM ignored the soft support for Edwards and the large number of undecideds who evidently broke for Clinton on primary day.

!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 01/10/2008
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