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As McCain Rises, Democrats Grow Concerned

January 15, 2008 12:56 PM


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With Sen. John McCain aiming for victory in today's Michigan primary, concern is rising within Democratic circles that the Arizona Republican may in fact end up the GOP presidential nominee.

McCain poses unique challenges to the Democratic Party. His reputation in the media as a political "maverick" and his streak of fiscal conservatism make him appealing to the country's independent voting block. His willingness to address global warming and crusade against special interests make him more than tolerable for some Democrats. And his vehement support for the Iraq war, and the surge that accelerated America's military involvement, obscure some of the consternation with which his fellow conservatives have traditionally greeted him.

In a hypothetical general election match-up, political observers note, this portfolio - not to mention McCain's inspiring personal story - could be a foil for a White House race long thought to be ripe for the Democrat's taking.

"From the honest Democratic perspective," Tad Devine a Democratic strategist with D&D Media told the Huffington Post, "it is just a simple fact that should John McCain emerge as the consensus GOP nominee, he will be very formidable."

Just to consider McCain the GOP frontrunner is a testament to the deft political skills he would bring to the general election battle. Six months ago, McCain saw his campaign disintegrate under financial mismanagement and strategic miscalculations. Pundits said he was a dead in the water. Staffers were let go; budgets cut, and McCain himself was delegated to second-tier status.

And yet, as Republican candidates for president failed to take advantage of the open primary, the Arizona Senator climbed his way back into the race and to a surprise victory in the New Hampshire primary.

"He has been through this process before, even in this very election," said Devine. "Being new and different offers appeal, but being tested also has its values. He understands the rigors of running for president."

In winning the Granite State, McCain peeled off his customary support from a vast portion of independent voters. Exit polls showed 37 percent of those who cast a Republican ballot identified themselves as independents. McCain received 40 percent of their support. Observers attributed this broad appeal as having contributing directly to Sen. Barack Obama's loss to Sen. Hillary Clinton in the Democratic contest. There were simply less independent voters over which the Democrats could compete.

And in a general election featuring McCain, analysts foresee a replaying of this very scenario.

"McCain has traditionally had an appeal to independent voters," said Stephen Wayne, a political science professor at Georgetown University. "And since the partisans of each party number in the 30s the independent voters are in a critical position to decide this election. And if Obama ran against McCain they would both run against post-partisan politics. And that would probably increase the number of people who would identify as independents and vote independently. In the end, McCain poses a bigger problem to [Clinton] than he poses to Obama."

Perhaps as a reflection of concern of a McCain candidacy, the Democratic National Committee put out a lengthy PDF file on the Senator following his victory in New Hampshire. Titled, "Is Mac Back?" the piece read:

"John McCain is riding a wave of momentum, but he hasn't shaken the basic problem that plagued his campaign last summer -- his cornerstone strategic decision campaign to ditch the insurgent, maverick image that propelled him in 2000 in favor of an establishment, pro-Bush strategy. The drag shows in his relatively poor showing among NH independents and will dog his campaign as voters who are looking for the independent McCain of 2000 find the 2008 version of John McCain, complete with his new buddy George W. Bush in tow."

Indeed, some Democratic officials say that while McCain poses a political threat, he may be the candidate that most resembles an extension of George Bush's presidency, a proposition that would undoubtedly energize the Democratic base. The Arizona Republican has, they note, moved away from his traditional maverick stance on immigration reform and the Bush tax cuts, in favor of positions more welcomed by conservatives.

"[McCain] was like every Democrat's best friend in the Senate for the first three years of the Bush presidency," said pollster Mark Blumenthal, the editor and publisher of Pollster.com. "And then he got very aggressive in the 04' campaign and particular on the war in the last eight months of so, which is the crucial driving issue among Democrats."

Feeling the need to offer a caveat, Blumenthal then tellingly noted: "But there's always been a sense that he is a little bit more moderate the most Republicans and then there is his personal story... It drives progressive Democrats insane. They find his position on issues abhorring, while other voters tend to focus on personal issues and less on the issues."

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- Cathexis See Profile I'm a Fan of Cathexis permalink

Dems should not be concerned about a McCain candidacy. The GOPs smear tactics will hoist them on their own petard: They painted McCain as a liberal RINO with illegitimnate black babies, during the 2004 primaries. The Christianists, Social Authoritarians, and anti-science wings of the Republican Party dutifully vilified this challenger to the greatness of their W.

And now, they think all that hatred will be forgotten?

I have many "social conservative" friends and the GOP seriously misunderestimates the loathing they still harbor towards McCain. The press loves him. The moderate GOP loves him.

But he will seriously underperform in a general election, when all of the Christianists and Social Authoritarians stay home or only vote down-ticket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 01/16/2008
- Tanouche See Profile I'm a Fan of Tanouche permalink

Heavysole and all you others who believe that JRE is our only viable candidate, esp. vs McCain are right on. When I have written on HP and Salon that America is still not ready for a woman or a black, I have always gotten blasted. ITS THE G..AWFUL TRUTH, but there you have it and BTW, especially HRC who is particularly vile. I am despairing that there is any way to have JRE win the nomination- and am reconciled to the Republicans winning the WH and lots of downline seats. It is unfortunate that the old saying (french) that one has the faults of one's qualities, still applies. THe Democratic party for many years has been the party that has pushed civil rights and woman's rights...BUT that unfortunately has blinded them to the fact that these issues have many, many enemies who want things to go back to the way they were. In America- and in the msm, you dont go far telling people about the elephant in the room. Quite despairing and dispirited.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 01/16/2008
- furion4865 See Profile I'm a Fan of furion4865 permalink

I believe if the race for the White House comes down to a race between Hillary v. McCain, Bloomberg will enter the race and pull a Ross Perot to keep McCain out of the White House. People of goodwill all over this country fully understand that this country won't be able to withstand four more years of Republican rule.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 01/16/2008
- Joeblue See Profile I'm a Fan of Joeblue permalink

I'm voting for the nominee whoever it is, any Democrat that votes for a god damn repukelican should leave the party in discrace! FDR and his cousin Teddy turned out alot different then what people expected, for the good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 01/16/2008
- hugs4u See Profile I'm a Fan of hugs4u permalink

Obama or Edwards can beat McClain, Hillary will lose to McClain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 01/16/2008
- AxelDC See Profile I'm a Fan of AxelDC permalink

Democrats should be concerned. They seem to think that 2008 is a "bye" for them and they can just put in a face and win the election.

Losing in 2008 to McCain is like endorsing tax cuts for the rich, no healthcare, antiHispanic racism, and "100 years in Iraq". Democrats cannot afford to put Clinton up against McCain, as they will not only lose the election, but lose many of the Senate seats that are up for grabs.

Red state Democrats want Obama, because they want a popular leader who will help them grab the 4 open seats and 6 incumbent Senate seats up for grabs. They know that putting Clinton on the ticket puts them on the defensive in a year when the country needs to sweep Bush Republicans to the "dustbin of history".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 01/16/2008
- VivaZapata See Profile I'm a Fan of VivaZapata permalink

If the choice is McCain V. Clinton, Bloomberg will surely run, and he just might win. Although not sure, I might vote for him; never the other two.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 AM on 01/16/2008
- sparkandy See Profile I'm a Fan of sparkandy permalink

There are a lot of people right now who are completely unsure of who they'd vote for. I hear people all around me talking about it. People who have always voted Republican are ready to vote Dem, if the right candidate is nominated. Last election, many people here, and probably in other parts of the country voted AGAINST John Kerry. They hated Bush, but saw him as the lesser of two evils. This time around the Dems, if they're smart, will nominate John Edwards. A lot of people who find McCain attractive find Edwards even more so. As for me, if the Dems nominate Edwards and the Repubs nominate Jesus Christ or the Dalai Lama, I'd take Edwards. There is NO Repub who could beat Edwards in the great undecided parts of the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 AM on 01/16/2008
- sammy333 See Profile I'm a Fan of sammy333 permalink

The undisputable bottomline is this: today, McCain is a dangerous lunatic and a war monger, he is talking about expanding the war, starting another war, taking even more money from the people to expand the army, buy bombs and mines. He does not care about anything else, really. How can people even begin to think favorably of him??

Wake up people.. please..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 01/16/2008
- willo See Profile I'm a Fan of willo permalink


I would love to see McCain get the fascists nomination. That senile old coot would lose to any challenger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 01/15/2008
- nomobull See Profile I'm a Fan of nomobull permalink

GIVE IT A REST MSM

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 01/15/2008
- MichaelCorleone See Profile I'm a Fan of MichaelCorleone permalink

No reason to worry about McCain.

His service in Vietnam is being swiftboated in North Carolina this very week:

Charges of dirty tricks flew once again in South Carolina Tuesday as supporters of Republican Sen. John McCain's campaign described as "absolutely despicable" a flier claiming that he turned his back on fellow prisoners of war in Vietnam.

Meanwhile, Mitt Romney's campaign attacked a McCain mailer that criticized the former Massachusetts governor over charges that one watchdog group called "misleading."

The charges come days before Saturday's GOP primary in South Carolina and reflect the high stakes in an election that several candidates consider crucial.

McCain's campaign, burned in South Carolina eight years ago by inflammatory charges about his personal life, wasted no time in responding to the flier it received Tuesday from what it said was a local newspaper.

The flier featured a cartoon of McCain, a former POW, sitting in a cell and a supposed "fact sheet" accusing him of collaborating with his captors.

The full article at:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/24824.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 01/15/2008
- StillAmused See Profile I'm a Fan of StillAmused permalink



Bring 'im on... Johnny's still trying to wash off the big kiss Junior planted on his pate for supporting his war crimes.

McCain is a burnout who gained his alleged 'foreign relations' expertise at bombing altitude over Vietnam, and he hasn't learned anything since.

Time to reel in the free ride this imbecile's been getting for his stint at the Hanoi Hilton. He wasn't the only one, and it doesn't substitute for a conscience and a functioning frontal lobe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 01/15/2008
- MAC2 See Profile I'm a Fan of MAC2 permalink

Yes we are worried, ah oh late breaking news the McCain straight talk express just took a turn in the Michigan primary. We may need to worry about Mit, Huck, and the old actor guy.................to

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 01/15/2008
- heavysole See Profile I'm a Fan of heavysole permalink

Will the Democratic Party ever wake up?

The Republican Party was trashed, fractured, lost.

So what did they do? How could they win? They knew it would take some work but they did it.

The Republican Party knew they only way a party as morally bankrupt as their own could win was to hand the Demoocratic Party a nominee that was going to be a sure loser.

Enter Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

You pick.

A black man, or a female. Neither will win an election in this country. There are too many people alive today who remember the Civil Rights movement and the bra burning push for the ERA (which never passed BTW). They were there, they remember, they vote.

I'm willing to bet a good 1/2 of the donations Obama received were from Republican interests; they have got to make sure he is nominated.

If Obama wins the nomination all the Republican Party has to do is play a couple white girl asking Barack to "give me a call" commercials a la Harold Ford in 2004 and it's over.

Sorry. The only candidate in the Democratic party that could actually win a national election in this country is John Edwards. A white man.

No matter who gets the democratic nomination he or she will get my vote but I really feel the Democratic Party has failed us by missing the obvious and trying too hard to be "politically correct".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 01/15/2008
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