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Michigan Results Reveal Some Dangerous Trends For Clinton

January 16, 2008 12:04 AM


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The Michigan Democratic primary was on the surface a non-event. The national party has ruled the state's delegation will not be seated. Of the major candidates, only Hillary Clinton was on the ballot, pitted against "uncommitted" in a seemingly meaningless race (she won by 15 percent).

Yet the exit poll results from this strange contest reveal some troubling trends for the New York Senator.

Among men, for example, the battle was neck and neck. Clinton got 47 percent and the anonymous/non-existent opposition got 43 percent. (Clinton did substantially better among women, winning 58-37.)

The opposition was not, however, altogether ethereal. For the most part, voting "uncommitted" was a substitute for casting a ballot for Barack Obama, or for some voters, John Edwards.

Among black voters, Clinton was crushed by "uncommitted," 26-70. If that kind of margin among African Americans continues into future primaries, she faces major problems in the heavily black January 26 South Carolina primary and in the states with large black populations going to the polls on February 5 -- so-called Tsunami Tuesday. Clinton carried whites in Michigan by a 61-30.

Clinton ran poorly among young voters of all races, losing those under the age of 30 by 39-48 percent; splitting voters from 30 to 44 by 46-48 percent; solidly carrying the 45 to 56 age group by 54-34 percent; and winning voters 60 and older by a landslide 67-31 percent.

Clinton continued to do well among the least well-educated voters and those with lower incomes. She carried voters without college degrees by 55-37, but tied among those with college degrees, 46-45. Clinton also won voters making $50,000 or less by 60-34, but tied among those making more, 46-45.

In a warning signal if she becomes the Democratic nominee, Clinton did much better among committed Democrats, winning them 57-37, than among independents, losing them 32-51.

Looking toward the future, the Michigan exit poll demonstrates the viability of the Clinton campaign strategy of winning solid majorities in states that, unlike Michigan and South Carolina, do not allow participation of either Republicans or independents in their "closed" primaries, like the February 5 contests in New York, Connecticut, Colorado and Arizona. Many very large February 5 states, however, including California, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee and Virginia, have open primaries that will give Obama a chance to pull in independent voters.

(To see exit poll data for the Republican race, click here.)

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- BardEric See Profile I'm a Fan of BardEric

But I also think Hillary's vote count in Michigan was at least a small victory..In my area there was a RABID movement to vote uncomitted to send Hillary a message, particularly with Obama supporters.This group was far more motivated to place their uncomitted votes than the Hillary supporters; alot of whom didnt vote BECAUSE they knew she was running uncontested, and she still won the uncomitteds by 15%. So she is right in seeing at least a small victory here.But she'll never take the general election in our state unless she comes here and does some pavement pounding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 01/24/2008
- BardEric See Profile I'm a Fan of BardEric

I am from Michigan, and we are very disenchanted by recent events in our primary. Everyone views our primary irrelevant. Sad when we are suffering one of the worst economies in the nation. Our Auto industry is decimated, factory jobs are leaving in droves.. All because somebody in the states Democratic party decided to move our primary forward, the PEOPLE of this state are being penalized, and we have NO VOICE in the nomination of the Democratic canidate for president. So sad that NONE of the democratic candidates could even bother to vist our state, or fight for us after the Party tied our hands. Sadly, many of my longtime democratic friends are leaning towards Republican candidates who have actually bothered to come here and adress our problems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 01/24/2008
- gallo146 See Profile I'm a Fan of gallo146

BRAVO! Obama is set to speak at Martin Luther King Jr.'s Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta on Sunday, a visit expected to be rich in symbolism coming the day before the King holiday (Atlanta Journal paper)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 01/20/2008
- gallo146 See Profile I'm a Fan of gallo146

At a speech Wednesday before the Hungry Club at the Butler Street YMCA in Atlanta, Reverend Lowery from the SCLC said blacks who doubt Obama's ability to compete are guilty of "a slave mentality."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 01/20/2008
- pbr90 See Profile I'm a Fan of pbr90

It's somewhat troubling that Obama would target Hillary's run as the most opportune time to enter the race, perceiving her candidacy as one inopportune to the Democratic Party, or that his entry would be more unifying than hers.

Illogical as it seems, if a candidate enters to consolidate votes in a divided party, it is not typically one who represents a devisive part of the party rather than a mainstream candidate.

Clearly, Obama cannot consider himself, nor can the party identify him as a mainstream candidate for the purpose of unification or consolidation.

That the party is willing to entertain a wedge candidate in so important an election year when the nation is outraged by George W. Bush is interesting, if not risky.

From other candidates who have not been well received to open debates, it is more a further signal of potential for party deregulation than the manipulation of individual personalities, though it clearly is that as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 01/19/2008
- Norm See Profile I'm a Fan of Norm

Discussing the Michigan primary is a waste of time, as some Michigan voters - and we will never know how many - crossed over and voted Republican in order to have a voice.

Hillary gets to celebrate this primary as a psychological win every time it is discussed. So why don't we just stop discussing it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 01/18/2008
- ChristopherLib See Profile I'm a Fan of ChristopherLib

People voted uncommited if they were for Edwards or Obama so in essance Edwards and Obama combined for 40%. Heck that spin is every bit as compelling as the one put forth by Mr. Edsall here.

Karl Rove was pushing the same crap. I don't think this says much at all about electability. Black voters will vote overwhelmingly for Clinton if she's the nominee, and she'll win young voters as well. Independents will be her biggest challenge, but expect her to easily win Independent women.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 01/17/2008
- ALMAL See Profile I'm a Fan of ALMAL

History knows white heads of state, black heads of state and some women heads of states,
and i realy prefer women.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 01/17/2008
- JackWOrf See Profile I'm a Fan of JackWOrf

This really highlights the IDIOCY of the DNC in ignoring the Michigan primary. Hillary is paying a price for being a CHICKEN SHIRT.

As a Florida Democrat, who is FURIOUS about being ignored by the DNC, I can say that my respect for both Hillary and Obama have SUNK considerably by their GUTLESS COWARDICE against the arrogant commissars of the DNC.

If Hillary had had the GUTS to come to Michigan, a place where Democratic voters are SERIOUSLY HURTING, her popularity would have skyrocketed.

She STILL has some time to show some GUTS here in Florida. Both Obama and Hillary keep blathering about how much they "care". Well how come the (Fword)ing hypocrites don't care that their fellow Democrats are being disenfranched by their own DNC?

Hillary should show some GUTS and come out against the Howard Dean/Donna Brazile IDIOTS who are ignoring two of the most important swing states in the general election.

As a Floridian, the massive STUPIDITY of the DNC overwhelms me!!! I still can not fathom how incredibly STUPID they are!!!

Their "boycott" of MI and FL has also kept the Dems "out of it". For example, after 6 months in Iowa and NH, they all agreed that the number one issue was Iraq.

Now, they are suddenly facing voters in REAL America and they suddenly realize that "its the economy, stupid". I could of told the IDIOTS that 6 months ago, if the IDIOTS were not so busy milking cows in Iowa and calling pigs in South Carolina.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 01/17/2008
- genseric13 See Profile I'm a Fan of genseric13

Dangerous trends? Even if Obama gets every single one of the noncommitted and Edwards got zero, HRC still winds the race in Michigan. Looks like a solid victory; actually Obama is lucky this one wasn't as high profile as it was on the Republican side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 01/17/2008
- anewdaypostdotcom See Profile I'm a Fan of anewdaypostdotcom

Nobody"s second place finish in Michigan

On Tuesday, With no other major candidates names on the ballot, Hillary Clinton was able to get 55% of the vote in the Michigan Democratic primary, but the real story should be the 225,506 + who left their house and went down to their precinct, knowing their state had been striped of its delegates, and voted uncommitted.
When "nobody" runs against her, "nobody" starts with 40%. And "nobody" didn"t even have to campaign. "Nobody" spent no money in this race. "Nobody" didn"t even run one ad. What happens when you add John McCain or Rudy Giuliani in place of "nobody"?
As democrats we have to think long and hard about nominating a candidate who is so divisive. We shouldn"t spend these preciously important years ahead re-fighting old fights or addressing political grudges. If we are what we say we are than we must love our country more than this, and choose a leader who can bring Americans together. Our society"s needs are too great, the time to pivotal, for anything but fundamental change backed by broad-based support from the American people. Senator Obama proved in Iowa that he can get this type of support from Democrats Republicans and Independents, and nobody proved it on Tuesday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 01/17/2008
- texastornado See Profile I'm a Fan of texastornado

Romney steering committee member blocks New Hampshire vote recount
http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2008/01/romney-steering-committee-member-blocks.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 01/16/2008
- Jeffersonian1 See Profile I'm a Fan of Jeffersonian1

Though I'd love it if my state of Virginia was voting on February 5 together with so many others, our primaries (Dem. and Rep.) this year are scheduled for February 12.

Other than that, Edsall's analysis does point to some rather significant structural obstacles for Senator Clinton, both in the nomination contest and, much more troubling, in winning over the voters that the Democratic nominee will need to win the general election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 01/16/2008
- SeanGardner See Profile I'm a Fan of SeanGardner

This should be troubling to Hillary. In fact, Obama is also whipping Hillary with "married women".



    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 01/16/2008
- Justtellthetruth See Profile I'm a Fan of Justtellthetruth

The Michigan primary was NOT a non event.

A LOT of people showed up, despite the knowledge that their vote would literally not count, to vote for NO ONE.

people who run unopposed ought to get 80 to 90 percent of the vote.

BTW, why was SHE on the ballot at all?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 01/16/2008
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