Obama Compares Himself To Reagan, JFK...But Not Bill Clinton

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First Posted: 01-16-08 03:08 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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In an interview Monday with the Reno Gazette-Journal editorial board, Sen. Barack Obama riffed on a range of political topics ranging from Katrina, the home mortgage crisis and, of course, fodder from the campaign trail.

But perhaps the most interesting offering was when he tried to place his candidacy into a historical context. Which elections does Obama see as analogous to 2008? And with which presidents does he share personal similarities? That would be John Kennedy in 1960 (hardly surprising) and Ronald Reagan in 1980 (more daring). But not, it should be noted, Bill Clinton in 1992.

In fact, Obama offered praise for the Gipper, lauding him for tapping into the country's concern with the growth and "excesses" of the federal government, and its desire to "return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship" -- hardly a welcomed interpretation within progressive circles. Said the Illinois Democrat:

"I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what is different is the times. I do think that, for example, the 1980 election was different. I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. They felt like with all the excesses of the 60s and the 70s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think he tapped into what people were already feeling. Which is we want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing."

Obama went on:

"I think Kennedy, 20 years earlier, moved the country in a fundamentally different direction. So I think a lot of it has to do with the times. I think we are in one of those fundamentally different times right now were people think that things, the way they are going, just aren't working."

(You can watch the full video: here -- the Reagan quote comes in around the 18:50 mark)

Obama's comment was part of a nearly hour long interview with the paper's editorial board. Seated in a high-back leather chair while the Gazette-Journal staff pressed him on different policy and political matters, the senator spoke in his customary slow, measured tone. He discussed 'Google for government,' a site he helped create that allows users can search a database of how federal dollars are spent.

"The only way you can control [the out-of-control spending]," Obama said, "is if there is some sense of shame and accountability. The more we increase accountability the more we reduce the special interests in Washington."

He claimed, as he has on the stump, that his health care plan was not "all that different" from his Democratic primary opponents. "All three of us differ fairly significantly with Republicans," said Obama, "who think that you can just provide people with a few more tax credits and somehow that is going to solve the problem."

And he offered stern criticism for the Bush administration, which, he argued, "did not necessarily believe in government as an agent of change." Unlike the president, he stated, "I want to make government cool again."

In an interview Monday with the Reno Gazette-Journal editorial board, Sen. Barack Obama riffed on a range of political topics ranging from Katrina, the home mortgage crisis and, of course, fodder from...
In an interview Monday with the Reno Gazette-Journal editorial board, Sen. Barack Obama riffed on a range of political topics ranging from Katrina, the home mortgage crisis and, of course, fodder from...
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Somehow, Obama's attempt to channel dead populist leaders seems creepy.

If his campaign cannot be waged on more than that, isn't there something wrong with entertaining that mentality?

It's hard to believe that Americans cannot see through that scam.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 01/21/2008
- Ides I'm a Fan of Ides 21 fans permalink

"Barack Obama loves Reagan. Will Smith loves Hitler. Edwards' campaign didn't lie."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 01/18/2008
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Reading carefully what Obama is saying, there is no endorsement of Reagan to be found anywhere within it.

It is my belief that the challenge that Obama presents to me, you, everyone..­is to think. Cut back on the thought police that have you seeking a new villain with every utterance from our candidates­..and I'm talking about you "progressi­ves."

Obama is correct about the crossroads and historically accurate as to what was being said in 1980..by the massive amount of people who bought the Reagan philosophy.

I hated him since the sixties UC diatribe against the demonstrat­ors..Later David Bowie would famously support Reagan's election saying, "Might as well get the fascism right away as that's where we're heading already.." or words to that effect. THAT'S what it was like in 1980.

AObama point is that it is all about us, not the father figure, not the triangulator, not the strategists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 01/17/2008

I think I'm starting to relax a little....­..it appears Sen. Obama is not going to hijack the party and nomination after all....

Too bad he helped chase off some real Democrats BEFORE he decided he's Ronald Reagan....­..........­..........­..tm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 01/17/2008
- serena1313 I'm a Fan of serena1313 46 fans permalink

First of all the headline is misleading. Sam's headline is different from the actual context of his column.

Pleas re-read what Obama said:

"I think part of what is different is the times... I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America ... He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it...

"I think Kennedy, 20 years earlier, moved the country in a fundamentally different direction. So I think a lot of it has to do with the times. I think we are in one of those fundamentally different times right now were people think that things, the way they are going, just aren't working."

Obama is not comparing himself, he is comparing the time when people were clamouring for change as now. Reagan appealed to a lot of democrats likewise JFK appealed to some republicans. So what Obama was saying is that people are again ready for change and that moment is now.

Sam stated, "... Obama offered praise for the Gipper, lauding him for tapping into the country's concern with the growth and "excesses" of the federal government­... Growth and excess are a very real concern across the country. Likewise Obama is tapping into what the country wants: "change, hope and optimism."

I do want to note, too that we are so accustomed to talking points that jumping to conclusions rather than taking a moment to consider what was actually said is reflexive. Iam equally guilty. That, however, is the world [Rove] Bush brought us. From day one they started using "talking points" to "dumb-down" the electorate. They do not want people to think. They want us to react, rather than think, so they use e_motionally charged language. It is a tactic to divide the nation. As long as we do not think they control the dialogue.

This administration has been and is waging a psychological mind-game (for lack of a better word) "war" per se against the public.

Isn't it refreshing to hear the [democratic] candidates talk like grown-ups to us!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 01/17/2008

John Edwards tells it like it is:

***"When you think about what Ronald Reagan did to the American people, to the middle class to the working people," said Edwards.

"He was openly – openly – intolerant of unions and the right to organize. He openly fought against the union and the organized labor movement in this country. He openly did extraordinary damage to the middle class and working people, created a tax structure that favored the very wealthiest Americans and caused the middle class and working people to struggle every single day. The destruction of the environment, you know, eliminating regulation of companies that were polluting and doing extraordinary damage to the environmen­t."

"I can promise you this: this president will never use Ronald Reagan as an example for change."**­*

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/01/17/politics/fromtheroad/entry3724550.shtml

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 01/17/2008
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IF OBAMA EXPLAIN ME ,WHERE HIS MOVEMENT HEADING,MAY BE I JOIN,
BUT RIGHT NOW I JUST SEE TRYING TO USE INDEPENDENTS AND REPABLICANS IN THE FIGHT INSIDE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY,IT'S THE CONMAN TACTICS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 01/17/2008
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I find it incredibly arrogant that after 2 primaries, Obama thinks he is capable of defining this election in ANY context.

What a nutty thinking problem he's got.

I find it hilarious that his rhetorical use of past greats has, once again, blown up in his face.

Yet he trudges on.

And I find that people on this particular story thread who really don't understand that when someone invokes a name in comparison, he is going to also bring up the connotations of that person.

Classic problem with that strategy.

This is one funny story.

His arrogance is grating on my nerves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 01/17/2008

Some people on this post defend Obama's statement, but I cannot. His statement along with the quote from his book mark him, in my mind, as a Joe Lieberman wanna be.

Obama uses many of the republican code words for exclusion, deprivation, and indifference.

We allowed the corporate media to pick our top candidates, now we are stuck with Hillary and Obama. Choose the lesser of two evils and hope we do not have Bush or Reagan incarnate.

"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." --Ronald Reagan

"Why should we subsidize intellectual curiosity?" --Ronald Reagan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 01/17/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

He shows an interesting stubborn streak, in my opinion.

He got into deep trouble with comparing himself to MLK.

But rather than find another way to get his message across, he switches personalities.

Amazing tenacity to stick to a bad rhetorical device.

Maybe that's the rebel party boy coming out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 01/17/2008
- SirReal1 I'm a Fan of SirReal1 64 fans permalink

I had "considered" the possibility of voting in the primary for Mr. Obama, (as many of the more progressive candidates drop out of the race) but he just made that choice a lot easier for me.

Should he actually win the nomination, he will get my vote (I'd vote for the devil himself against the Republican offerings), but I wouldn't expect "great things" from a man who thinks "Ray-gun" was any of the things he describes. I'm sure "President Obama" would be a vast improvement on what we NOW have, but the bar is indeed awfully low.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 01/17/2008

Seriously, doesn't he sound like a Republican in that passage from his book?

"liberal rhetoric"

"failures of liberal government"

"spending taxpayer money"

"the welfare state"

"Reagan offered Americans a sense of common purpose that liberals seemed no longer able to muster"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 01/17/2008

I'm a little stunned, but not blown away by this comparison of himself to Reagan. Obama has gone out of his way time and again to say he will bring a new kind of politics, reach across the aisle, essentially trying to get Independents and even some Republicans to vote for him in the Primary. It makes liberals like me almost queesy, to say the least, as the Republicans have been on the wrong side of issue after issue after issue.

It's a shame because his voting record is possibly the most progressive of the three Democrats in this race. He could have ran a real populist campaign, taking the luster out of Edwards (who's voting record is actually the most conservative in the race), and being the progressive darling at this time. Instead you're going to have liberal like me supporting Clinton instead. Yes she may be more moderate, but she's never going to be ashamed of being a Democrat, and she will fight against the right wing and shame them from time to time in a way I just don't see from Obama.

How this plays out is anyone's guess. Democrats are supporting Clinton, I imagine this will cause her lead among them to go up. A number of states on Feb 5 are close Primaries or Caucuses, meaning only registered Democrats can participate. This might be the end of Obama's campaign. Wait and see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 01/17/2008

If the country is ready for change, the change will come. What we need is someone that can run a tight ship and get the needed and desired changes accomplished. I don't want a rock star to just stir the passions of the country, I want someone to challange its intellect while articulating the way ahead. Maybe that's too much to ask of a country that elects people such as Nixon, Reagan and Bush II to second terms and obsesses over Britney Spears. Bill Clinton is a very intelligent guy and did a pretty good job as president. It's time now for the smarter of the two Clinton's to be elected. And she can give a helluva rousing speech too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 01/17/2008
- Idytme I'm a Fan of Idytme 6 fans permalink

I am a little blown away how many people are defending Obama associating himself with Reagan. Is anyone awake? Anyone in a moment of masochism ever flip the channel to a republican debate? They fall over themselves to compare themselves to Reagan. Here we have a democratic candidate doing the same.
Understand people that this is a signal to the republicans. It doesn't matter how he parsed it, in an interview he put his name and Reagan's name in the same context.
It is a little like the secret language that the religious right uses in speeches, although this isn't as secret.
Obama, like every other republican candidate, has compared himself to Reagan. This should be the headline.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 01/17/2008
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