Reagan Advisers See A Bit Of Their Former Boss In Obama

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First Posted: 01-17-08 04:31 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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Barack Obama found himself under fire on Thursday for having compared his candidacy to Ronald Reagan's 1980 presidential run.

"I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure," he told the Reno Gazette-Journal editorial board earlier this week. "I think part of what is different is the times. I do think that, for example, the 1980 election was different. I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not."

The remark did not go over well in progressive circles. On Thursday, Sen. John Edwards, Obama's opponent for the Democratic nomination, ripped into him for the analogy, saying, "I can promise you this: this president will never use Ronald Reagan as an example for change."

But while Obama has felt the heat from within his own party, several former Reagan officials and even his son suggest that there are elements of historical truth to the comparison.

"If I understand what he was saying I can't entirely disagree with it. They both came along at times when society was on the cusp of change and they are both agents of change," Ron Reagan told the Huffington Post. "As far as Barack Obama being a similar agent of change, that remains to be seen. But what I do see him saying is that we are in a historical moment right now like the 60s and 80s. And I think he's right. We are overdue for a cultural shift."

Other Reagan aides grabbed onto the comparison, drawing historical similarities between the end of the Carter administration and the contemporary political landscape. The economic malaise and hangover from Vietnam of the late 1970s, they argued, are analogous in some ways to the middle class unrest and backlash to neo-conservatism today. And yet, for several Reaganites, it was the tone and tenor of Obama that best echoed the image of their former boss.

"Ronald Reagan was an inspirational leader who also was a uniter. There was never any vindictive stuff to the other side," said Lawrence Korb, a former Reagan aide and current Obama supporter who serves as a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress. "In 1983, when you had the commission to fix Social Security, which basically gave us 20 more years with the program, after it was over Reagan would not campaign against any [Democrat] who supported that. And the harshest thing he said against [Walter] Mondale was that he was too young. There was never any of this vindictiveness... I think Obama is trying to get us back to that pleasantness."

Added Peter Robinson, a research fellow at the Hoover Institute and a speechwriter for Reagan's White House: "I do believe Obama is right in looking back at the election of 1980 and saying that was a historical inflection point. Of course there is a certain amount of self-flattery involved in that statement, but he might be right." Robinson added: "I do think Ronald Reagan would have found Barack Obama appealing."

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Others former Reagan officials said they saw aspects of Reagan in Obama's attempt to present himself as the candidate outside the status quo.

"A lot of people of different persuasions see him as the only candidate in the race who has much chance of creating any change. My friends don't see much difference between Hillary Clinton and McCain and George Bush for that matter. Whether it is justified or not, I don't know. But there has been some sort of feeling that among people in the running, that Obama might actually change the status quo," said Paul Craig Roberts, the man tasked with overseeing Reaganomics. "I think that's the way Reagan came across, that he was not the status quo president. And of course whenever someone comes into office they turn into the status quo, but it takes a little longer to get that way when you don't start out there."

Of course, with any historical analysis there are multiple interpretations. And some former Reagan advisers, even those who see a bit of the 1980 Gipper in Obama's current candidacy, point to sharp contrasts between the two.

"The dynamics are entirely different," said Bruce Fein, Reagan's deputy attorney general. "Reagan's campaign was built on expanding and strengthening the confidence of the United States at a time when it was at its lowest depth, and we had a direct confrontation with the Soviet Union... We have an opposite problem today. We have an arrogance. We have a government that feels it is too superior... We have an executive branch that is bloated and ballooned suggesting that Osama bin Laden is the equivalent of the Soviet Union... I think [Obama's] comparison shows he is living in a different mental universe than people who know history... It seems to me [Obama] is the same old thing other than the mindless statement of change. What does that even mean?"

Added Charlie Black, an senior adviser to Reagan and George H.W. Bush: "[Obama] is a charismatic man, is very articulate and makes a great speech, but I think the similarities with Reagan stop there. He is a very doctrinaire liberal and Reagan was the father of the conservative movement, so the differences are quite vast."

Finally, there are those Reagan advisers who say: who cares? The whole Obama-Gipper comparison, they note, is nothing more than a red meat for the political pundits.

"I think Senator Obama's statement is happy fodder for columnists and commentators," remarked Reagan's speechwriter Peggy Noonan. "They can draw a measured comparison, assert the obvious as an insight, make a few jokes, and play to their bases. ("Obama makes a mistake in comparing himself to the ancient reactionary in whose thrall the right remains"; "I knew Ronald Reagan, Ronald Reagan was a friend of mine, and Senator Obama...") So this is all good for commenters, and as a member of that guild I say: thank you. But to break into reality for a second: If Barack Obama is a great man it will become apparent with time, and if he is not, that will become apparent too."

Barack Obama found himself under fire on Thursday for having compared his candidacy to Ronald Reagan's 1980 presidential run. "I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure," he told...
Barack Obama found himself under fire on Thursday for having compared his candidacy to Ronald Reagan's 1980 presidential run. "I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure," he told...
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Reagan??
Obama would be wise to distance himself from Mr. Iran Contra, Record Deficits Ronnie.

As for HuffPo blatantly backing Obama, if I didn't love Arianna I would have dumped this site a long time ago because of that bias.
I'm just eager to see who HuffPo backs once Hillary becomes the Democratic nominee.

Do the Greeks have a recipe for crow?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 01/19/2008
- cambio I'm a Fan of cambio 5 fans permalink

Just putting this out there:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=4674

"But no president can do it alone. She must break recent tradition, cast cronyism aside and fill her cabinet with the best people, not only the best Democrats, but the best Republicans as well.. We’re confident she will do that. Her list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan - demonstrates how she thinks. As expected, Bill Clinton was also included on the aforementioned list."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 01/18/2008

First Barack said he was JFK, then RFK, then MLK, Jr. now he's the new Ronald Reagan. Take off that mask Barack, because I don't even think you know who you are?
Daria

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 01/18/2008
- ndolomar I'm a Fan of ndolomar 11 fans permalink

what's most important that coincidentally is most overlooked is that this campaign is becoming exactly what it wasn't supposed to be. who's responsible? well, both candidates' camps, really. but i must say i find it odd that clinton supporters don't seem to make an effort to vet their candidate; rather, they just rely on her professed "experience," which it seems mostly is garnered through osmosis. people need to consider that she is not bill, and it's clear in your posts that when you tout how great a clinton presidency would be, you base it on the FORMER president. hillary was a goldwater girl in her youth, so she's not that liberal. plus, she's only been in elected office since 2000. if "experience" is the gauge in this campaign, then every hrc supporter needs to ask him/herself why he/she didn't fight as hard for dodd, biden, richardson --better yet, for kucinich, edwards OR obama. each of these candidates has more elected-office experience than she, and their voting records are much more liberal than hers. however, if it's easier to remain ignorant of the other candidates' positions and support hrc because you like her husband and don't think it's worth the time to know everything about the candidate you endorse...then, well, as the electorate, we'll get precisely what we deserve: the fans of the winning candidate who betrays what he/she promised get just desserts for not vetting their choice; and the fans of the losing candidate get their just desserts for not making a stronger case for their choice. hopefully, regardless whom you support, you take the time to know for what HE/SHE stands.
*written like a true kucinich suppoter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 01/18/2008
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 278 fans permalink
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Obama is correct. This is an era when we are screaming for a Generalisamo. A big daddy. Someone who will just be "the thing". No thinking involved. To put a more hopeful spin on it, Marxist historians would say F.D.R., Reagan, and Obama perfectly mirror their times.

And really...? What can a President do domestically? A President can only use the bully pulpit to reach over the head of Congress and inspire the people to kick Congress in the ass so they will make good domestic law. Obama has already proved he can rally the hoi poli.

Any President can muck up foriegn policy that's the scary thing. Clinton or Obama will handle that better than any Republican standing.


Cross your fingers because it's been an issue free campaign so far. Edwards, the lonley free man, is considered a little nuts for imagining we want to think and be his equal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 01/18/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

Omigosh, for a peon, the best is watching Obama supporters have to defend the content over and over and over and over.

That makes this entire campaign worthwhile!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 01/18/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 89 fans permalink

This is just more proof that:

1) Obama is a "corporatist" (apparently a polite synonym for fascist) - SURELY Reagan believed in the combination of capital and state power - he proved it with over 8 years at the federal level and many more in CA before that. Those of us with eyes open have seen Obama's similarity long ago.

2) Obama doesn't scare the Republicans because they KNOW he's "Republican lite"...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 01/18/2008
- gonnuts I'm a Fan of gonnuts 15 fans permalink

That's all I needed to hear - EDWARDS HERE I COME!!!

If Obama thinks that Raygun is in any way to be emulated he's either ignorant of what that brain-dead ass-clown stood for or he's a pandering politician looking for the macho right-wing vote. Either way - screw him!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 01/18/2008

Iran Contra.
Ketchup is a vegetable.
Record smashing deficits.
Dementia.
I'd be horrified to be compared to Reagan.
He began the bullshit movement of style versus substance in the Oval Office.
If Obama embraces comparison between him and Reagan, he's on the wrong path.
We don't need another president sent from Central Casting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 01/18/2008
- SCharb I'm a Fan of SCharb 3 fans permalink

First, I don't think he was comparing himself to anyone. He was really just acting as a historian.
Second, after each of the Republican candidates tried and failed to be the next Reagan, wouldn't it be funny if it turned out that the most Reaganlike candidate were a liberal Democrat all along?
Third, I wouldn't mind an "Obama Coalition" keeping the Democrats united and in power for nearly all of the next twenty-eight years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 01/18/2008
- cin I'm a Fan of cin permalink

what this country does not need is another eight years of a ronald reagan style president...
eight years of bush is bad enough
when reagan was
when reagan was president everyone and I mean everyone got screwed except the really really really rich...
so if obama thinks the reagan comparison is cool in anyway...then he is not right at all for this country..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 01/18/2008

Obama could not have picked a more wrong person to compare himself to if he is a true Democrat. That, alone, should be enough for those supporting him to jump ship. The years under Reagan were some of the worst ever, except for our current republican. If Obama comparing himself to Reagan scares you, then come vote for Edwards who cannot be bought by corporations, lobbyists, or PACs, unlike Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 01/18/2008

Reposting this, cause meant to agree with geekkid and put under wrong post.

O'Bama does not have a prayer of winning a general in this country and the people here that think he does are deluding themselves. The Republican and corporate media are most certainly driving this "O'Bama phenomenon." Don't you think they'd be tearing this guy up otherwise. There are lots of things to highlight - the church he belong to (Farakan man of the year, a minister with anti-white racist overtones), past drug use, even if in teen years. We certainly heard a lot more of it when it was Bill Clinton and here you have a guy that used cocaine at one time, and there are questionable ethics in the background. Don't think once the general comes around it won't be done. This is the guy the Repubs want to go up against, because they know this country will not elect him and they will take the white house, war mongering, unfair economic practices, etc., etc., and the people with their heads in the sky can debate for the next 8 years of what went wrong. What went wrong - the media/corporate America struck again. They set the scenario of the 2 party race between an inexperienced African American man and a polarizing woman, both firsts in this country, and sheep followed big brother right into a tragedy for this party. Imagine gambling on candidates that are possibly not electable in this election with the whole future of our country at stake? Imagine being mislead by the media again (remeber Iraq anyone?) and not sorting out the best candidates as seen by the electorate in a campaign with so much at sake? People have learned nothing and they will pay the price.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 01/18/2008
- criggs I'm a Fan of criggs 4 fans permalink

Obama does not say Reagan is good or bad, nor address himself to Reagan's politics or philosophy. He pointed solely to the Nixon and Clinton presidencies vs. the Reagan presidency, and concluded that Reagan represented a significant, large ideological and cultural shift.

I agree. Progressives need a Ronald Reagan of the left, someone who will upend the conservative consensus, and create a new progressive governmental paradigm.

The answer advanced by Ronald Reagan in 1980 was to suggest that what was needed was an extremist new political, philosophical and ideological vision, rather than attempting a centrist amalgam of current political thinking.

And Reagan won. I believe he won because the country was actively looking for that new and extremist vision.

1980 was not a typical political year. It was a year when, as a result of stagflation, the Iran hostage crisis, malaise, etc., folks had turned off incumbents and incumbent thinking, and had done so in massive numbers.

Americans usually like moderation, they like centrism. But in an atypical political year, as we had in 1980, their desires and attitudes are far more militant, and they are far readier to take a chance with something new and unfamiliar.

And I submit that 2008 belongs far more properly in that political category.

If the Democrats get their head out of their dark place, they will recognize that their road to victory this year is NOT through a walking talking robot of the establishment like Hillary Clinton -- who would play the same role George Herbert Walker Bush Sr. played in the GOP nomination battle of 1980 (and he lost that battle, of course) -- but rather through an exciting political performer who speaks unambiguously of a dramatic change of direction, someone like an Edwards or Obama, who can easily assume the Ronald Reagan role in this nomination battle.

Of course, if the Democrats make the mistake of nominating Hillary Clinton we will lose the opportunity to vote for an unambiguous spokesman for dramatic change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 01/18/2008
- mexboy I'm a Fan of mexboy 2 fans permalink

Obama is an intelligent man, but I think he thinks we're stupid!

Reagan sure put us on a fundamentally different direction by destroyed the economy and maiming civil rights. He also gave us the Iran-contra affair, and never mentioned the word AIDS during his eight years as president.

why would Obama associate himself with this man? To pander to the Republicans, of course.

Him comparing himself to Reagan is just plain stupid!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 01/18/2008
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