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Bill Clinton: "I Kind Of Like To See Barack And Hillary Fight"

BETH FOUHY | January 22, 2008 09:27 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton argued on Tuesday that Barack Obama's frustration with losing prompted him to look for a fight in their latest debate. Obama said his rival and her husband, former President Clinton, were distorting his record.

"I think it's very clear that Senator Clinton ... and the president have been spending the last month attacking me in ways that are not accurate," Obama told reporters in a conference call shortly after she lashed out at him in a bitter exchange that carried over from Monday night's debate.

Speaking to reporters in Washington, Hillary Clinton belittled Obama's line of debate criticism against her as "rehearsed points."

"I think what we saw last night was that he's very frustrated," she said. "I believe that the events of the last 10 or so days, the outcome of New Hampshire and Nevada, have apparently convinced him to adopt a different strategy."

Former President Clinton said Tuesday he enjoyed the bickering.

"I know you think it's crazy, but I kind of like to see Barack and Hillary fight," Bill Clinton told a mostly white crowd of about 300 at a black church in Greenville, S.C. "They're flesh and blood people and they have their differences _ let them have it."

Asked whether he thought his legacy among blacks would be harmed by challenging Obama, Clinton said he wasn't standing in Obama's way but rather advocating for his wife.

"I think it would be just as much a change, some people think more, to have the first woman president than to have the first African-American president," Bill Clinton said.

In the debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C., the two leading Democrats argued bitterly and in personal terms over issues such as Iraq and Bill Clinton's role in the campaign.

"He clearly came last night looking for a fight. He was determined and launched right in," Hillary Clinton said. "And I thought it was important to set the record straight."

She restated her argument that Obama was unwilling to answer hard questions about his record, including his opposition to the Iraq war, his support for military budgets and his "present" votes as a member of the Illinois Legislature.

Obama countered that this was all part of Clinton's strategy.

"Senator Clinton announced while we were still in Iowa that this was going to be her strategy and called it the fun part of campaigning. And, you know, I don't think it's the fun part to fudge the truth," he said. "The necessary part of this campaign is to make sure that we're getting accurate information to voters about people's respective records."

The bickering brought new calls for calm from former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, running third among Democratic contenders. "There was a lot of squabbling," Edwards told reporters in a conference call Tuesday. "While Senator Clinton and Senator Obama were hurling charges and countercharges at each other, I was thinking, `I'm John Edwards and I represent the grown-up wing of the Democratic Party.'"

During an economic speech in Greenville, S.C., Obama accused Clinton of taking politically expedient positions inconsistent with her record. The Illinois senator put an unflattering twist on her contention that she is the candidate most ready to be president from the first day.

"We can't afford a president whose positions change with the politics of the moment. We need a president who knows that being ready on Day One means getting it right from Day One," Obama said as he received the only standing ovation of his speech.

The New York senator defended her husband's aggressive criticism of Obama. She said it did not contradict the former president's role as senior statesman and party leader.

"I can tell you that never crossed our minds. That's not how we think," she said. "It has absolutely nothing to do with a unified Democratic Party around a nominee and a full support for whoever our Democratic president will be. That is just the way it works."

The Obama campaign began a "truth squad" in South Carolina to respond to negative criticism. Involved in the effort was former Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota.

People in South Carolina "don't want to see this backbiting, bitter give-and-take that we're beginning to see more and more of, especially from the Clinton campaign. It's wrong. everybody knows it's wrong and it's got to stop," Daschle told reporters on a conference call. "Ultimately, it's going to divide us. And it's going to have a huge effect, a lasting effect if it doesn't stop soon."

Asked about Bill Clinton's actions, Daschle said, "It's not presidential. It's not in keeping with the image of a former president."

Hillary Clinton, in her comments with reporters, rejected the notion she had used patronizing or racially charged language against Obama. She has called him, among other things, a "talented" and "young African-American man."

Clinton traveled to Salinas, Calif., to accept the backing of the United Farm Workers Union, which represents a heavily Hispanic work force. It is active in 10 states and represents 27,000 farm workers.

Clinton won Nevada's presidential caucuses Saturday in part because of a strong showing among Hispanic voters _ a central part of her strategy to win several states holding contests Feb. 5, including California, Arizona and New Mexico.

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Associated Press writers Nedra Pickler and Mike Baker in South Carolina and Ann Sanner in Washington contributed to this report.

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- PuddyKatz I'm a Fan of PuddyKatz 7 fans permalink

Bill's on crystal meth or something, drunk or stoned or whateva

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 01/23/2008

Bill Clinton needs to shut up! Every time he opens his mouth, he loses another vote for his wife. I was on the fence with my vote and HIS stupid, divisive remarks cost HER my vote on 2/5. Makes me wonder what would happen if she did win the presidency?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 01/23/2008
- filmunas I'm a Fan of filmunas 2 fans permalink

I can't stand the Clintons - they're so clintonian that it's a bitch!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 01/23/2008
- plutorage I'm a Fan of plutorage 12 fans permalink


I suppose people would guffaw if I said the Clintons are desperate. However, here is why I say it:

Democrats, unlike Republicans, allot 3000 of the 4000 delegates to the convention on proportional basis state by state. Republicans have many winner-take-all contests - Florida for example - so somebody who wins only 30% of the vote can win 100% of the delegates in a large state and get a big lead in delegates.

Not so with democrats. Obama, by hanging on and getting close to Hilary in each state, even if he doesn't win every one, could stop Hilary from claiming victory before the convention, especially considering there are 1000 delegates - 25% of the total who are not chosen in the primaries and who would be free, at some stage, to vote for Obama at the convention.

I think Hilary needs to get 60% + of the vote in many states to start thinking about claiming inevitability and that doesn't seem to be in the cards, UNLESS: Unless Obama makes a big slip up, or looks real green or stupid in a widely shown debate moment after which the Clintons could say that Obama can't win, you must vote for Hilary.

In other words, the Clintons a r e desperate.

Go Obama.

PS - Obama needs every vote, even in states he is going to win, because every vote could be worth a delegate and delegates is what it is about regardless of what the media wants to have you believe - Hilary's "big win" in Nevada, for example, which was actually a defeat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 01/23/2008
- Lisette I'm a Fan of Lisette 36 fans permalink
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Bill You like to fight? You are a kook!

Why does anyone like these people.

Bill and Hillary are the new Hatfields & McCoys

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 01/23/2008
- MPeter I'm a Fan of MPeter 25 fans permalink

See below: Those are words of Senator Kennedy. How can he now stay silent and watch the Clintons lynch Obama for the same words he said? C'mmon get some courage Senator and tell the Clintons to back off. They are destroying the Party.

Kennedy Says Democrats Can Learn From Reagan
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Published: March 7, 1989
LEAD: Senator Edward M. Kennedy today sharply criticized his party's 1988 Presidential campaign as being devoid of ideas and urged the Democrats to emulate former President Ronald Reagan's consistent sense of political purpose.

Senator Edward M. Kennedy today sharply criticized his party's 1988 Presidential campaign as being devoid of ideas and urged the Democrats to emulate former President Ronald Reagan's consistent sense of political purpose.

In an address at Yale University on the politics of ideas, Mr. Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, also assailed President Bush for ''coming to office without larger goals and purposes.'' He said that the Republicans' lack of an agenda gave the Democrats an opening, if they could ''move beyond the New deal and the New Frontier and the Great Society.''

Mr. Kennedy's address added fuel to the Democratic debate about their failures in Presidential election, especially since Mr. Kennedy was so openly critical of the strategy pursued by Gov. Michael S. Dukakis, the party's nominee.

''I reject the notion that the Democratic ticket lost because of charges about Willie Horton and the Pledge of Allegiance,'' Mr. Kennedy said, referring to the furloughed Massachusetts prisoner and to Mr. Dukakis's veto of a bill requiring pupils to recite the Pledge. ''I believe those issues defined the contest primarily because there was no compelling Democratic message.'' 'Ideology Was Missing'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 01/23/2008
- sagopalm I'm a Fan of sagopalm 3 fans permalink

All Bill and Hillary are doing is reminding all the republicans how much they hate these two. They will be flooding the precincts to vote against them. I can't say I blame them. They are both behaving like spoiled brats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 01/23/2008
- sagopalm I'm a Fan of sagopalm 3 fans permalink

Bill needs a ball gag.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 01/23/2008
- JMcCoy I'm a Fan of JMcCoy 8 fans permalink

I still struggle with how much respect I have lost for Bill Clinton (and Hillary). I supported him in both of his Presidential bids, through White Water, Vince Foster's death, the impeachment, the affairs, the last minute pardons, and the list goes on. However, he seems to be coming unglued. I even fell for the "Right-wing conspiracy" propoganda. However, the Clintons are beginning to look like the lying, using, manipulating and fake crying crooks that the right has been saying they have been for years. Yuk! Who knew?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 01/23/2008
- skyhead I'm a Fan of skyhead 2 fans permalink

All of you Obama supporters keep making the Clintons sound worse than Bush. I voted in '92 and '96, and both times I left the President check box blank. I never voted for Clinton, and I have been very critical of both Clintons at times. But the fact that you Obama supporters can't even begin to admit that Obama's commentary on Reagan was a mistake and an insult to Democrats, and the constant Clinton bashing, is making Hillary look better to me than ever. And I will be voting for Edwards on February 5th.

But in the end, I think Hillary will likely get the nomination. And all of you who just can't stop tearing into the Clintons, making them out as bad or worse than Bush, and saying you will never vote for a Clinton, have my undying contempt. Especially the ones who say they will vote for a Republican before a Clinton. You all are the people who will be to blame in the unlikely event a Republican wins the general. Maybe you should chill out and start acting like real Progressives, instead of engaging in the politics of destruction that you constantly accuse the Clintons of.

I, for one, will happily vote Democratic for president, whichever Democrat wins the nomination. And I thank all you supposed Progressives for making the Hillary pill so much easier to swallow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 01/23/2008

Did anyone else think about this?

Black men got the vote a long time before any woman did. And yes, women were thrown into jail in some instances just for trying to get the vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 01/23/2008

Obama shouldn't whine, he should pick up a two-by-four.

Anytime Obama starts using his elbows, the Clinton crowd always says "but what happened to hope?" or something like that.

Everyone knows he gives a great speech and can inspire people; that's a known quantity. If he decided to knee-cap her, that wouldn't suddenly disappear. Just like Hillary's softer monment in New Hampshire...did people suddenly think she had lost her ability to be a junk-yard dog? Please.

If I were advising Obama, I'd tell him to go for the kneecaps.

This is just off the top of my head so I'm sure people can come up with much better, but a 30-second spot like this would do the trick.

(Still picture of George Bush.)
Announcer: Leaders willing to mislead and deceive the American people have brought us to this point in history.

(A few quick shots of violence in Iraq)

(A quick shot of Bush delivering one of those 935 lies)

Bill Clinton on tape talking to a crowd: "Her principal opponent said that since 1992, the Republicans have had all the good ideas,"

(In bold red letters across the screne: WRONG)

Cut to Bill Clinton saying: "I did not have sexual releations with that woman"

Fade to the word DISBARRED...
Fade to the word IMPEACHED...

Announcer: And now the Clintons won't tell the American people who made donations to the Clinton Library. Why?

(Back to a still shot of Bush)
Announcer: America deserves better than this.

Bush's face morphing into Hillary's, a la the Bin Laden - Max Cleland ad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 01/23/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 01/23/2008
- Dandy12 I'm a Fan of Dandy12 2 fans permalink

Bill is lowering his standards and his influence and staure are declining. Even if you weren't a big Bill fan, Bush has made him look great (even abolved his "pecker-dillos") in retrospect. Ah yes, the good ole days...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 01/23/2008
- NABNYC I'm a Fan of NABNYC 98 fans permalink

Bill Clinton has shown himself to be a corrupt political hack whose lying for personal gain is a part of his character, not an isolated incident.

He's trying to convince the public now that it's all in good fun. But it isn't. He and his wife are telling lies about other Democrats, ganging up, gathering all their rich and powerful friends together to launch lies and distortions about the other Democrats. When Bob My Lai Kerry wrote his "Obama is a Muslim" article, don't for a minute think the Clintons and their sleazy crew weren't behind it.

Hillary says Obama was looking for a fight? Exactly what did he do? He told the world that Hillary sat on (the slave-wage union-busting) Wal Mart's Board of Directors. She did. For 6 years. And was paid a lot of money for doing so. That is the truth. And Obama must be attacked and punished for telling the truth about Hillary Clinton.

I wish Bill and Hillary just one time during the past 7 years had stood up against Bush and Cheney. I wish they had launched attacks against the Republicans. I wish we had seen this vicious side to them going up against Bush Regime and standing on the side of the citizens of this country. Instead, they're nice to the Bushes, go yachting with the family, cuddle up with Newt Gingrich, get support from Rupert Murdoch, and attack Democrats.

Vote Edwards. Or Obama. Anyone but Hillary. She and her husband are on the same side as the Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 01/23/2008
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