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Clinton: Give States Their Delegates

STEPHEN OHLEMACHER | January 25, 2008 05:33 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — In a bit of political theater, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and the Florida Democratic Party clamored to restore convention delegates that had been stripped by the national party.

At stake: 185 delegates in a state where Clinton leads almost 2-to-1.

The presidential candidate said Friday _ just four days before Florida's primary _ that she wants the convention delegates from Florida and Michigan reinstated. The national party eliminated all the delegates from those states _ more than 350 in all _ because they broke party rules against holding their primaries before Feb. 5. All the major Democratic candidates also made pledges not to campaign in those states before their primaries.

Clinton could claim most of the Michigan delegates because she won that state's primary after the other major candidates pulled their names from the ballot.

"I know other campaigns have tried to downplay the significance of these two states," Clinton told reporters in South Carolina Friday. "I think that is not a good strategy for Democrats or any of us who cares about the outcome of this election."

In an earlier statement, Clinton said, "I believe our nominee will need the enthusiastic support of Democrats in these states to win the general election, and so I will ask my Democratic convention delegates to support seating the delegations from Florida and Michigan," she said.

Clinton, a New York senator, called on the other candidates to join her. Instead, Sen. Barack Obama's campaign manager accused Clinton of pandering.

"No one is more disappointed that Florida Democrats will have no role in selecting delegates for the nomination of the party's standard-bearer than Senator Obama," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said in a statement.

"Senator Clinton's own campaign has repeatedly said that this is a contest for delegates, and Florida is a contest that offers zero," Plouffe said. "Whether it is Barack Obama's record, her position on Social Security, or even the meaning of the Florida Primary, it seems like Hillary Clinton will do or say anything to win an election."

Many Democratic insiders believe the eventual nominee _ whoever it is _ will work to reinstate the delegates at the convention to promote party unity going into the general election, despite two overwhelming votes by the party's rules panel to strip them.

Under the rules for the Democratic convention, the candidate with the most delegates at the convention will control who gets seated _ if the delegates follow the candidate's wishes.

"I know not all of my delegates will do so and I fully respect that decision," Clinton said in the statement. "But I hope to be president of all 50 states and U.S. territories, and that we have all 50 states represented and counted at the Democratic convention."

Both political parties penalized early voting states in an attempt to gain control over an increasingly chaotic primary calendar, but they did it differently.

The Democrats allowed New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina and Nevada to hold early nominating contests, while stripping all the delegates from Michigan and Florida.

The Republicans stripped just half the delegates from five states for holding early contests: New Hampshire, Wyoming, South Carolina, Michigan and Florida. Iowa and Nevada avoided the penalty because those states do not technically award delegates at their caucuses.

The Republicans did not imposed a ban on campaigning in those states, and GOP candidates have been traveling throughout Florida for much of the week.

Some Democrats have complained that their party is neglecting an important state while the Republicans are waging a spirited campaign there.

"The notion that you disenfranchise a large number of people in these two states is a terrible idea," Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., told reporters on a conference call arranged by the Clinton campaign.

Florida Democratic Chairwoman Karen Thurman said in a statement, "We thank Senator Clinton for her support and commitment to the Sunshine State."

She added, "The nation needs Florida, and Florida is ready to deliver."

Florida had a total of 210 delegates, including 185 that would have been at stake in Tuesday's Democratic primary. Michigan had a total of 156 delegates, including 128 that would have been at stake in its Jan. 15 primary.

Clinton would have won most of the Michigan delegates after the other major candidates had their names removed from the ballot. Still, she received only 55 percent of the vote in the Michigan primary, with "uncommitted" garnering about 40 percent.

Most of the Michigan voters who chose uncommitted backed Obama or Edwards, who pulled their names from the ballot to avoid angering Iowa and New Hampshire, which didn't like other states crowding to the front of the election calendar.

Clinton leads Obama in the overall delegate count, 237 to 140, including separately chosen party and elected officials known as superdelegates. A total of 2,025 delegates are needed to secure the Democratic nomination.

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it's high time somebody had the gall to say that the democrats punish michigan and florida at their own peril. the republicans are also punishing, but they are allowing each state half its delegates. the republicans are fools, too.

what does participating in disenfranchising voters in these two states say about obama and edwards?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 01/26/2008
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News Flash...

Neither Michigan nor Florida delegates will be allowed to sit at the Democratic Convention. - Rules committee announced.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 01/26/2008

This is a brilliant tactical move (which started last August) to regain control of the Democratic Party.

The current wave (Howard Dean and idealists) ousted the old regime (Clintonians like McAuliffe and such), and by following "party rules," they will be vilified for alienating voters in Florida and Michigan.

... argue what you want about preserving "order over chaos," or that similar sanctions were done to Delaware in 1996, but this is a BRILLIANT way for Senator Clinton to appear "democratic" and storm Denver with delegates ("the people"--those rich , mostly-white delegates, and Sen. Nelson, who represent "the people") and overthrow the current "grassroots believers" in the DNC and restore McAuliffe to his rightly throne.

Without Dean there would be no Democratic congress (and maybe that's a bad thing).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 01/26/2008
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I foresee a re-run at the Democratic convention of the presidential elections in 2000: the most popular candidate being defeated on a technicality and delegate / electoral-college count. Florida (yes, again) could be the hanging chad for Hillary. Certainly, it seems that Hillary is preparing for that. But can 'winning ugly' at the Democratic convention win her America?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 01/26/2008

Quote from the AP: [Obama's] campaign manager, David Plouffe, was far more pointed in a written statement that accused the Clinton campaign of "an entire week's worth of false, divisive attacks designed to mislead caucus-goers and discredit the caucus itself."Whatever the hard feelings, Clinton told supporters they would fade by the fall general election campaign. "We will all be united in November," she said, as the crowd chanted "HRC, HRC." [end quote] ----------------------------------------------------------------- I have said this time and again. The Clintons and their surrogates believe that they can do anything and that no matter what lies, dirty politics, race-baiting, xenophobia inciting, lying, misreprensenting, amoral campaign they run, that Democrats in general---and Blacks specifically---will have no choice but to support them in November if they are successful in stealing this nomination. I beg to differ. I hope all intelligent Democrats of good conscience will vote for a change in the political party by NOT supporting her if she robs the public of a chance at an honest debate and a substantive choice for president. Don't vote for Billary in the fall under any circumstance; make a stand about your morals and your values as a party. Blacks more than others should always stand up for right because they, since inception, have been the true moral conscience of this nation; FACT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 01/26/2008

Hillary is sleazy. The vote in Michigan was suppressed. Many dems didn't vote in the Primary because of the DNC rules. And people wonder why many won't vote for this conniving witch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 01/26/2008
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We, the People need to send a message to the Washington insiders.

That message is John Edwards!

Contribute, Become a part of REAL change!

http://www.johnedwards.com/splash/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 AM on 01/26/2008

Re-do is the only fair way. Just like grade school kickball, re-do.

If nominee has not been decided by June 3rd (last day of currently scheduled primaries) and Michigan and Florida still want to be re-enfranchised, then they must each schedule primary elections within x number of days (well before August convention), giving all remaining candidates ample time to campaign.

States screwed up, so they have to nullify early elections and pay for the re-do election, if they want it. DNC agrees to honor results and seat delegates determined at re-do elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 01/26/2008

The Clintons will do anything to get elected,they are egomaniacs. They want to change the rules so they can CHEAT.Bill Clinton lost his credibility when he was impeached.Do we really want another administration that is dishonest and thinks "they" are above the law(or rules in this case). Maybe it's just the drama of sex,mistresses,scandals,blue dresses,interns,and cigars that we miss. I am embarrassed the Clintons are from America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 01/26/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 01/25/2008

I bet you all the money in Haliburton that if Obama was ahead in Florida she wouldn't be saying this. Just another example of Clinton valuing political expediency above everything else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 01/25/2008

Reinstate us! Yes!

I was mad as hell when the Fl Democratic Party changed the primary date, So mad, I was glad the DNC was tough.

But you know, this is about the DNC not the people of Florida who want to be involved. It is pretty crappy down here when almost everyone else is having a say and we aren't.

Of all places Florida! We have a lot to say and a long memory. Clinton or Obama or Edwards....reinstate the delegates! We're Democrats and we want to be represented.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 01/25/2008

Don't trouble yourselves, The conundrum has been solved, sensibly. Move-On, turn the page, nothing to see here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 01/25/2008

CHANGE THE RULES MIDWAY?

WTF?

Pure slime. Total slime. That's it; I'm not voting for this bitch no matter what!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 01/25/2008
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Why is it OK for BARAK OBAMA for the last week to run his ads here in Florida they have been on in tampa for the last week any of his supporters care to explain! Edwards/08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 01/25/2008
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