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This Now Becomes A Real Delegate Fight

January 27, 2008 01:05 AM


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Barack Obama's landslide 28-point win in South Carolina - 55.4 percent to Hillary Clinton's 26.5 percent and John Edwards' 17.6 percent - establishes him as the first "outsider" candidate since Jimmy Carter in 1976 equipped to build a bi-racial coalition.

Obama is part of a long line of insurgent candidates. But, unlike his recent predecessors, he is not limited to a virtually all-white base like Gary Hart in 1984, Bill Bradley in 2000 or Howard Dean in 2004. Nor is Obama restricted to an overwhelmingly black core of support like Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988.

Exit poll data from South Carolina shows Obama winning 78 percent of black voters to Hillary Clinton's 19 percent and John Edwards' 2 percent.

At the same time, Edwards won a 40 percent plurality among white South Carolina Democrats, to Clinton's 36 percent and Obama's 24 percent.

The most threatening development for Obama in South Carolina was that his support among white voters dropped by more than 10 points to 24 percent, down from the 34-to-38 percent range he won in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada. On January 3, in the almost all-white Iowa caucus electorate, Obama won a plurality of all Democratic votes cast, and in a similarly white New Hampshire Democratic primary on January 8, he won 37 percent, just behind Clinton's 39 percent.

Yesterday, an operative within the Clinton campaign - dismissing Obama's strong performance in Iowa and New Hampshire -- sought to diminish the significance of Obama's victory in the Palmetto state by pointing out that in 1988 Jesse Jackson won South Carolina with 54 percent, beating Al Gore and Michael S. Dukakis, who received 19 and 18 percent respectively.

Charles A. Baker, a leading unaffiliated Democratic operative with 20 years experience in presidential campaigns, said the nomination contest now promises to be "the first real delegate fight on the Democratic side since 1984. This is a two-mile race not a sprint."

Along similar lines, Donna Brazile, who managed Al Gore's 2000 campaign, warned that "the race will get even nastier, tougher as the candidates now try to capture delegates state by state."

The most immediate question mark in the aftermath of the South Carolina contest is whether Edwards, whose core strength is among white men, can continue to compete armed with only a series of third place finishes and rapidly eroding funds.

If Edwards does give up, "the question Edwards's departure will raise is who will white male Democratic voters support in his absence?" said Ismail White, a research associate at Princeton's Center for the Study of Democratic Politics. "More precisely, how will the Obama and Clinton campaigns appeal to Edwards' supporters without alienating the groups that have begun to fall in line behind them?"

While Edwards carried 45 percent of white men in South Carolina, Obama and Clinton split the rest, 27 and 28 percent respectively. Clinton won white women with 42 percent to Edwards' 36 percent and Obama's 22 percent.

Princeton political scientist Nolan McCarty noted that Edwards' continued presence in the contest would boost Obama's prospects: "Going forward if Obama continues to get 80 percent of the African American vote and the white vote is split, I think he'll at least go into the convention with the most delegates."

UCLA political scientist Lynn Vavreck speculated on some interesting possible interpretations of exit poll data showing that a substantial 21 percent of those who believe Clinton would be the best nominee in November voted for Obama, while only 4 percent of those who believe Obama would be the strongest nominee voted for Clinton.

"Who are the 21 percent of people who think Clinton has the best chance in November but voted for Obama in the primary? We can't tell from the data provided, but one possibility is that they are African Americans who wanted to vote for Obama despite the fact that they think Clinton is a better candidate in November. Why is this interesting? Because it suggests to me that voting for Obama is more than just the act of casting a ballot in the primary -- it's become a signal, a symbol of something larger than just a single vote. Whether that is because Obama is a black man with viability at the Democratic nomination or because he is the most inspiring national politician since the late 1960s, he seems to have done something to capture the hearts and minds of many Americans and that can only work to his advantage as the process continues."

University of Akron political scientist John Green saw pluses and minuses for both Obama and Clinton in the South Carolina results, and nothing but trouble for Edwards: "These results may have destroyed the credibility of the Edwards campaign."

Green argued that Obama's "coalition of blacks and young affluent whites could pay dividends in some of the February 5 states--like Georgia and Missouri, and in the big cities of New York and California. But there are troubling signs as well: his weak showing among whites and older voters could be problematic because these groups are likely to be more numerous in many of the upcoming states."

There is considerable disagreement among political scientists and political activists over the significance of Obama's receipt of 24 percent of the white South Carolina vote.

Acknowledging that Obama won South Carolina decisively, Berkeley political scientist Bruce Cain then added:

"The bad news is the racial divide. Obama cannot let himself be defined as a black candidate for his sake and for that of the party. And he is not a black candidate; he is half black and half white, but I bet many Democratic voters do not know this. Going forward to California, he needs to talk about his white mother. He needs to present himself as a racial fusion candidate, bridging the divide between white and non-white. What will sell in California as an uplifting message, and maybe in New York and New Jersey as well." Those are three of the largest states of the 22 holding primaries or caucuses on February 5, "Tsunami Tuesday."

Conversely, Vanderbilt political scientist Marc Joseph Hetherington argued that it is "remarkable that Obama was able to win a solid number of whites votes in a Southern state. Given the demographics of several Southern February 5th primary states, being able to win white votes will ensure that Obama will win his share of states on Super Tuesday."

Geoffrey Layman of the University of Maryland said Obama's landslide margin of victory in South Carolina was crucial to preventing post-election analyses from focusing on racial polarization, on "how well he did among blacks, but how poorly he did among whites. I think the overwhelming nature of the victory probably pushes that into the background a bit, and it also may serve to raise real questions about the negativity strategy that the Clintons have pursued recently."

The contest from now on, Layman said, will be "a battle between distinct and fairly evenly-matched constituencies....with Obama doing better among blacks, men, younger voters, better-educated people, and independents (in open primary states), and Clinton doing better among whites, women, older voters, lower income and less-well-educated voters, and staunch Democrats." The results he said, are likely to "be just as confused on the night of Feb. 5 as they are right now."

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This morning on MSNBC, Clinton surrogate Senator Bill Nelson, as part of a continued effort to hype Clinton's anachronistic FL "victory", highlighted her superior performance across all demographics---with one notable caveat. Nelson concedes Obama decisively won "THE BLACK VOTE" in FL that, looking ahead to Super Tuesday, only gives him marginal and inadequate "POCKETS OF SUPPORT."
This is further evidence that Hillary Clinton continues to rely on her establishment sycophants (including Bill, with his Jesse Jackson assertions after South Carolina, etc.) to pursue a Southern Strategy: a desperate, futile and shameless attempt to racially polarize the electorate and relegate Obama to the status of a candidate who is for, by, and of African Americans alone. This racial triangulation will continue to backfire because it outrages African American, white, Latino and Asian Democrats alike. Please make people aware of Senator Nelson's comments!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 01/31/2008

Among WHITE voters under 30, over 50% voted for Obama. Obama is the future; Hillary is the past.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 01/27/2008

"This woman makes me sick. She ALWAYS says she'll do one thing, and then goes and does another. Typical Washington politician. "

Didn't you know, the Clintons, not unlike the Bushs think the rules don't apply to them. The clintons will say or do anything to be elected. I sure hope she's not counting on my vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 01/27/2008

Hillary is officially desperate. Breaking the Democratic promise to not campaign in Florida.

This woman makes me sick. She ALWAYS says she'll do one thing, and then goes and does another. Typical Washington politician.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 01/27/2008

Old, scared, white people. How pathetic. Without 'em Billary wouldn't have a chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 01/27/2008

This primary shows how much people hate clintons. Even if she wins the nomination, she is sure to lose the election.
She is yet to deliver a decisive victory eventhough being a spouse of a popular two term president, with 100% establistment support, with 95% media support (ABC, CNN and most of MSNBC), and having more money than any one else in the race, and finally being 100% white(not italian, greek etc..). This shows how much people hate clintons and don't want see them in the white house.
Only less savy people who are victim of media melo drama are falling for it. This becameso obivious that you can not win a general election with only power/money/media when you are to desperate togt bac to white house to fullfill all your missed fantasy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 01/27/2008

This primary shows how much people hate clintons. Even if she wins the nomination, she is sure to lose the election.
She still couldn't deliver a decisive victory after being a spouse of a popular two term president, having 100% establistment support, having 100% media support (ABC, CNN and most of MSNBC),
and having more money than any one else in the race, and finally being 100% white. This shows how much people hate clintons and don't want see them in the white house.
Only poor people who are victim of media melo drama are falling for it. This is so obivious that you can not win a general election with power/money/media when people hates you that much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 01/27/2008

One has to wonder why if Hillary is taking credit for her experience during the Clinton presidency, the pardons her brothers pushed hasn't come up as a campaign issue. It will come up in the general election.

Anthony Rodham (Hillarys brother), received $107,000 in fraudulent loans from United Shows International as compensation for securing a presidential pardon for Vonna Jo Gregory in 2000 from then-President Clinton. After the pardon "Anthony" never paid back the loan.

Hillary Clinton's brother Hugh Rodham , was paid approximately $200,000 from Almon Glenn Braswell, whom President Clinton pardoned for mail fraud and perjury, as was Carlos Vignali, whose sentence for cocaine trafficking was commuted. News of his involvement in the pardon controversy prompted an outrage in Washington, D.C.

If Hillary wants the credit for the Clinton presidency she should also be willing to answer questions about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 01/27/2008
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So fellow Democrats, here's our very worst possible scenario;

Obama wins the popular vote BUT with their super delegates,

the Clintons stack the convention hall. Outside in the streets,

Americans call for change but inside, it's old politics as usual.

It's Chicago all over again and the whole world is watching!!!

ST2P

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 01/27/2008
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Everybody is so gaga over Obama's 'massive victory'.


He won 25% of the white vote in his 'massive victory'. Put that on a national level and we are looking at a Republican president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 01/27/2008

GUESS WHO IS IN THE BACK OF THIS RACIAL TOSSING POLITICAL FUED....IF YOU GUESSED ROVE, YOU WERE RIGHT ON TARGET. THE REPUKLICANTS HATE CLINTON...IT MUST BE THEY FEAR HER GOING AFTER THEIR CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION TOOTH AND NAIL...THEY WANT HER OUT BAD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 01/27/2008

You write "Yesterday, an operative within the Clinton campaign... sought to diminish the significance of Obama's victory in the Palmetto state by pointing out that in 1988 Jesse Jackson won South Carolina". By "an operative within the Clinton campaign", do you mean Bill Clinton? He made this same point in an MSNBC interview. This is part of the Clintons' own "Southern Strategy" to drive a wedge between black and white voters. The Clintons should be ashamed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 01/27/2008
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Time for Republicans to admit Bush was/is a disaster. Time for liberals to realize that the Clinton's were/are morally corrupt. The sooner we can get rid of these two dynasties, the faster we can get on to the real issues Americans need our leaders to focus on.

Turn the page!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 01/27/2008

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What will Hillary do if her co-president continues to sexually harass employees/interns in the 2nd Clinton Whitehaouse?


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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 01/27/2008
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Hillary's game for maxing out her delegates: Agree with DNC that Michigan and Florida's delegates wouldn't be counted because they violated rules and held their caucuses early (so that they could instantly give themselves king making power). When no one else is looking, then sneak into Michigan and Florida and steal the vote. Next, petition to get the delegates reinstated. 350 delegates, instantly.
And the Clinton fans don't think she's been playing dirty. First there's the New Hampshire questions, then there's breaking an agreement because it will help HER win. That's the very definition of dirty politics...and if she gets the nomination, then dirty politics will become the norm. You live in Oregon? California? New York? Start begging now to get your primary moved up, because your vote in the primaries will be worth even less than ever before. If this is how elections are going to be played, then primaries will be decided before Super Tuesday. Or you could vote for someone else and send a message that this sort of garbage isn't tolerated. Your choice (though begging to have them moved up didn't seem to work too well for most states).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 01/27/2008
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