Clinton Camp Ignores Criticisms In Florida Push

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First Posted: 01-29-08 04:06 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign continued on Tuesday to push for the counting of Florida's delegates, even as more questions and criticisms were raised about the validity of the position.

In a conference call with reporters, several high-ranking Clinton officials repeatedly stressed their hope that delegates from the Sunshine State would be seated at the Democratic Party's summer convention, even though, months earlier, Clinton herself had supported an agreement saying they wouldn't.

"The decision not to seat delegates was the decision of the DNC [Democratic National Committee]," said chief campaign strategist Mark Penn, "and we are not here to get into an argument with the DNC or Chairman [Howard] Dean.... We think that a million people voting in this country matters."

At issue was the move by the DNC to punish Florida and Michigan for pushing up their presidential primaries by stripping them of their delegates. The move, which was greeted by a lawsuit from Florida Sen. Bill Nelson, was heavily debated at the time. But each Democratic candidate for president pledged to honor it by not campaigning in the state.

Up until a week ago, the pledges seemed mostly intact. All the major candidates had hosted fundraisers in the state, and Sen. Barack Obama had launched a national ad campaign that reached into Florida. But none of the White House contenders had openly pined for the state's delegates. Clinton, in particular, had publicly taken steps not to do so.

As far back as early October, the Miami Herald reported that the New York Democrat nixed attending an event hosted by her brother, Hugh Rodham, in Fort Lauderdale, out of concern that she could be violating the agreement.

Even earlier than that, the Tampa Tribune editorialized that Clinton's decision to void Florida was a "vexing" "flip-flop." The Senator, the paper reported, "had promised to campaign here despite the [DNC]'s retaliatory decision."

Around that time, moreover, Clinton's campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, said in a statement that, "We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process. And we believe the DNC's rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role."

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Yet on Tuesday, Doyle's stance was seemingly reversed. "If it is Obama's position that these delegates won't be allowed to participate in the convention, then we just have different positions," she told reporters.

What changed (if anything)? And why was the Clinton campaign worried about Florida's delegation but seemingly not Michigan's - which voted a few weeks back? Critics, ranging from the Obama campaign to political commentators, noted that Clinton's camp was raising hay only after its loss in South Carolina and with a Florida victory seeming imminent. On Tuesday, the conservative New Hampshire Union Leader argued that "Clinton coldly and knowingly lied to New Hampshire and Iowa" about her commitment to not campaign in Florida and Michigan.

Penn addressed this and other criticisms, noting that because Clinton was the sole name on the Michigan ballot it was not a comparable situation to what is transpiring in Florida.

"The other candidates had taken their names off the ballot," he said. "And while I feel we won the majority of those who cast the vote, there were not the names on the ballot. Here you have a situation where everyone's names are on the ballot and you have the playing field of no one campaigning."

Playing off that logic, a reporter asked whether Clinton now regretted signing a pledge that her campaign argued is disenfranchising voters.

"She doesn't think it was a mistake," communications director Howard Wolfson chimed in. "But I believe all candidates believe the situation is unfortunate...and something we would want to avoid going forward."

It was not hard to turn up a clip showing that, not far back, the Clinton camp had a bit more confidence in the DNC rules. "We are committed to honoring Iowa's role in the nominating process," the campaign was reported as saying in October. "We will support the pledge and not campaign or spend money in states violating the DNC rules."

Shortly after the Clinton call ended, Sen. Barack Obama's campaign held a conference of its own. The stated purpose was to discuss strategy heading into the February 5th super-primary. But plans changed. Sen. John Kerry, a surrogate jumped on the line to greet reporters.

"I've been alerted to a Clinton conference call," he began. "I know that what this race is about right now and ultimately it is about delegates. That's what the Clinton campaign has described it as being about. The bottom line is that Florida does not offer any delegates it is not a legitimate race, [and] it should not become a spin race or a fabricated race."

Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign continued on Tuesday to push for the counting of Florida's delegates, even as more questions and criticisms were raised about the validity of the position...
Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign continued on Tuesday to push for the counting of Florida's delegates, even as more questions and criticisms were raised about the validity of the position...
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This morning on MSNBC, Clinton surrogate Senator Bill Nelson, as part of a continued effort to hype Clinton's anachronistic FL "victory", highlighted her superior performance across all demographics---with one notable caveat. Nelson concedes Obama decisively won "THE BLACK VOTE" in FL that, looking ahead to Super Tuesday, only gives him marginal and inadequate "POCKETS OF SUPPORT."
This is further evidence that Hillary Clinton continues to rely on her establishment sycophants (including Bill Clinton, with his Jesse Jackson assertions after South Carolina, etc.) to pursue a Southern Strategy: a desperate, futile and shameless attempt to racially polarize the electorate and relegate Obama to the status of a candidate who is for, by, and of African Americans alone. This racial triangulation will continue to backfire because it outrages African American, white, Latino and Asian Democrats alike. Please make people aware of Senator Nelson's comments!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 01/31/2008

Florida Democratic Party Chairwoman Thurman, Senator Geller and Representative Gelber submitted to Florida"s Secretary of State the names of our Party"s presidential candidates for placement on the January 29, 2008 Democratic Presidential Preference Primary ballot. State law allows candidates who wish to withdraw from the Florida primary to do so by filing an affidavit stating that he or she is not a candidate for President of the United States of America.

In other words:

to get off the ballot in Florida, a candidate has to swear that he or she isn"t running for President.

GOOD WORK FLORIDA LAWMAKERS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 01/30/2008

Chairwoman Karen L. Thurman
“On January 29, 2008, there will be a fair and open election in Florida, which will provide for maximum voter participation. The Florida Democratic Party is fully committed to January 29th, and the people of Florida will make it count by going to the polls and casting their votes. The nation will be paying attention on January 29th, and Florida Democrats will have a major impact in determining who the next President of the United States of America will be.”

Rep. Joyce Cusack, House Democratic Leader Pro Tempore and DNC Member from Florida
“Florida has seen too many controversial elections and far too much disenfranchisement in the past. No more, I say. We're sticking with January 29th, and we’re going to make it count.”

Rep. Luis Garcia, Vice Chair of the Florida Democratic Party
“No matter what decisions are made in Washington, Florida Democrats are 100% committed to delivering Florida and electing a Democratic Presidency in 2008 – and we will succeed.” [“No importa que decisión se hace en Washington, los Demócratas de la Florida están dedicado el cien por ciento a eligir un Presidente Demócrata en 2008 - algo que vamos a lograr,” dijo Luis Garcia, Vice Presidente del Partido.]
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The Party does not consider the January 29th election a "beauty contest" or a "straw poll." On January 29, 2008, there will be a fair and open primary election in Florida, which will provide for maximum voter participation --

calling it anything but an election is disrespectful and misleading.

http://www.makeitcountflorida.com/page/content/makeitcount-people/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 01/30/2008

This story ought to cripple the Clinton campaign. After eight years of a President who thinks will not abide by the rule of law, we do not need another President who thinks the rules apply only to other people.

I can't believe Clinton supporters are trying to spin this--even the biggest Clinton supporter has to admit this is deeply, deeply troubling. Clinton campaigned in Iowa and New Hampshire with the promise that she wouldn't campaign in Florida, and then she broke her promise. Now, she won't even admit it was a mistake to make the promise in the first place. She's reading from the Bush play book; it's almost uncanny how much this move resembles the mindset of George W. Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 01/30/2008

For all of you disgusted by Hillary's blind ambition, I might suggest that the ambition to be president has to be blind and the candidate has to be willing to exploit any advantage presented. Obama certainly didn't reach the Senate on good looks and nice talk alone. For a suprisingly balanced look at his political trajectory and how he managed to get where he is, I recommend this article in the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/us/politics/30obama.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 01/30/2008

Howard Dean revealed a lot with that scream

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 01/30/2008

Tucker Carlson said today no one in the media has anything but criticism of Hillary Clinton no matter what she does, he didn't know why, but it seems to be the way it is.

Carlson said when it comes to Obama, the media has given him a pass and wondered when the media will actually take a look at him and tell the public who is this guy?

My question is: who writes the rules in the media that says no one is allowed to say anything positive about Clinton? Especially as the commentators are all male, and occassionally when they have a young female, she is pro-Obama (a distortion of the female voters sentiments). It would be comparable to only having Black male commentors who said vile things about Obama on a daily dose.

Clintons played by the rules in Florida. Florida represents the first real "poll" that is accurate - no one campaigned there and still Clinton beat Obama by double digits and beat McCain by 160,000 votes, or 5% of the total Republican and Democratic vote cast of 3.2 million.

I have respect for Hillary Clinton and am sick of the vile media coverage of her, that is filled with sexism as if the rules for her as a woman are not the same as for a male candidate - to the point of out and out distortion and libel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 01/30/2008

I hope they don't get away with their cheating ways (Clintons) but than I had that same hope the 1st and 2nd time Bush ran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 01/30/2008

The Collective body of delegates can vote to include the delegates in the excluded states at the Denver Convention, maybe earlier directly to the Committee in June. It may be up to the Party as a whole or just the DNC Committee.­..Hillary'­s delegates will vote to include. After Feb 5th that will be a very large number, but maybe not enough if Obama and Edwards delegates stay with their candidates and combine to vote against. Might look like sour grapes tho...Obama (not Clinton or Edwards) has been running Cable TV ads in FL for a week or ten days...only SC Dems gave him the okay to do that, not the DNC!

It was a powerplay by the DNC to apease the delegates from IA, NH, NV and SC and to force the State Parties to move their primariy/caucus back to Feb 5th..but in FL the Repub legislature (not the Party) made the decision to move the date forward so the Repubs could have the stage to themselves...the state foots the bill, the state had the final say. I don't know what the DNC was thinking, dissing FL completely...after all the other problems we have had there? Even the Repub's had sense enough not to exclude all their delegates! The turnout was impressive despite the questions of validity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 01/30/2008
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A win is a win. Hillary won by double digits in FL, despite Ted Kennedy, Oprah and the entire media being behind Obama. California will be the same, as will NY, NJ, AZ, NM, PA,.. etc

Obama is done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 01/30/2008

For those of you who say this is a beauty contest/name recognition...

This has been one of the most widely watched and covered primary in decades, you're saying that Floridians missed all of that?

You're assuming they live in a vacuum and don't know what's going on?

Over 800,000 thousand people voted for her - Obama didn't even beat McCain or Romney in votes and now he's insulting them.

Good luck winning the general election without Florida...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 01/30/2008

Some of CNN's pundits are slamming Clinton for promoting the win in FL. She did win overwhelmingly, but on name recognition only. Likewise, Obama and Edwards would make a strong showing in a state with a wider demographic of democrats. Howard Dean and the national DNC are morons for discounting MI and FL's delegates. FL and MI are too important to pass up. It's one thing to make a point, but to encourage the candidates to sign a pledge not to campaign, and to basically cede FL to the republicans in Nov. is a boneheaded move. Quite frankly, Obama, Edwards and Clinton have no excuse for signing that stupid pledge. Obama's camp should remain silent after this, so as not keep the story alive. Likewise, it's hard for him to complain when he's been running commercials in the state via national cable outlets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 01/30/2008

The Clintons are so out of control. They are blinded by their ambitions. Makes you think about the 2000 election if either of them was in Gore's position. We probably wouldn't be in Iraq. This evening, while I decided I will not vote for her in the primary, I won't be upset if Hillary gets the nomination because she and Bill will annihilate the republican candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 01/30/2008

Isn't this just another example of the do anything to win mentality. She was always ahead by these margins until the candidates got in there and campaigned. It seems a little disingenuous to me that she would go there and declare victory in a game where she was the only player. Reeks of desperation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 01/30/2008
- BigBen I'm a Fan of BigBen 4 fans permalink

Big Bill Bennett probably lost a fortune backing Romney to win in Florida, hence his truculence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 01/30/2008
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