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War Opponents Dispute Clinton's Account Of Levin Amendment

February 1, 2008 01:11 PM


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War opponents say Sen. Hillary Clinton is misleading in her explanation about why she voted in 2003 against a bill that would have stalled America's invasion of Iraq.

During Thursday night's debate, the New York Democrat was asked why, if she did not believe the President was insistent on war, she didn't simply vote for a resolution that would have asked the United Nations to approve authorization of force against Saddam Hussein. Clinton responded that such a resolution -- which was sponsored by Michigan Senator Carl Levin -- would have made the president's authority "subordinate" to the United Nations.

"I have the greatest respect for my friend and colleague, Senator Levin," she said. "The way that amendment was drafted suggested that the United States would subordinate whatever our judgment might be going forward to the United Nations Security Council. I don't think that was a good precedent. Therefore, I voted against it."

This, war opponents say, is a stretch. Indeed, the Levin amendment - which was defeated by a vote of 24 to 75 - allowed the government to pursue an invasion of Iraq even if the United Nations voted against such a course of action. Congress, the bill read, should "not adjourn" before it "promptly considers proposals related to Iraq if the United Nations fails to adopt such a resolution."

Levin himself said as much in an October speech on the Senate floor. "My resolution affirms that, under international law and the U.N. Charter, the United States has at all times the inherent right to use military force in self-defense, affirming the fact that there is no U.N. veto over U.S. military action," he said.

Asked on Friday to respond to the Levin quote, Phil Singer, a spokesperson for the Senator sent a quote from Sen. Russ Feingold warning that the Levin amendment would give the United Nations "Congress's proxy in deciding whether or not to send American men and women into combat." Feingold, a prominent war critic, voted against the measure as well.

Meanwhile, aides to Levin declined to elaborate on the statement Clinton made during Thursday night's debate, directing attention instead to remarks made during the pre-war run up. But, in an article by Al Hunt, a spokesman for the senator reaffirmed that the resolution was not in any way a restriction on executive power.

In interviews on Friday, war opponents echoed this claim. At the time of the invasion, they note, there were tremendous political pressures to support the war (especially for Senate candidates and those with White House aspirations). But the Levin amendment was hardly the cause celebre of the pacifist or pro-'global government' crowd.

"This was not just a vote about Saddam Hussein. It was about the United Nations and international support," said former Congressman Tom Andrews, who now heads Win Without War. "It did not, in any way, impede or impose on the sovereignty of the United States."

Added John Isaacs of the Council for a Livable World. "It basically said we should go to the United Nations and get approval as the first George Bush did... Levin was correct and Hillary Clinton is incorrect in what she said last night. It would not have hamstrung the United States. And, in fact, most people now would have wished the President were hamstrung... Hilary's comment would have been relevant only if she believed the first George Bush was wrong to get UN approval and international support."

In an op-ed written well after the fact, former Sen. Lincoln Chafee, the only Republican Senator to oppose the war, described the amendment in much the same frame.

Senator Levin's amendment called for United Nations approval before force could be authorized. It was unambiguous and compatible with international law. Acutely cognizant of the dangers of the time, and the reality that diplomatic options could at some point be exhausted, Senator Levin wrote an amendment that was nimble: it affirmed that Congress would stand at the ready to reconsider the use of force if, in the judgment of the president, a United Nations resolution was not "promptly adopted" or enforced. Ceding no rights or sovereignty to an international body, the amendment explicitly avowed America's right to defend itself if threatened.

Last night, Senator Clinton was not asked a follow up to the question about the Levin amendment. Bush she repeated a statement she has repeatedly made on the campaign trail. "If I had known then what I know now," she declared, "I never would have given President Bush the authority. It was a sincere vote based on my assessment at the time and what I believed he would do with the authority he was given."

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BORAK OBAMA WAS AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR FROM THE BEGINNING.

And this rase questions about his FAMOUS JUDGEMENT.

In2002

KENNEDY VOTED AGAINST THE WAR on the base of known facts and secret information and estimates.

CLINTON VOTED FOR THE WAR on the base of known facts and secret informatio and estimates.

OBAMA MADE HIS MIND AND DESIDED TO SPEAK AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR only on the base of open information.

On my opinion to take position on the matter of such importanse only on the information from progressive newspapers,was irresponsible rush.

I don't like this kind of Judgment at all.

For me it IS ROLL OF DICE,guys.

And then FLIPS AND FLOPS IN THE SENATE.

And for those ,who think that his position on the war is strong case,will be amaised,how bed and weak this UNPATRIOTIC POSITION IS.

It will go down ,like HOUSE OF CARDS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 AM on 02/03/2008

McCain is a war monger..a hero you say..what about all the other POW's..McCain was a drunk and a womanizer..he about got booted out of the service..he learned to be a good pilot..but not good enough because he got shot down..but theres many more heros than John McCain who wants to reinstate the draft and send our men and women to their death..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 AM on 02/03/2008

NOT MANY THINGS HEAT ME UP . . .

But when I hear Senator Clinton blithely dismiss her utter lack of courage AT THE VERY MOMENT a voice of leadership could've saved thousands of lives, I fairly leap from my seat in frustration.

And Wolf Blitzer, a Clinton supporter who tossed her soooo many bones during that debate, just passes over her canned response.

Folks . . .

We violated the letter and the spirit of our founding documents in our rush to war. Think of James Madison's remonstration against preemptive war. Would this have passed the litmus test of our founders? NO!

JFK, when confronted by an angry majority of advisers that wanted him to "drop the big one and see what happens," said he would not break a 177 year precedent of invading no nation that has not attacked us first.

AND NOW, BREATHLESSLY, THE TALKING HEADS TELL US: You think the economy is most important now.

Really? And what key US expenditure might have undermined our economy, rotting it from the roots up. How might constant instability in the price of oil, hence, energy in general have suddenly emerged, oh, during the Iraq War?

Judgment. Judgment. Judgment. Three votes for war and the imperial executive power wage it at whim.

Said Adlai Stevenson, "The American people get the government they deserve."

Are we to even consider a candidate that would support a war against a nation-state that NEVER attacked us?

There is no gray area here. None.

A vote for Hillary is a vote FOR the war. And, regardless of how much she mangles the English language to paint a pretty picture of a CATASTROPHIC ERROR, she cannot re-write history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 02/03/2008

Those naive muslims would dream that US ,after thousands killed in 9/11,will catch Osama,and will try to put him behind the bars in the international courts for 5-10 years,that would be a great example for terrorists,free soup forever.
They are ready to blow up themselves,and if lucky anybody near.
So ,i think Hillary was right,and Osama was wrong.
Obama was wrong too.

General POWEL was PATRIOT ,that's why HE was right too.
Now,after 5 years your sub inch shorter and you start complaining

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 02/02/2008

Here are the Senators who were RIGHT in 2002!! Notice Hillary is NOT on this list. She voted with John McCain, Orrin Hatch, et.al. Ready from day one??? On the the biggest issue of her Senatorial life. She trusted George W. Bush with a blank check. Shame on her... and shame on those Democratic Party enablers who don't hold her accountable.

Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 02/02/2008

It's interesting how a candidate that wasn't elected in the Senate while on the side lines can say that they were "against the war" from the start. How politically convenient is this? Being a Senator requires making tough decisions. But when a candidate was not a part of the record, and faced with tough decisions, then, political convenience comes to mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 02/02/2008

ok

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 02/02/2008

Hillary simply LIED about the Levin amendment.

The only thing missing was she wasn't wagging her finger at all of us while lying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 02/02/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 02/02/2008

This is a post for folks with a short memory. The NATO bombing of the Serbs was done without UN sanction, and it is possible that future, similar, actions would be necessary without UN Security Council approval. In short, (though I personally was, at the time hoping that the UN would be able to influence/stop Bush's decision to invade Iraq) it is a mistake to tie our foreign policy so directly to the actions of the UN. Bombing the Serbs was the right thing to do, while attacking Iraq was really dumb.

It is a mistake to absolve our responsibility. The big American failure was electing Bush and not anticipating how awful his presidency would be. As Hillary said on Thursday night, if she would have been president, we never would have invaded Iraq. Those who favored Bush over Gore (e.g.'s;your hostess, the MSM in general, and, of course, those who voted for Bush) are, to a significant degree, responsible for what has happened in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 02/02/2008

Wake up, Hillary has the same handlers as George Bush on the big issue and game plan for one world. She's a neocon infiltrate in the Democratic party. Oh sure Hillary and Obama's policies are not that different with one exception: war. She's already for day one alright because the issue of wars without end has already been decided for her. We've all been waiting for a woman president and what do we get? An American Jezzebel. More and more Americans will be sent to weep and die on the rivers of Babylon. Literally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 02/02/2008

Your headline is very misleading. War opponents - there are many - and the majority are voting for Hillary.

Stop skewing facts or people will start laughing at your comments like they're doing to CNN's pundits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 02/02/2008

JohnCT argues: "Bush's statement was not a part of the Act"

Actually it was. The following is in the JR. What part of "or action will be avoidable" don't you HRC bashers understand?


"Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to `work with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challenge' posed by Iraq and to `work for the necessary resolutions,' while also making clear that `the Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidable'"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 02/02/2008

As a former Clinton cheerleader I know how it is. You ignore and shrug when you hear anything against them. I was one of these blind cheerleaders. But thanks to the internet, I can do a bit more research myself, since media is not going to do is job and is betting on the Clintons and they don't want be on the wrong side of power, I have to do it for myself. And I can see what was said about them all these time was correct. These guys are the original Rove/Bush machine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 02/02/2008

BORAK OBAMA WAS AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR FROM THE BEGINNING.

And this rase questions about his FAMOUS JUDGEMENT.

In2002

KENNEDY VOTED AGAINST THE WAR on the base of known facts and secret information and estimates.

CLINTON VOTED FOR THE WAR on the base of known facts and secret informatio and estimates.

OBAMA MADE HIS MIND AND DESIDED TO SPEAK AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR only on the base of open information.

On my opinion to take position on the matter of such importanse only on the information from progressive newspapers,was irresponsible rush.

I don't like this kind of Judgment at all.

For me it IS ROLL OF DICE,guys.

And then FLIPS AND FLOPS IN THE SENATE.

And for those ,who think that his position on the war is strong case,will be amaised,how bed this UNPATRIOTIC POSITION IS.

It will go down ,like HOUSE OF CARDS.



    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 02/02/2008
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