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DNC Urged to End Fight Over Delegates

BRENDAN FARRINGTON | February 4, 2008 02:43 PM EST | AP


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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — The woman who oversaw the documentation of voter disenfranchisement during the disputed 2000 presidential election has asked the Democratic Party to settle a fight with Florida and Michigan to avoid damage to the party.

Mary Frances Berry, who served as U.S. Commission on Civil Rights chairwoman until 2004, is concerned that there will be a battle at the August convention over the seating of delegates from the two states. The Democratic National Committee stripped the states of their delegates as punishment for moving up their primaries before Feb. 5.

"There will be a challenge at the convention and there will be a big, bloody fight with everybody arguing," she said in an interview. "And at the end of the day you have people going away angry and it's hard to get them together for the general election."

Berry and Roger Wilkins, a George Mason University history professor and former Justice Department official involved in the civil rights movement, sent Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean a letter via e-mail Sunday.

"Public floor fights have served the party badly in the past. They left deep-seated ill-will and preceded Democratic Party defeats in 1968 and 1972," the letter said. "Resolution of this issue is a matter of fairness, justice and practicality."

The DNC declined to comment.

The letter also pointed out that the Democratic Party supported the Help America Vote Act and the Voting Rights Act, both of which "helped ease discontent over disenfranchisement" after the 2000 election, which President Bush won by 537 votes in Florida after five weeks of recounts.

Florida and Michigan are pushing to have the delegates restored, and New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has said the delegates should be seated.

Her rival, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, hasn't made such a push, but it's widely expected that whoever the nominee is will try to seat the delegates for the sake of party unity. Wilkins is an Obama supporter. Berry is not registered with either major party.

Clinton won both states' primaries, but Obama's name wasn't on the Michigan ballot and neither candidate campaigned in either state for the four months leading up to the election after signing pledges to protect the interests of party-approved early voting states.

The DNC's decision to strip the states of all delegates caused critics to say they also stripped millions of Democrats of their right to vote. Florida Sen. Bill Nelson and Rep. Alcee Hastings made that case in a federal lawsuit, which they lost.

"This is an issue about the possible disenfranchisement of people and what makes practical sense and what would be fair," Berry said.

Berry said she isn't recommending how the dispute gets resolved, only that it gets resolved well before the convention.

Berry served on the civil rights commission for 25 years and oversaw the 2001 report that studied the Florida election and found thousands of voters, particularly black voters, were disenfranchised.

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Obama's Florida ad also ran in Iowa, NH, Nevada which had already had their primaries & caucuses. He was the only candidate that ran the national ad because he had the money. Also, accepting PAC money is very different from having PAC's run ads that you don't approve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 02/10/2008
- mrJJ I'm a Fan of mrJJ permalink

Michigan & Florida delegates had a choice to abide by the rules or not. They made their decision... Now the want to cry foul? They were given 30 days to change their minds...

DNC Strips Florida Of 2008 Delegates
No Convention Slots Unless Later Primary Is Set

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/25/AR2007082500275.html?hpid=topnews

Judge OKs DNC sanctions over Fla. primary

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-05-florida-primary_N.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-05-florida-primary_N.htm



Its a long long road..... States waiting in the wings to get a chance to let their votes be counted.

Feb 9th
Louisiana primaries
Nebraska caucuses
Washington caucuses

Feb 10th
Maine caucuses

Feb 12th
District of Columbia primaries
Maryland primaries
Virginia primaries

Feb 19th
Hawaii caucuses
Washington primaries
Wisconsin primaries

March 4th
Ohio primaries
Rhode Island primaries
Texas primaries
Vermont primaries

March 8th
Wyoming caucuses

March 11th
Mississippi primaries

April 22nd
Pennsylvania primaries

May 6th
Indiana primaries
North Carolina primaries

May 13th
West Virginia primary

May 20th
Kentucky primaries
Oregon primaries

June 3rd
Montana primary
South Dakota primaries



    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 02/05/2008

Personally I think stripping the states of all of their delegates was harsh, but if there was going to be a change, it had to be done before the vote--not after. Florida and Michigan delegates should be disallowed unless there are new primaries in those states. If the DNC changes its mind now after the fact, then it is untrustworthy as a party. Anything other than new primaries and a new vote is cheating. Its the process that's at stake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 02/04/2008

Maybe Berry should find out how this started, what the procedures are, in fact, know her head from a hole in the ground. It is not all that hard to find out, yes, I do know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 02/04/2008

Obama also held a press conference in Florida the day after signing the pledge!

Typical Washington Politician.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 02/04/2008
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Split the Delegates from both States between Obama and Hillary and that would settle the the problem since

John Edwards is no longer a Candidate

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 02/04/2008
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Revote in May. That's the only way to fairly do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 02/04/2008

Hey, their state officials didn't play by the rules, if the voters want to be pissed at someone, be pissed at them, they knew well in advance what would happen if they went ahead and moved up the primary date. The parties have rules for a reason, and if they didn't enforce them, it would create chaos, and it wouldn't be fair to those states that did follow the rules.

Aside from that, the results in those two states are tainted because Obama and Edwards weren't allowed to campaign there, whereas Hillary got double benefit from this because a) she was the default candidate so the less voters know about alternatives the more votes she gets and b) Bill had been running all over Florida before the primary campaigning for Hillary, basically cheating, which also helps her. No, if they want to seat the delegates, they need to hold new primaries in these states, and give all candidates (well Obama and Hillary at this point) equal time to campaign there and do it right. This way the results are fair, and they still get penalized for not playing by the rules (they have to move to the back of the line, just like in grade school), yet they still get their vote counted in the end. That is fair. Seating them as is is NOT fair, to anyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 02/04/2008
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I thought this thing was already settled? Looks like some more Slick oil being poured into the waters...

DNC Strips Florida Of 2008 Delegates
No Convention Slots Unless Later Primary Is Set

Sunday, August 26, 2007; Page A01

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/25/AR2007082500275.html?hpid=topnews


Judge OKs DNC sanctions over Fla. primary

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-05-florida-primary_N.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 02/04/2008

I'm glad their are going to duke this out now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 02/04/2008

Unfortunately, those votes are tainted and even more so since Hillary left her name on the Michigan ballot and campaigned in Florida. I feel bad about this, but you can't change the rules in the middle of the game and Clinton's people were happy with the rules until she lost two states that played by the rules. She took a calculated risk and one that should bite her in the ass. She should not be able to pick and chose amongst spoiled fruit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 02/04/2008
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