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Krugman Claims Obama Supporters Are Cult-Like

First Posted: 03/28/08 03:45 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 01:25 PM ET

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Over the weekend, at his eponymous blog at The Atlantic, Matthew Yglesias warned of "the anti-Obama backlash brewing in the press" that was poised to hit "full stride." I remember wondering how that was going to take shape. It should have occurred to me: Paul Krugman was going to manufacture it!

In a long screed in this morning's New York Times, Krugman fulminates far and wide on the sins of the Obama camp. "I won't try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody." He believes that the Obama campaign is "dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality. (Oh, really?) He finds it "saddening" how "many Obama supporters seem happy with the application of 'Clinton rules'" which is, "the term a number of observers use for the way pundits and some news organizations treat any action or statement by the Clintons, no matter how innocuous, as proof of evil intent."

Well, it's a good thing he's not faking evenhandedness here! Krugman makes a lot of bold claims, and then fails to substantiate every single one of them. As to his claim that "most of the venom" is emanating from the Obama camp, he provides not a single shred of evidence. He provides no example of the Obama supporters, evincing the behavior that "saddens" him. Frankly, he fails to pull off the whole "cult of personality" charge as well, but my wife, having earned a deep dislike of chanted mantras from her work at elementary school, finds the constant "Yes we can!" refrain deeply grating, so I'm happy to sympathize with Krugman on that point.

The only thing that passes for evidence in Krugman's piece is "the way the press covered Whitewater" back in the 1990s, and the recent remarks of David Shuster - who a) is not a member of the Obama camp, b) was punished swiftly for his remarks, and c) hardly represents the tip of the iceberg of unfair Clinton commentary on MSNBC, which d) has not escaped the attention of the press or similarly aggrieved protesters. Clinton has, admittedly, more than her fair share of nemeses among those who cover the news - Chris Matthews and Bill Kristol come most clearest to the mind. But by and large, their enmity was in place long before Barack Obama arrived on the scene and emerges independently of the Obama campaign's actions. What's more, should Obama quit the scene today, those who bare their anti-Clinton bias are not likely to ease up.

In short, a strong case can be made that Clinton's been roughly treated by the press. The case that cannot be made is that the Obama campaign is culpable for this treatment. The fact of the matter is, the Obama campaign has already been famously cited for the extent to which they avoid courting the press. Writing for the Washington Post, media critic Howard Kurtz complained only weeks ago that the Obama campaign "makes only spotty attempts to drive its preferred story lines in the press," and that is "aloof," "not obsessed with winning the news cycle," and not given to launching campaign "charm offensives." Ironically, the reason the Obama campaign gives for their tactics was the hard lesson they were dealt when an example of the "venom" Krugman describes leached into the press:

But ever since Obama was embarrassed by a staff memo that assailed Hillary Clinton as the senator from "Punjab" (over her contributions from Indian Americans), he has ordered his team to steer clear of pejorative attacks not based on public actions.

Kurtz, by the way, notes a point of comparison between the Obama and the Clinton campaigns. The Clinton camp "aggressively lobbies journalists around the clock." And this is how kindergarten essays make it into the news cycle. This is how questionnaires and false concerns over a candidate's liberalism fuel fervor one week while neutral observations of Ronald Reagan's presidency inflame false concerns over the same candidate's conservatism the next. This is how an A-list columnist - typically zealous about leaving no claim unsupported by evidence - very breezily and comfortably abandons those standards one morning to write a hit piece on those who've hit not. But none dare call this venom.

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Over the weekend, at his eponymous blog at The Atlantic, Matthew Yglesias warned of "the anti-Obama backlash brewing in the press" that was poised to hit "full stride." I remember wondering how that ...
Over the weekend, at his eponymous blog at The Atlantic, Matthew Yglesias warned of "the anti-Obama backlash brewing in the press" that was poised to hit "full stride." I remember wondering how that ...
 
 
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12:44 AM on 02/19/2008
I am at a loss for words. All I can say is wow.

It takes some grit to read these kinds of comment threads. This is an amazing amount of hatred people have for Obama.

Even though Obama is ahead in the numbers I am in awe of the machine he will still have to overcome to actually get the nomination. It is nowhere near over and the ugliness has just begun.

This scorched Earth policy is going to have a detrimental effect on the Democratic nominee. The splitting of the party may already be inevitable for some at this point.

I have to admit, and I haven't felt this way until recently when I have noticed these attacks on Obama, but I will have quite a moment of satisfaction if Obama wins after all of this.

What will all of the trolls do if Hillary loses? I really hope to get a chance to see that day.

I voted for Bill twice in the 90s but I may abstain from voting at all if Hillary is elected. If this is the sort of politics that she will use to try and enact her so-called 10 point plan, you can kiss that baby goodbye, just like she f$%ked it up in the 90s with health care.
07:54 PM on 02/22/2008
The "hatred" you claim people have for Obama is not hatred; it's frustration that so many people are willing to not view him as any other person, that somehow this man--and I'll bet you know very little about him--is MORE perfect, more clean, more REAL than anyone else. Hogwash! Obama has more lobbyists working for him than Clinton; one of his largest contributors is the largest nuclear energy company in the US; and while he doesn't take money from federal lobbyists, he takes it from their spouses (of course, most spouses who don't have a full-time job always have an extra $10,000 lying around the house) and state lobbyists. And now he may backtrack on his pledge re: public financing in the general election. Sure, he represents change. But, of course, his supporters always find an excuse. No criticism of him is EVER justified; it's all based on hatred, racism, or just plain meanness (those bad, bad people). Just trust him, and he will take care of all our troubles.
07:47 AM on 02/24/2008
I'm so insulted by Krugman's comments about me and other Obama supporters that I took my Krugman books off the shelf today and threw them in the trash. If he can be so wrong about this matter how can I trust his writings on economics?
06:44 PM on 02/13/2008
Did anybody else find this comment strange. Krugman said:

"One of the most hopeful moments of this presidential campaign came last month, when a number of Jewish leaders signed a letter condemning the smear campaign claiming that Mr. Obama was a secret Muslim. It"s a good guess that some of those leaders would prefer that Mr. Obama not become president...".

WHY IS IT A 'GOOD GUESS' THAT JEWISH LEADERS WOULD PREFER THAT OBAMA NOT BECOME PRESIDENT???

Is he saying Jews are racist?
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01:55 PM on 02/19/2008
"WHY IS IT A 'GOOD GUESS' THAT JEWISH LEADERS WOULD PREFER THAT OBAMA NOT BECOME PRESIDENT???"

Am catching this thread late.

Interesting you saw that. Basically he's saying that these Jews condemned calling Obama a muslim, and that's surprising because these leaders wouldn't normally prefer him? Why, because he might be a Muslim...??

If it's not that, then he's insinuating that Jews in general back Hilary -- why? Because she's a greater friend of Israel, and has proven that by supporting unpopular actions in the Middle East.

What a back door way of saying what others are saying.

I generally like Krugman. I think he is very smart, and honestly wants what's good for America, and uses his platform to argue in favor of the broad progressive agenda.

However, I find it sad that he's being pulled into this race and forced to back someone (because of his position of prominence), and he's chosen to go this route.
02:57 PM on 02/12/2008
I for one am sick of these threats from the Obama cultists about not voting for Hillary should she become the nominee. Of course, how could I expect anything more from them since their great "uniter" candidate and massiah has basically said the same damned thing. Add to that list, Michelle Obama who said she would have "to think about" voting for Hillary. With Democrats like these, who needs Republicans?
03:43 PM on 02/12/2008
I've noticed exactly what Krugman is saying. The venom online against Hillary is from the Obama camp. You don't really see the reverse. This shocked me. Many of Obama's young supporters may not be old enough to know the huge difference between the Clinton years and the Bush years or the gigantic step it was for women when Hillary became first lady and Bill said "you get 2 for 1." They may not remember how courageously she and Bill worked for African Americans - in a racist state, Arkansas. Maybe Obama supporters just assume the Republican talking points are true. They're not.

I like and respect Obama and will work to support him if he's the nominee. I wish Obama supporters felt the same since we have 2 historic, great candidates. Hillary is a fantastic woman and I'm shocked at the horrific treatment she's receiving from her own party. Let's make sure our comments are based on facts and issues.

If this hateful anger continues online, we might as well crown McCain.
02:46 PM on 02/13/2008
Exactly. I strongly mistrust a democratic candidate that claims the GOP was the party of ideas when the dems were not. What kind of crap is that to say, coming from a fellow democrat?? Obama is a Trojan Horse.
01:50 PM on 02/12/2008
OK Obama people - prove that you are not a cult of personality. Prove that you put results before charisma.
Tell us what top 3 policies you would have an Obama presidency implement.
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peskyliberal
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02:05 PM on 02/12/2008
1. A quick and orderly withdrawl for Iraq.
2. Revoke tax cut to companies that ship job that can be done in America offshore.
3. Move toward Universal Health Care
03:24 PM on 02/12/2008
All 3 are Hillary's top initiatives and she came up with 2 and 3 first.
03:20 PM on 02/12/2008
Come on! Show us you're not like a middle-aged matron throwing her panties at Elvis!
Where's the Beef!!!?
01:35 PM on 02/12/2008
JASON YOU WRITE: As to his claim that "most of the venom" is emanating from the Obama camp, he provides not a single shred of evidence. He provides no example of the Obama supporters, evincing the behavior that "saddens" him.

Well Jason my dear.. the EVIDENCE you're looking for is right under your nose. It's right here on JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER pro OBAMA post!! On every page, every article, every paragraph!~!

If that's not enough proof for you, you can start scouring the net.. or better yet... why not ask people to send you EMAIL PROOF!

Then again, better not... the VOLUME you'd receive would CRASH your HUFF's entire SYSTEM!
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Cogito ergo sum. Cogito.
12:32 PM on 02/12/2008
I tend to agree with Krugman. I was an Edwards supporter and am now in limbo. One thing I have repeatedly noticed reading posts here and other places is that the Obama supporters seem far more prone to rabid attacks on the Clintons and the Clinton administration. And they have the my way or the highway outlook swearing they never could vote for Hillary Clinton.

I haven't noticed anything like that vitriol from the Clinton supporters. Far more of them seem ready to vote for Obama if he is the Democratic nominee.

Although I am troubled by Clinton's totally repulsive actions on the war, she would still be better on that issue than Bush butt-kisser McCain. I am also troubled by Obama's votes to fund the war.

It is on the economy where Clinton has a big edge. She can rightfully claim that she will return to the successful policies of Bill Clinton. That is an economic model that works. (And please Obama supporters, don't give me the cultist, revisionist baloney that Clinton was terrible). Obama is just a total unknown on economic policy.

So, although I haven't yet decided for which candidate I will vote in the primary, I am leaning to Clinton because of the fanaticism of Obama's supporters which is a real turn off and the advantage Clinton offers in economic policy. I remain open to sane arguments from either side--and I will happily vote in the general election for WHICHEVER DEMOCRATIC candidate wins the nomination.
01:18 PM on 02/12/2008
I bought obama's book, The Audacity of Hope, last year. I was impressed with his writing and his intellect. But the more I saw and heard from him, the less I started to like him. The first thing that started to bother me was his pandering to religion by bringing his faith into the campaign. Secondly it was his tour with a rabid homophobe and racist. Then it was his praise of the GOP. When he said the GOP was the party of ideas when the dems were not, I remember thinking, what kind of shit is that to say, for a dem. Then there is his continuous attempts to lay blame for the Iraq fiasco in Hillary's lap, when the real blame is with those that planned it, packaged it and sold it to the American people. We were all lied to, by very skillful liars. Professional snake oil salesmen. Obama should be beating the GOP over the head for how badly they have screwed things up. Instead, he blames a fellow democrat. I was going to vote for him if he got the nomination, now I really have to think about it. He seems more republican than dem.
01:36 PM on 02/12/2008
JASON YOU WRITE: As to his claim that "most of the venom" is emanating from the Obama camp, he provides not a single shred of evidence. He provides no example of the Obama supporters, evincing the behavior that "saddens" him.

Well Jason my dear.. the EVIDENCE you're looking for is right under your nose. It's right here on JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER pro OBAMA post!! On every page, every article, every paragraph!~!
If that's not enough proof for you, you can start scouring the net.. or better yet... why not ask people to send you EMAIL PROOF!
Then again, better not... the VOLUME you'd receive would CRASH your HUFF's entire SYSTEM!
12:20 PM on 02/12/2008
The difference I've heard from Clinton supporters is that they will happily vote for any Democrat for president. The (largely) younger, more naive and somewhat petulant Obama supporters are saying it's Barack or nothing. Really helpful, eh?
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12:50 PM on 02/12/2008
It's about putting one's cards on the table. No one is obligated to vote for Hillary, or Obama for that matter, if they don't believe in them. So it's not about being "helpful" ... we aren't employees of the Democratic party and we are free to make our decision as we choose.

I'm 46 years old, myself, so don't put down the young folks for exercising their freedom of choice ... it's their right, as it is the right of every American.
01:26 PM on 02/12/2008
If we don't stick together as a party, you can look forward to another 4 years of neo-con malfeasence. It's that simple. Politics in America has always been about choosing the lesser of two evils. That hasn't changed in over two centuries. If obama gets the nod, I will probably hold my nose and vote for him, simply because having another republican for 4 more years may be more than this nation can stand. But obama supporters, like you, aren't willing to vote for Hillary if she gets the nod.
It is my right to try to change their minds, and do what it takes to win back the white house. Either you support the democratic party, or you don't. But if you don't, don't call yourself a dem.
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03:13 PM on 02/13/2008
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I address this to the religious left and young people: Obama Nation cult members act like followers, not voters. Instead of talking about why to vote for Obama, they give you reasons to believe in him. And they don't like me - an older white working class woman. In fact they are giddy with excitement of power over my life with a democratic win. They really believe I will vote for their guy when I've determined their guy doesn't offer me anything. I want a president, not a cult leader. In fact - I will refuse to join this cult. I fear for my country if I give such a cult leader the power of my vote. So to all you Obama worshipers - I do not want my party taken over by your religious leader. I will do what I need to stop you from taking over my party. I know what I think does not matter to you. You are so drunk with the anticipation of power. Shame on all of you for not caring about me.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/13/john-mccain-goes-after-ba_n_86360.html?load=1&page=2#comments
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03:19 PM on 02/13/2008
And another Clinton supporter who won't happily or any other way vote for Obama if he's the Dem nominee:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/users/profile/AnninCA
12:09 PM on 02/12/2008
NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/us/politics/05obama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

“This is what is possible, if you believe,” Mr. Obama said.

“We believe,” the crowd replied.

“There are a lot of people who tell you not to believe,” he added. “There are a lot of naysayers. A lot of doubting Thomases.”

“We believe,” the crowd replied again. “We believe!”
12:58 PM on 02/12/2008
Sounds like a Baptist church.
01:27 PM on 02/12/2008
Sounds like Johnestown, Guyanna.
11:59 AM on 02/12/2008
Many people have noted the cultishness of Obama. You have to be blind or in denial to think not. And its not just being projected onto him. And there are eerie parallels between Bush 200 and Obama 2008. So the Dems have their own Evangelical Messiah now to restore an Awesome God to the White House. Whoopie!

NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/us/politics/05obama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

More than most, Mr. Obama is a presidential candidate who feeds off his crowds.

“This is what is possible, if you believe,” Mr. Obama said.

“We believe,” the crowd replied.

“There are a lot of people who tell you not to believe,” he added. “There are a lot of naysayers. A lot of doubting Thomases.”

“We believe,” the crowd replied again. “We believe!”
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11:08 AM on 02/12/2008
Let's see where Krugman has been shopping,

CALLER: They have all these people that follow him like a blind cult, like he's a one-man Grateful Dead concert. I call them the "Obamunists," the people that follow Barack Obama the Obamunists.

RUSH: It is strictly a cult of personality. It has nothing to do with the issues. You could go down every list of liberal things he supports.
10:54 AM on 02/12/2008
Frankly, I'm an Obama supporter, and I'm finding BOTH camps extremely cultish! In the on-going flame wars, it's very important to seperate the candidates from their supporters.

Don't get me wrong, I find Hillary extremely inconsistent. And I think the Clintons have waged a far dirtier campaign. But I wouldn't use the term "evil." In fact, I'm more embarrassed for them than anything else.

But if we're talking blogs, everyone is full of so much bile for the opponent, I feel like I'm at a pro wrestling match! And I can easily see the Democrats once again rescuing defeat from the jaws of victory with this crap.

Do the phrases, "We could be in Iraq for another hundred years" and "Let's make the Bush tax cuts permanent" not ring any bells? Has anyone stopped fuming long enough to notice how similar the Clinton and Obama policies are?

If Hillary gets the nomination-- especially if it's through the superdelegates-- my vote for her will be a vote for the lesser of evils to some degree, but I'm 100% committed to it!
01:37 PM on 02/12/2008
JASON YOU WRITE: As to his claim that "most of the venom" is emanating from the Obama camp, he provides not a single shred of evidence. He provides no example of the Obama supporters, evincing the behavior that "saddens" him.

Well Jason my dear.. the EVIDENCE you're looking for is right under your nose. It's right here on JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER pro OBAMA post!! On every page, every article, every paragraph!~!
If that's not enough proof for you, you can start scouring the net.. or better yet... why not ask people to send you EMAIL PROOF!
Then again, better not... the VOLUME you'd receive would CRASH your HUFF's entire SYSTEM!
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10:50 AM on 02/12/2008
Krugman, "I'm not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality."

No you're not the first Paul, right wing, hate radio was the first. Nice company you keep.
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tbone99
cruisin' duality
11:12 AM on 02/12/2008
Preceding the cult of personality for Obama by more than a decade was the cult of relentless .
Clinton Poison.Also sponsored by right wing radio.

Pot meet Kettle.
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01:59 PM on 02/12/2008
Again, atack attack attacks from the Obama people. Why not address the issue???
12:05 PM on 02/12/2008
And the Obama thugocrats attacking Hillary in the blogosphere are the equivalent of right-wing talk radio.

This thread is exhibit A.
09:48 AM on 02/12/2008
People who are so out of touch with their own connection to others through a "common" purpose has reason to fear such a phenomenon because it defies their intellectual abilities to comprehend. Given the fact that human beings have more in common than not, it is very sad for those out of fear, spew negativity towards such an event. With specific regards to the perceived Obama "cult" mania, I myself am very proud to be a part of something that inspires the best within me. It is a positive vibration and irregardless of however it may be seen by others, I, unequivocally prefer to be an integral part of something that unites, inspires, transforms the whole. The "nay-sayers" have to face their isolation, every-man-for-himself approach towards the world. That's a self absorbed and lonely place to be.
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tbone99
cruisin' duality
10:06 AM on 02/12/2008
So it"s all about you feeling good?

"That's a self absorbed and lonely place to be."
10:31 AM on 02/12/2008
tbone99.. take your mind to a deeper place

you have 2 groups:

Group A: 10 members of one team without a shadow of a doubt feel they will be successful at a task

Group B: 5 members feel they can be successful and 5 are doubtful and engage in the task with these doubts.

This is what it is about - the combined energy, will and desire of people uniting to accomplish things is a powerful force indeed. That is what it is about... nothing singular about this... it is about the whole.
10:57 AM on 02/12/2008
I so agree, tbone. It's the most narcissistic reason I can THINK of to vote.

And completely ignores the facts.

He hasn't united everyone. Her supporters reported in exit polls that they are MORE firmly behind her than his voters are behind him.

He hasn't appealled to those who want to hear specifics, those who feel real experience is important, and those who believe that one voter bloc is important.

He has, however, pretty much offended a great many people. Sign yesterday? "Educated Person voting for Hillary!" LOL*
01:33 PM on 02/12/2008
It is not a function of government to "inspire," the people, and frankly, anyone who needs the government to inspire them is a lemming. We already depend on government enough. Dependence on government is the wont of self reliance.
You start out your post with a very condescending attitude. You claim intellectual superiority, and then go into a diatribe that proves Krugman's point. Why am I not surprized?
09:47 AM on 02/12/2008
Obama supporters act as though I have two heads when I ask about his legislative and funding priorities and how he will manage the same in the midst of an economic slowdown/recession.

"Yes We Can," does not repeal the law of economics, much less the business cycle. "Yes We Can," does not address the need for a plan for successful governance in a post-war Iraq, one that will certainly requiring a military commitment for a number of years, and most probably into the administration that follows in 2012. "Yes We Can," does not create new jobs or sustain any industry that I'm familar with. "Yes We Can," is not a subtitute for a thoughtful plan for energy conservation and independence.

So why all the guff from Obama supporters when I ask for answers to questions that require more thought than a mere slogan?
10:58 AM on 02/12/2008
They can't because to look too closely would disrupt the chanting. :)
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02:09 PM on 02/12/2008
But didn't "Experience" and "Ready on Day One" voted supporting the Invasion of Iraq and Iran?
03:02 PM on 02/13/2008
How convenient that obama was not even in the senate when that vote was taken. He claims he was against Iraq from the start, but we'll never know because he was never forced to commit, one way or the other by actually casting his vote. Why did he say in 04 that he stood firmly behind the president on Iraq??? Why does he keep voting to finance this war he is supposedly sooooo against??
What invasion of Iran???? If you have to lie in order to make your candidate look good, then something is wrong. Nobody voted to invade Iran. The resolution to name the Iranian Guard a terrorist group was not binding. It did not call for an invasion or even bombing. It was done so as to come to the negotiating table from a position of strength, as any smart leader knows.
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09:37 AM on 02/12/2008
An obamaist wrote:. Some people put "quality of candidate" above "right on issues", explaining why they won't vote for HC , come hell or high water. And McCain is a quality candidate?!

This is the kind of thinking that put Geo Bush in office (not that I'm equating Obama with him , but this kind of reasoning)

Obama supporters will accept endless war, a right wing Supreme Court , permanant tax cuts for the wealthy, no health coverage and a continued assault on the enviroment so they can vote against Hilary? That is what looks like cultism.

Politicians are politicians- Obama just hasn't been in the water long enough to have the stench.I'm afraid some people are going to be severely disillusioned if Obama gets in office.There's no way he can keep BOTH progressives and Repugs for Obama happy!
11:42 AM on 02/12/2008
"Politicians are politicians- Obama just hasn't been in the water long enough to have the stench."

Agree. The idea of whether or not he'll withstand the test is now brewing vigorously.

Let the gloves come off so we can watch the "thin but tuff," "baddest and tuffest," Messiah present his case for presidency. Let's see if he can walk the talk.
01:45 PM on 02/12/2008
As far as quality of candidate and right on the issues, I would just like to point out, that being right on the issues is what constitutes a quality candidate. To think any differently is to be brain-washed, or just plain naive. How is a quality candidate more important than the issue themselves?????? That's just cult-like nonsense, and a herd mentality.