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Webb Suggests Legal Action Against Bush On Iraq

February 11, 2008 06:53 PM


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Sen. Jim Webb thinks legal action against the Bush administration may be needed if the president pursues a long-term military presence in Iraq without Congress' approval.

"I'm not convinced we don't need to have a lawsuit ready," Webb told the Huffington Post. "This is a classic separation of powers issue. I started to talk to people about this today."

In recent days the administration has seemingly backed away from attempting to secure extended military-to-military relationship with the Iraqi government to replace a current U.N. Mandate. Webb and others -- most notably Rep. Rosa DeLauro and Sen. Hillary Clinton -- have pushed legislation that would restrict federal money for any such agreement unless it came in the form of a congressional treaty. And while a victory on that front seems within grasp, the possibility still exists, Webb warned, for the administration to ultimately circumvent congressional input.

"They are characterizing this as within the authority of the Executive Branch. They will wait to August when everyone is at the conventions, and leave it on our doorstep," said the Virginia Democrat. "If the Senate hasn't acted by then, they are going to announce an agreement between the Executive Branch and Iraq."

The issue of a long-term military presence in Iraq reemerged on the political landscape today after Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he may suspend the reduction of U.S. troops from the country depending on security considerations.

"A brief period of consolidation and evaluation probably does make sense," Gates told reporters during a short stop at this U.S. base in southern Baghdad.

Earlier proclamations from Gates suggested that the U.S. would not pursue a policy of extended military presence and that conditions in Iraq would improve enough during the second half of 2008 to permit troop withdrawals.

Asked to respond to Gates' remarks, Webb cautioned that, before working off of one person's assessment, the Senate would best be served to get the input of generals on the ground. He also agreed that the statement fit into the greater context of the Bush administration and its congressional allies pushing to make America's presence in the region permanent.

"I think they are doing everything they can," said Webb. "And I don't think there is any secret to the fact that Sen. Mitch McConnell and John McCain and most of the people in the Republican Party are comfortable with the fact that we will be in Iraq for the next 50 years."

The issue of permanency has been a focal point of the Democratic presidential campaign. On the campaign trail, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, asked her challenger, Sen. Barack Obama, D-IL, to co-sponsor her bill that would prevent the president from entering into such a pact without approval from Congress. On Monday, the two candidates weighed in on the topic with each offering critical statements of Gates' proclamation.

"I strongly disagree with the Administration's plans to 'pause' the long overdue removal of our combat brigades from Iraq," said Obama. "We cannot wage war without end in Iraq while ignoring mounting costs to our troops and their families, our security and our economy... Instead of false promises and a faulty strategy, the American people need a rapid and responsible removal of our combat brigades that relieves the burden on our military."

Added Clinton: "This means that we will have as many troops in Iraq in the summer of 2008 as we had at the beginning of 2007. I continue to call on the President to end the war he started, to take responsibly for bringing our young men and women home... The whole idea behind this so-called surge was to give the Iraqi government the space and time to make the tough decisions that only they can make for themselves and the future of their country."

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Shall we review why we were attacked on 9/11 ? If you have that "They hate us for our freedom" excuse, leave the room. How would adding another U.S. base in Iraq help us in "The war on terror"? Seems some people are not going to deal with this issue in a realistic way. This should help things. OMG

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 AM on 02/15/2008

The courts is the MAIN reason why we need to ensure that the Dems win in November...even tho' we're stuck with the least desireable of the original candidates, and McCain himself may not seem like a horrible choice. BUT it's the cabinet and the Courts that with ANY repubic, even McCain, will end up comprised of ideologues that we must avoid at all costs.

That is why I would like to know who Hillary and Obama would WANT to serve in their cabinets (if asked)...realizing, of course, that there's no guarantee who would actually accept... but knowing who they would ask would be very telling...And hopefully Jim Webb will be a major player WHICHEVER one wins.

With the right Democratic candidate, there is a chance, and maybe even a likelihood, that BushCo will be brought up on charges AFTER the inauguration...We just have to have a strong enough Dem in the WH to go for it (and frankly, the Clintons have an extra layer of hatred for the repubics that might make that more likely with Hillary.)

So far, Obama is still a ghost...which is what he is running on: the ghost of JFK, the ghost of MLK and the ghost of RFK... And then there's the fact of his lack of "presence" for the Iraq and Iran resolution votes in September when all his fellow senator/candidates made it)...

Kool-Aid and collection plates for everyone, bartender!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 02/13/2008

May be it is a good idea to ask Obama whether he would go to that extent of suing Bush government with regard to Iraq war. To remind, congress could not stay funding the war in the name of supporting the troops. How will the court system which is conceived to be in the pocket of Bush even take up the case?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 AM on 02/13/2008

You have pointed out the need of SCOTUS13
along with many other steps of deBushification.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 02/13/2008

The falsified pretext for the invasion, the invasion, the occupation of Iraq are all illegal acts and war crimes. What difference does it make how long the occupation lasts to determine the extent of criminality? To reduce the war crimes to the threat of nonspecific legal action is at best empty political posturing. Only when the US owns up to its criminal behavior will it be able to reintegrate itself with the rest of civilized societies. And I am not holding my breath until that happens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 02/13/2008

what a lib, there's to many libs who hate this great country, please hold your breath

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 02/13/2008

People like you are a bigger threat to AMerica than any terrist group ever has been, You are a traitor and a cancer to everything good this country stand for. You can not be for America ans still support this administration without some sereous denial and lying to yourself. Wake up or shut up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 02/13/2008

What are you saying, all my brothers and i are in the military, have you been to IRAQ, have you seen your best friend get killed 6 feet away, 9-11 was real, and for franklin s good job, theres no need to thank me, coming from a military family we know our duty, look up the word traitor

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 02/14/2008

Good job!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 02/13/2008

"The whole idea behind this so-called surge was to give the Iraqi government the space and time to make the tough decisions that only they can make for themselves and the future of their country."

The SCOURGE is working, but have any "benchmarks" been met yet?

Stay safe, healthy and happy,
Love, Loretta

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 02/13/2008

Webb's comments are just empty rhetoric after he voted immunity for the telecom companies, which gives legal cover to Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 02/12/2008

Yup.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 02/13/2008

All talk and no walk. I'm tired of Democrats like Webb talking tough and then caving when push comes to shove with Chimpy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 02/12/2008

Wow! You're right! I can see it so clearly now, IT IS ALL THE DEMOCRATS FAULT!

Talk about your dog that won't hunt!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 02/12/2008

There is need for a little perspective here. Them democrat have been unable to stop the republicans, mostly because of a lack of majority and partly becaouse of fear of political fallout. SO yes there is some guilt to be had here. However, that pales in comparison to the crimes, lies, corruption, treason carried out by the reppublicans.

"yes judge , I raped and killed 32 people in one month but lets focus on the police that could have stopped me faster"

Lets keep perspective here, The republicans just want to point the finger and Dems for failing to stop them because it take the converstation and the focus off of thier unpredcidented, historical failures and crimes.

I am furious at the Dems for not arresting these criminals but that pales in comparison to the actions and crimes of this administration. Keep your eye on the ball!

Yes the dems are guilty of not stopping these crooks but so are we. I am sad that the white house has not been stormed with torches and pitchforks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 02/13/2008

I believe your perspective is wrong, just maybe the Democrats know that Bush is right and thats why they let all the money requests and surveilance legislation go through. Then publically say they are against it to save face with their voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 02/13/2008

DON'T ANY OF YOU BONE HEADS READ ANYTHING OR WATCH THE NEWS?????????????????????http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHQ7Prwh7Gc&feature=related

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 02/12/2008

Yeah yollab, we saw it. Now take your meds and take your CapLock off.

You do understand that this whole "pardon" is in review, and WILL be declared "unconstitutional" right?

He snuck the provision in, but it has virtually NO HOPE of standing up in court.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 02/12/2008

Musharriff did the same thing when he took over Pakistan in a coup.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 02/13/2008

Hold on Captain America fans, let us get our decoder rings out and try to translate what is meant by Webb's vote.

Dem's fold in a major way over an issue that would force Boy George to veto a bill that protects Americans because telecoms could be sued or sign the legislation without immunity - a win/win for the Democrats (and Americans). So why did so many fold? Who voted yea? Are they up for re-election? The argument was that if the telecoms got immunity the lawsuits would go away, but they could be compelled to testify to Congress on what they did. Could the Democrats be giving up the lawsuits in favor of Congressional hearings (joint sessions, as a prelude to impeachment hearings)?

I am so pissed that I could believe the shit I just wrote - but hope is the last possibility before hopelessness which is one step before my eyes glass over and I do the thorazine shuffle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 02/12/2008

Didn't Webb vote against 4th amendment rights today? I hold him and his "suggestions" suspect now. Seems like he wants to divert attention away from his FISA vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 02/12/2008

Yes he did. I used to like Webb - I even thought he would make a good VP candidate. But now, IMHO he can fuck off

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 02/12/2008

There seems to be some confusion over whether Bush can commit our forces in Iraq independently, which Mr. Webb is proposing a law to prevent. Status of Forces agreements are negotiated with the country by the administration, involving the State Dept. and Defense Dept and president. They are not treaties and do not have to be approved by Congress. We currently have SOFA with 90 countries, about 46% of the world's nation states. Some would call it an invisible empire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 02/12/2008

What the F--- is taking sooo long?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 02/12/2008


ATLANTA JOE has furnished us with more entertainment:

"What is the differance between a progressive and a liberal other than the fact people know libs are commies and are now shunning them. Do you not think we know a commie is a commie no matter how many times you change your name."
posted 09:13 am on 02/12/2008"

Let's try this one: What is the difference between a moderate republican and a real conservative other than most people know that real conservatives are quasi-fascists and are now shunning them.

(Attest: Only 30% in the polls favor the Puppet in the White House and 70% in the polls believe that the Country is moving in the wrong direction and favor ending the Iraq war as well as government excessive unlawful secrecy, illegal spy programs, and bellicose foreign policy).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 02/12/2008

Don't even bother to feed the trolls. Their projection and denial has gotten so out of control it borders on farcical. Remember the trolls creed: Up is Down, War is Peace, Hot is Cold, and Fox is News!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 02/12/2008

There a great number of right wingnut troll comments on this blog. The paymasters of the trolls must be afraid that impeaching & convicting W, et al would expose their acts of treason too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 02/12/2008

Any person trolling on this site doesn't have to worry about a treason conviction, just a trailer eviction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 02/12/2008

LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 02/13/2008

America is sooooo fucked up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 02/12/2008

Yeah! But change is on the way. SI TE PUEDES. Get on board, my friend. Change we can believe in. We'll know exactly what it is later.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 02/12/2008

I posted earlier on this topic about Chris Dodd's extended debate last night and if you missed this very important speech, here is Chris Dodd's website were the transcript for that speech is located.

http://dodd.senate.gov/index.php?q=node/4265

I copied the speech into a word document and it is 34 pages long but worth every minute of reading!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 02/12/2008

What are these idiots going to hear? Most people are bemoaning thier financial situation, love life, sex habits, a few whining about thier families. I say lets have fun with it and really make them suffer. Guys, I am the last person to agree with this bill. I find it disgusting, abbhorrant, miserable, stupid, a total waste of taxpayer money. I have no intention of censoring anything I do or say on the phone or online. nada. Oh no, I fully plan on being as vocal as possible, slamming them every chance I can. Its called free speech. This makes them look like the paranoid, snivelling, greedy, little, no dick fools that they are. I said I was going to be vocal and you aint seen nothing yet. What are they going to arrest me for, voicing my opinion, calling them like I see em? Please, it takes a hell of a lot more than that to scare this woman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 02/12/2008

Webb, dont' just suggest it, just do it. Its way over time this impeachment, federal crimes of treason, war crimes gets brought against Bush and cheney, rumsfeld, rice, and rove. Way past time. The people are behind it, want it, demand it. Go for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 02/12/2008

Webb doesn't give a god-damn about this, or any other issue that is screwing the American people. This Republican-lite just voted immunity for the Tell-all-comms. He can go fuck himself. I can't wait until he reads the words "I regret to inform you ...".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 02/12/2008

Well, obviously your id describes you perfectly.

Are you actually hoping that Jim Webb's son is killed???...you piece of shit.

Huffpost censors, why the hell didn't you block that evil post?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 02/13/2008

damn right! i'm so sick of election year speeches, just shut up and do it, or get the hell out the way and let somebody else do it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 02/12/2008

"Good Evening. Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear,chemical, and biological programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.
The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world.
The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people."
Wanna impeach the man that said that?


















President Clinton
Oval Office address to the American People
December 16,1998
I guess the left has a short or selective memory.....Don't get me wrong, Jim is a passionate and good guy, as far as I know. He just needs to realize he's not in VietNam anymore. He'd make a great Republican. Didn't he used to be Republican?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 02/12/2008