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marriage monogamy, monogamous marriages, monogamy, open marriage, open relationships

Marriage, Minus The Monogamy

tangomag.com   |  Dan Eldridge   |   February 12, 2008 11:46 AM


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Our hero gets engaged to the girl of his dreams, a friend of a friend who just so happens to hate the concept of marriage, and who prefers the convenience of an open relationship. Here, an introduction to their not-so-traditional first encounters.

It's just after midnight, and I'm huddled into a bar booth next to Ray, an old college friend who has lately become my very frequent drinking buddy. Ray and I went to the same state school in Pittsburgh, and although we both fled town almost as soon as we graduated-Ray went to New York City and then L.A., while I lived in San Francisco and Seattle-for various reasons, we've both moved back. Neither one of us is especially pleased with the way our adult lives are turning out. And that's probably why we both end up at dive bars three or four times a week, bullshitting about college, and guessing at the fortunes of our old friends-especially the ones we haven't heard from in 10 years.

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This is one of the saddest damn things I have ever read.

It started with both of them disrespecting her boyfriend, and enjoying the feeling. Disrespecting themselves wasn't a huge leap.

I don't for the life of me understand why they have any respect for marriage. I think it is fair to say it's not for them. One of them will wander off. It's just a matter of time.

Sad sad sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 02/15/2008

I know two couples who are in "open marriages." It seems to work very well for one couple. For the other, not so much. As with monogomous couples, no two relationships are really alike, so don't apply the rules that work (or don't) for you to the entire universe.

And remember,it ain't cheating if you define the rules of the game and stick to them. But if you've got an extra king or queen up your sleeve, you're eventually gonna get caught.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 02/13/2008

Cheating and open relationships (or polyamory) are not the same thing. All the negative examples commenters are citing are about people acting without integrity and purposefully hurting their partner by cheating. Such behavior has nothing to do with actively open relationships. Polyamory is about equality- about treating every human being as an entity unto him/herself, without the expectation that another person somehow "completes" the other. Thus, choices are made based on the open communication of the partners.

People choose to get married for all kinds of reasons- and love is one of the best reasons. Loving one person doesn't have to mean never allowing yourself to love others and telling people who SHOULD and SHOULD NOT get married is cruel and myopic. There is no rule book as to what makes a marriage "real." If two consenting adults want to enter into a marriage while continuing to have relationships and/or sex with others, who the hell cares? By being honest with one another, they can keep their relationship healthy, loving and respectful. I know a number of couples who are in open relationships, and I assure you, they are the happiest relationships I've ever seen. Everything is discussed, communicated and shared. Respect, love and honesty are paramount.

People who are threatened by open marriages seem to have a very limited idea of what love is and the potential of human compassion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 02/13/2008

Oh, I wanted to say one other thing in addition to my last post:

Stories like this, that give credibility to ridiculous schemes and unfairly aim to discredit the concept of a solid relationship, are very irresponsible. All it does is feed into the public perception that marriage can never work and gives ammunition to conservatives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 02/13/2008

Self-righteous much?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 02/13/2008

I'm only self-righteous when I right about something. ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 02/14/2008

LOL- touche. :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 02/14/2008

Cheating and open relationships (or polyamory) are not the same thing. All the negative examples commenters are citing are about people acting without integrity and purposefully hurting their partner by cheating. Such behavior has nothing to do with actively open relationships. Polyamory is about equality- about treating every human being as an entity unto him/herself, without the expectation that another person somehow "completes" the other. Thus, choices are made based on the open communication of the partners.

People choose to get married for all kinds of reasons- and love is one of the best reasons. Loving one person doesn't have to mean never allowing yourself to love others and telling people who SHOULD and SHOULD NOT get married is cruel and myopic. There is no rule book as to what makes a marriage "real." If two consenting adults want to enter into a marriage while continuing to have relationships and/or sex with others, who the hell cares? By being honest with one another, they can keep their relationship healthy, loving and respectful. I know a number of couples who are in open relationships, and I assure you, they are the happiest relationships I've ever seen. Everything is discussed, communicated and shared. Respect, love and honesty are paramount.

People who are threatened by open marriages seem to have a very limited idea of what love is and the potential of human compassion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 02/13/2008

I'm not sure if this was directed at me. Let me clarify:

People can do whatever they want. And if someone is happy, that is great. I do think that an "open" marriage may work, for a very select number of people (anything is possible). However, I think the majority of people who are in open marriages/relationships are possibly not honest with themselves.

I do not have any scientific data to back this up or even have enough unscientific data to make a qualified statement to accurately saying anything beyond this: I know how relationships work, I know people who are experts on relationships and have had long discussions about it and a healthy relationship is usually not an open one. However, I'm sure you are correct with speaking about those people in your life whom you know.

And I agree that cheating and open relationships are not the same thing. Maybe I came across in my previous post as merging the two. That still does not detract from anything I previously said.

One of my main problems with open relationships is when there are children involved. I think it's very confusing for children to bring others into a relationship and parenting situation. Whether the relationship is between a man and woman, two women, or two men; having third parties rotate in and out of an open relationship seems like it would negatively impact the children. But maybe people in open relationships don't want children.

I realize people get married for a variety of reasons. In fact, I say that to people myself. However, marriage, for whatever reason two people decide to marry, is about the relationship between those two people and only those two. Whether that is because of stability, love, financial reasons, or anything else.

If you have an open relationship, why get married? Why not just date perpetually?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 02/13/2008

"However, marriage, for whatever reason two people decide to marry, is about the relationship between those two people and only those two."

Exactly! And what's between those two people does not necessarily need to involve monogamy.

"I think it's very confusing for children to bring others into a relationship and parenting situation. Whether the relationship is between a man and woman, two women, or two men; having third parties rotate in and out of an open relationship seems like it would negatively impact the children."

Kids need stability, of course. But just because a couple is poly doesn't mean that they're going to ask every person that they ever date to become a co-parent. That's an entirely different question. I've known poly folk who are CF, poly parents who only date others casually and keep it outside the home, poly triads and quads who co-parent- the largest trend seems to be poly parents who are de facto monogamous because they're too busy to date anyone else! :) Look, some people believe kids shouldn't be raised in queer families because they believe it will inevitably and negatively affect their sexual development. I disagree. Some people think that it's impossible for polyfolk to provide kids with a stable home. I disagree with that as well.

"If you have an open relationship, why get married? Why not just date perpetually?"

If you have a monogamous relationship, why get married? Why not just date perpetually?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 02/13/2008

This article and the author made me cringe - as well as all the people who responded with comments that applauded this article and what it had to say.

I agree with the sentiment that someone wrote: Why do people feel the need to reinvent the wheel?

The author explains how marriage doesn't work for him and how this form of relationship is great. And others who responded have the same cynical view of marriage.

Marriage probably doesn't work for many people for a variety of reasons, none of which have to do with the concept of marriage and all of which have to do with those specific people.

How does the open relationship work anyway? "Honey, I'm going on a date tonight. Don't wait up."

I'm just waiting for the follow up story that explains how she ended up leaving the author and started a new "open" relationship/marriage with the next guy that she was attracted to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 02/13/2008

I think you're being the cynical one, honestly.

sounds like a bad case of the "my wife doesn't like me and and jealous" blues.

LuLz!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 02/14/2008

I Googled the author, Dan Eldridge- check out his MySpace page. He looks miserable. Haggard and frowning in every picture. I wonder if he was like that before he entered this strange relationship, or after.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 02/13/2008

yeah, pictures are a great way to tell how someone feels. If my pictures told anything about me, It would be that i'm always squinting and occassionally have down syndrome.

Nice detective work, but please, don't give up your day job for that spot in the homicide department just yet, sargent doofus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 02/14/2008

I'd love to see the greeting card designed that says "Congratulations on your non-exclusive partnership and holding company!" I'm much older than the guy who wrote this article and I knew a lot of people who got pretty messed up by open relationships in the 70s and early 80s. Here are reasons why I don't think they work:

1. It's natural for humans to want the object of their love to be exclusive. That's why there is so much poetry and blues music. Humans tend to be psychologically possessive of the objects of their affection. Right or wrong, that's just the way we're wired -- usually. I, personally, have never met anyone who was really in love with the person they had the open relationship with -- unless they were begrudginly going along with their partner who wanted the arrangement.

2. STDs, anyone? Even something as seemingly harmless as chlamydia can end up in cervical cancer. A dear friend had a hysterectomy at 38 because of this disease that, at the time of infection, seemed like just a hassle side effect of a one night stand. Even a harmless make-out session can get you stuck with cold sores for life -- or HSV-1 genitally if the make-out session progresses into something heavier. 1 in 4 under 30 have genital herpes, so just do the math for your odds. Then there is HIV. Many young adults have never lost someone to the disease and think it can't touch them. 1 in 30 young people in metropolitan areas are HIV positive so when you go outside a relationship to satisfy your own needs you risk a lot more than just making your primary partner a little jealous. Casual sex is a public health issue.

3. Pregnancy happens. Is the author of this article going to be involved in "open parenting" if someone gets pregnant? And what if his wife/holding company partner gets knocked up and it's not his baby?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 02/13/2008

It is absurd to think that one human can automatically meet the sexual needs of another. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. So then the alternative, to some type of open relationship, is a lifetime of unrequited need, sorrow and eventually deep, unbridled resentment.
Way to go. Check the diviorce stats lately?
Pax, Steve

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 02/12/2008

"Check the diviorce stats lately?"

Once again, the solution is pretty easy: don't marry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 02/12/2008

I think that people who marry and have sex with others want it both ways. They want the security, comfort, social and business benefits of marriage plus sexual freedom. Nice, if both partners are in the know. Usually, though, it's covert, and the marriage falls apart when it's discovered. It's not always sexual freedom that ruins the relationship; it's the lying. And, the sense of betrayal that evokes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 02/13/2008

Well, flip it around for a moment: if you have two people who love each other, are committed to one another, live together and intend to live together for life- but who have are fully open, accepting, and supportive of their partner having outside sexual encounters- why SHOULDN'T they get married, want to get married, etc.? No one (here) is asking for marriage rights for multiple partners.

This is simply a question of personal taste. Some people are perfectly fine with their partners being sexual with other people. Some aren't. It has very little to do with whether or not a particluar relationship will succeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 02/12/2008

Open relationships within a marriage really makes little
sense.Eventually the unexpected jealousy will rear it's
ugly head and there will be the usual divorce.Why get
married before you've sowed all your wild oats? What is
wrong with waiting until you can commit to a normal
relationship,it will be worth it in many cases. Having
your cake and eating it too,is selfish to say the least.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 AM on 02/13/2008

"Normal" relationships result in a 45% divorce rate. A poly relationship can end badly, and so can a monogamous relationship- no one persuasion of people have a monopoly on bad relationships. There's no need to call people who have an different approach to relationships selfish, just because it wouldn't emotionally work for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 02/13/2008

"No one (here) is asking for marriage rights for multiple partners."

Then what's the problem? Don't marry and live with as many people as you want.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 02/12/2008

Well, geez- it's not as though anyone's saying that YOU should have an open marriage. Why be insistent that other people can't be happily married and polyamorous? To each their own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 02/13/2008

I'm with amanda on this one. The number of marriages that can survive this arrangement has got t be quite small. If you know this is what you want, why get married in the first place.

Babies certainly don't need their parents to be legally wed to be born, and one certainly can't claim "tradition" with this lifestyle choice. It really doesn't make much sense. You either throw convention out the window or not. Why drag the state and law into it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 02/12/2008

Well, OK- how do you feel about gay marriage?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 02/13/2008

Exactly the same way I feel about straight marriage. If I was gay, I would not get married if I did not feel that I was interested in settling down with that one special person and attempting to make it work out long term. (Note that I did not rule out open relationships...I just said that I am not the type of person who would go into a marriage at the beginning and defining it as "open". If, after 10 years or whatever, my partner and I decided --together-- that an open relationship would be the solution to saving our marriage...then I would evolve into it slowly.

If I was gay and wanted to be able to date/sleep with multiple partners, I may attempt some long-term dating relationships (not neccessarily exclusive, if my partners would tolerate it)...but I would not want to get married.

I don't think this is about gay vs. straight. My gay friends basically have the same dynamics my straight friends do. The gay couples i know who want to be monogamous settle into long term relationships and some adopt children together and basically live the suburban family model. Those that want to enjoy all the aspects of single life (including sex with a variety of partners) stick to that.

I hope it goes without saying that I support gay marriage. I am not anti-marriage. I just think it is helpful that society no longer pressures people into it if they really don't want to be married.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 02/14/2008

I was actually asking rektruax- trying to make a point about the comment "Why drag the state and law into it?"

If you acknowledge that some people evolve into an open marriage over time, why isn't it just as valid that people might, from the beginning, both desire non-monogamy and also "feel that [they were] interested in settling down with that one special person and attempting to make it work out long term"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 02/14/2008

Me too. It seems like a lot of rigamarole for people who still seem to want to operate like singles. A "holding company"? How romantic is that?

I have no problem with open relationships, per se (or any other kind of relationship, as long as it is agreed upon equally by both partners and both are content). However, it seems to me like a couple might come to this point gradually after having been married for awhile...in order to make their marriage last long-term after the initial thrill is gone. (Not for everyone, though.)

If I already knew, going in, that I could not be satisfied with this one person, I would just not get married. I waited a long time to get married, myself, just to get certain things out of my system and because there was absolutely no pressure in today's society to tie the knot. This didn't mean I felt less about my partner...I just wanted my own place, my own space, and it was simpler. He felt the same. Eventually, the time came when we were ready to take the next step.

None of my business, but my opinion is that this couple would have an easier time of it just dating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 02/13/2008

The worst are the ones who wear a collar and claim to be so pius. They don't get it from thier evangelical wives, so they go outside and find members of thier churches, or others willing. Happens alot in the lutheran church. I know guys who had several women on a string, were married, and the wives either looked the other way, or were clueless. I wanted to take these women bitch slap them and tell them to wake the hell up, thier husbands were screwing everything that moved. Thier response? Oh, you must have it wrong dear, my husband is a minister. Please, these spineless women need to grow a pair, kick those cheating bastards to the curb.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 02/12/2008

I'm perfectly OK with not being monogamous, or being in an "open" relationship, but then why would you want to get married? If you think --or even if you have serious doubts-- that you won't be able to stay faithful to a person, then simply don't marry him/her. I know a lot of people who never got married but somehow have stuck together for decades, if not for life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 02/12/2008

I love it when people think they're re-inventing the wheel. That guy needs to look up the term "polyamory" via Google.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 02/12/2008

I recognize that little guy on top of the cake. Isn't he the same one on top of the Mormon temples?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 02/12/2008

Uh...I think you're 120 years late with that little snippet. Mormons may have multiple sexual partners like any unfaithful spouse, but it is expressly against their religious belief to do so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 02/13/2008
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