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NAACP Head Wants Barred Delegates Seated

BETH FOUHY | February 12, 2008 09:11 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON _ A prominent civil rights leader has told the Democratic National Committee that refusing to seat delegates from Florida and Michigan would disenfranchise both states' minority communities.

In a Feb. 8 letter to DNC Chairman Howard Dean, NAACP chairman Julian Bond expressed "great concern at the prospect that million of voters in Michigan and Florida could ultimately have their votes completely discounted." Refusing to seat the states' delegations could remind voters of the "sordid history of racially discriminatory primaries," he said.

The DNC penalized Michigan and Florida for moving their primaries to earlier dates in violation of party rules. Both states were stripped of their delegates, and the party's presidential candidates signed a pledge not to campaign in either state. Florida lost all 210 delegates, including its superdelegates; Michigan, 156.

Since then, facing the prospect of a drawn-out delegate battle with Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign has pushed hard for both states' delegations to be seated. Clinton won Florida's primary Jan. 29 and Michigan's Jan. 15, but was the only candidate to appear on the Michigan ballot after the other candidates removed their names.

In an interview, Bond said the NAACP had taken no position in the race between Clinton and Obama and would not endorse either candidate. He sent the letter on behalf of the voters in Michigan and especially Florida, where the Republican-controlled legislature and governor changed the state's primary date.

"It struck me as making the voters, including minority voters in Florida particularly, victims of the Republican legislature in Florida. I wanted to get Chairman Dean to find some way to rectify the situation," Bond said.

The DNC has said it would allow both states to hold a different contest, probably a caucus, that would comply with party rules. Either state can also appeal the penalty to the DNC credentials committee, which will not meet again until this summer.

(This version CORRECTS SUBS 3rd graf to correct number of delegates to reflect superdelegates included)

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Late Wednesday afternoon NAACP chairman Julian Bond issued a press release embracing new primary contests in Michigan and Florida.

"It is possible now for the DNC and Chairman Dean to develop a new alternative voting system " like a state caucus " for Democrats in Florida or Michigan, so their voices will be heard and their votes will be counted.

"The NAACP has fought for fairness in elections of all sorts since our founding days, and will continue to do so in the future."

http://www.naacp.org/news/press/2008-02-14/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 02/14/2008

It is true the older we become the more difficut it is to change, to a greater extent it is even more difficult to see change coming. Mr. Bond is once again using the NAACP for his own personal agenda or should I say Bill Clinton's personal agenda.It is apparent that Bill and Hillary will use any mean necessary to get back into the white house. Shame on you Mr. Bond.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 02/13/2008

by any means necessary, now where did I hear that before.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 02/13/2008

According to the article the Republican controlled legislature and the Republican governor determined the date for the Democratic primaries.

I don't believe another party should be allowed to disenfranchise Democratic voters. Mr. Bond is on the right side of this argument.

The Democratic Party should stand with his party members and seat the delegates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 02/13/2008

Read:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/24/2008-florida-democrats-stick-to-primary-date/
Despite Republican legislature making the move, the Democrats fell in lock step and even waged a battle against the DNC. Read the article and get back to me. Karen Thurman should resign, that's what should happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 02/13/2008

The NAACP did not take sides, but Chairman Julian Bond is using his position illegitimately to do so. Her is a long associate of the Clintons. So it is a Clinton "head" who wrote the letter, not an NAAPC head. Moreover, we have seen Clinton's selfish attitude all too often. "Either I win or I'll cause trouble." The facts are: She agreed to the rules, she agreed with the other candidates to stay out of those illegitimate primaries. But she alone had her name on the Michigan ballot. There she beat Nobody! In Florida, she had fund raising campaigns, her organization plugged away for votes, and she flew in for her "victory" speech.
One could smell the Clintonian stench. I knew she was planning to cause trouble and be destructive if she didn't win in the rest of America.
This shows us her character: selfish, deceitful, mean. I do not want a president like that.
In fact, although I wouldn't want him for a husband, the more one sees of Hillary, the more one can understand some possible justification for Bill's extramarital adventures.
She is cold, just is not an appealing person.
And I'll never support THIS woman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 02/13/2008

Peace Flowergirl. Do you know who Julian Bond is? Have you ever heard the name? Did your man stand up when blood was spilled in our streets? Did you? But you couldn't have could you. You didn't know that Georgia legislature refused to seat Julian because he opposed a war did you. But your man is owed the presidency because you heard he made one speech. Marched one march.

You have been eating the lotus, and its time to wake up now. Stop shitting on the people who made your world possible

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 02/13/2008

The sacrifices he's made and these monumental things he's done right in the past doesn't automatically make this right. If, and I'm hoping whole-heartedly that this is the case, Julian Bond is advocating that the FL delegation be seated at the DNC and after a nominee has been selected, then he has taken a solid, honorable stand. If, Julian Bond is suggesting that those delegates should be included in the totals that will ultimately decide the nominee, then he has taken a most dishonorable, undemocratic stand. I wish he were more specific about that. Don't we all?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 02/13/2008

always about sides, never about right.

thank you Julian, still the best of the best.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 02/13/2008

The primaries in Fla & Michigan are over and just because you don't like the results you can't call a do-over... it didn't happen for Gore in Fla in 2000, and it shouldn't happen now.. you have to live with the results good or bad...Obama not putting his name on the ballot was a mistake by an inexperienced politician.. But of course this all depends on if the delegates are seated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 02/13/2008

I agree. The results are in. A cheater, who didn't live up to her agreement "won." And now her people want to change the rules so that the cheater's "win" can be ....... debastardised?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 02/13/2008

I think Obama is now quite experienced at not trusting Hillary's word or her playing by the rules. I suppose, in your opinion, Edwards was also inexperienced for not being on the MI ballot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 02/13/2008

This article is a perfect reason for an African American to rip up his NAACP membership. If they were so committed to fairness why not have another caucus or primary in both states to make it fair. No they don"t care about fairness they just want to an unfair advantage for the Clintons. One good thing about this election will be that a lot of African Americans like myself are getting to take a good look at these so call Black organizations and politicians and seeing their true motives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 02/13/2008

Why should I vote again. I already voted and it should be counted. Don't be fooled, if Obama had won Florida he would be pushing the party to have those votes counted!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 02/13/2008

Could be but we'll never know will we? If Mrs. Clinton could have held onto a comfortable lead we might not be commenting on this very story right now but we'll never know will we? What we do know is, when the chips are down, Mrs. Clinton will do anything do win--including cheating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 02/13/2008

you are wrong about that

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 02/13/2008

I don't understand why they just don't award the delegates with their usual formula. From what I have read, Michigan gave Clinton 60%. Then give her whatever 60% would come out to, and give the other 40% worth to Senator Obama. Same as for Florida. Either that, or make the DNC pay for a re-do. They are the ones who, after all, imposed the punishment in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 02/13/2008

Obama didn't compete in either state (his name wasn't even on the MI ballot). I suppose he took Hillary at her word when she and the other candidates agreed to follow the rules. Do you think Obama would have ignored either MI or FL if he knew they were going to count? No, you can't change the rules of the game mid-stream without being grossly unfair, otherwise there will be no trust in the system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 02/13/2008

I'm assuming that was sarcasm. I don't think Maecenas caught it. If it wasn't, well...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 02/13/2008

As I recall, when she was criticized for being the only candidate to leave her name on the Michigan ballot, little Hillary laughed and said that it didn't matter because no votes there would count. HA! But after Sneaky got them she changed her tune. Typical! This is the kind of thing that has made me despise her. Like those other Neocons, the Goldwater Girl thinks that rules are for others -- except when they favor Herself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 02/13/2008

Bull crappy,

Julian can tell folks that the NAACP hasn't endorsed...yet the CA NAACP endorsed Clinton because it is headed by Alice Huffman former Lobbyist for the California Teachers Associaton. The CA NAACP has been in disarray for years with little or no funding. Alice who retired took up the job as President (without salary) because the organization gave her some clout and kept her name in the public arena. She used the CA NAACP to maintain her status as a mover and shaker. She holds sway over the organizations board and it allows all of them to have say in the state's political games.

I believe that Alice has convinced Julian to jump into this battle and write that letter. It is amazing how many people and groups want to be seen as part of the decision making of this race. Mostly all of these people owe the clintons for past political favors and bill is pulling out the stops...

This a partsan act on behalf of the Clintons and anybody who believes anything else is a fool...shame on the NAACP!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 02/13/2008

Alice endorsed Hillary, not the CA NAACP. The media interpreted her endorsement as an endorsement from the organization, but that interpretation was false. The NAACP doesn't endorse presidential candidates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 02/13/2008

RERUN THE MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA PRIMARIES

The most democratic (Democratic?) way to resolve the Michigan/Florida divide is to rerun both primaries, perhaps on the same day as the Puerto Rico contest (June 7, I think).

The DNC should pay for half of the cost for running the primaries and the other half should be paid for however primaries are normally funded. In this way, a potentially party-dividing resolution at the Convention would be avoided in a manner that is equally fair and unfair to the candidates but wholly fair to the Democratic primary voters of that state. The so-called "super" delegates from Michigan and Florida should be forced to vote however the voters of the state vote. If it is a "winner-take-all" state, then the super delegates should vote however the majority in the state vote. If delegates are proportionately apportioned, then the super delegates should vote however the voters from the district from which they come vote.

Admittedly this resolution means a very different primary than it would have meant when the states original primaries occurred, as, among other things, there would only be 2 candidates on the ballot. However having another primary would be democratic and would also give the states what they were seeking by moving the election in contravention to DNC rules, in that each state's primary would be of major importance to determining who the candidate is. At the same time, having another primary would put to bed a division that could literally jeopardize the outcome of the national election in November and resolve the NAACP complaints about disenfranchising minority voters, as the delegates from those states would not be the subject of a bitter tug-of-war that could anger significant proportions of the campaign workers from those states necessary to get out the vote (who is exactly who state delegates to the Convention are).

Rerun the primaries in Michigan and Florida.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 02/13/2008

Bull crappy,

Julian can tell folks that the NAACP hasn't endorsed...yet the CA NAACP endorsed Clinton because it is headed by Alice Huffman former Lobbyist for the California Teachers Associaton. The CA NAACP has been in disarray for years with little or no funding. Alice who retired took up the job as President (without salary) because the organization gave her some clout and kept her name in the public arena. She used the CA NAACP to maintain her status as a mover and shaker. She holds sway over the organizations board and it allows all of them to have say in the state's political games.

I believe that Alice has convinced Julian to jump into this battle and write that letter. It is amazing how many people and groups want to be seen as part of the decision making of this race. Mostly all of these people owe the clintons for past political favors and bill is pulling out the stops...

This a partsan act on behalf of the Clintons and anybody who believes anything else is a fool...shame on the NAACP!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 02/13/2008

Your response confuses me. Why are you against rerunning the primaries? I'm not saying the illegally constituted delegations should be seated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 02/13/2008

Now is the time to GET RIGHT

2 Samuel 12:7

Nathan then said to David, "You are that man!

Obama Vows To 'Do What's Right'
By WILLIAM MARCH and ELAINE SILVESTRINI
The Tampa Tribune
Published: September 30, 2007

TAMPA - Barack Obama hinted during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday that if he's the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, he'll seat a Florida delegation at the party's national convention, despite national party sanctions prohibiting it.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/sep/30/obama-vows-do-whats-right/?news-breaking

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 AM on 02/13/2008

our election system is FUCKED UP...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 AM on 02/13/2008

Of all the comments I have heard and seen about this election, yours sums it up perfectly.

How can the following happen in a democracy and the world's supposed #1 nation?

1. Voting machines broken and not working
2. Instructions confusing and misleading on ballots with no standards
3. 17 year olds voting in some states which is ILLEGAL
4. Some people count, some people don't count, some people count multiple times (Super Dels)5. No standards across precincts, counties, states re: voting machines, ballots, election times, voting booths for privacy, etc.
6. "Caucuses" - need I say more
7. Media "exit polling" with unscientific means
8. Unchecked media outlet bias without any means for enforcing fair and balanced reporting

This system really is messed up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 02/13/2008

1. Superdelegates don't count multiple times. The only thing that makes them "super" is that they are free to change their minds right up to the convention, the same applies for delegates elected from caucus states. The only pledged delegates are the ones assigned by a primary vote. 2. You complain about voting machines and ballots and then offer up some vague "dis" on caucusing. A caucus solves the ballot issues, doesn't it? I will assume you're a Clinton supporter; outside of her campaign in this election cycle, caucuses have never drawn negative publicity and they only started drawing that negative publicity once she started losing them. 3. It isn't illegal for a minor to vote in a primary if the state's party legitimizes it. Party nominations are not subject to state and federal election laws. If your 17 year old son were involved in your local neighborhood watch, would you let him vote on the president? Another Clintonite nuance. You should be excited Barack Obama has excited young people enough to get involved in the primary process. 4. Who really gives a crap about exit polling? Within an hour of the exit polls we get actual results. 5. I picked up an issue of Time magazine, dated Feb. 4th, I never finished reading. According to the Pew Research Center, 37% of Americans named Sen. Obama as the candidate they heard more about in print, Tv and radio news. 39% named Sen. Clinton. Media Matters noted that in the run up to Super Tuesday, 16% of campaign stories on TV news outlets focused primarily on Barack Obama and 25% focused on Hillary Clinton. This year's elections have illustrated a good point--The mainstream media doesn't force a candidate on the public, they gravitate toward the momentum or popular candidate for the sake of ratings. It's the same way with celebrities, that's why momentum is so huge in a presidential campaign. It is simply ridiculous to say that Obama gets more coverage. I know you didn't say that but I'm assuming that's what you're alluding to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 02/13/2008

"WASHINGTON - A prominent civil rights leader has told the Democratic National Committee that refusing to seat delegates from Florida and Michigan would disenfranchise both states' minority communities."

It disenfranchises ALL Democratic voters in Michigan -&- Florida. What is seemingly disturbing to me, is that, in my opinion, if Obama had won in Florida -and- Michigan, his supporters seemingly would be beating down the door of the DNC demanding that voters in these two states not be disenfranchised, ... backing up the NAACP! But since Hillary Clinton won in Michigan -and- Florida, the majority of Obama's supporters seemingly could not care less whether or not minority voters are currently being disenfranchised. Fairness and equity for ALL Americans be damned, Obama supporters don't want Hillary to have her majority delegates in Michigan -and- Florida to be seated at the '08 Dem Convention, no matter which innocent voters unfairly get burned in the process. Right? To me, at the end of the day, in many Obama supporters seemingly thinking it is perfectly O.K. for voters to be unfairly disenfranchised in Michigan -and- Florida, they are looking more and more like Bush voters, in Bush voters thinking it was perfectly O.K. to unethically disenfranchise Floridian voters in Election 2000. ...This national election is supposed to be about ALL Americans, but in winning the self-centered football game of 'making history,', in the eyes of many, honest Democracy needn't apply; it's all about winning at any cost ... even if the little guy gets screwed over, right?!? ... Unreal.

In critical matters of fairness -&- equity in civil rights for *ALL* Americans, I strongly support the NAACP in their efforts to have Michigan -and- Florida state delegates seated at the '08 Democratic Convention; it is clearly the ethically correct thing to do. Anything less, ... is purely un-American.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 02/13/2008

"if Obama had won in Florida -and- Michigan, his supporters seemingly would be beating down the door of the DNC demanding that voters in these two states not be disenfranchised" Well, we'll never know unless we redo the elections (which I doubt very much will happen) because unlike Clinton, Obama followed the rules that ALL the democratic candidates (including Clinton) agreed to and DIDN'T RUN in these states! His name wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan! The only name that was on was Lady Macbeth, I mean Hillary Clinton who at the time said "it doesn't matter if my name stays on the ballot since we all agreed to not count Michigan" This is such a shameful example of the NAACP shilling for Hillary. When this primary process started I was really on the fence between Obama and Clinton. I leaned slightly toward Obama because he seemed more electable but I was enthused about the idea of having the first viable woman candidate for president. Now Hillary has really disappointed me. Its as if she is trying to live up to every lie the right wing told about her in the past. Again and again she tries to redefine the rules in her favor or acts in a way that shows no class (trying to get David Shuster fired, changing the rules on Michigan and Florida, agreeing to go on Faux news, not congratulating Obama when he wins, etc.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 02/13/2008

Ditto. I was in the car, thinking about the campaign and listening to NPR. I was still on the fence but was troubled by the racial bating the Clinton campaign injected into the race after Iowa. At that point, I still wasn't an Obama supporter. Then, magically, an interview with Sen. Clinton came on. Ryan Siegel talked with her one on one. She was downright rude to him and avoided one of his questions on social security caps three times. At the end of the conversation, she abruptly hung up the phone. I signed up for the Obama campaign that afternoon and Mrs. Clinton has reinforced my decision dozens of times in the past few weeks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 02/13/2008

His name was not on the ballot because he CHOSE to remove it. Why should Hillary be penalized because his political strategy did not work. If he was smart then he would have kept it on the ballot...like he did in Florida. Again and again HE tries to redefine the rules in HIS favor acts in a way that shows no class, to quote you, ha ha.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 02/13/2008

and why do you suppose he removed it from the michigan ballot? you think he was not smart, i beg to differ. Perhaps if you read a few issues of the harvard law review you would not say that. Perhaps if you knew why it was left on the florida ballot it might clear things up.

Florida Democratic Party Chairwoman Thurman, Senator Geller and Representative Gelber submitted to Florida"s Secretary of State the names of our Party"s presidential candidates for placement on the January 29, 2008 Democratic Presidential Preference Primary ballot. State law allows candidates who wish to withdraw from the Florida primary to do so by filing an affidavit stating that he or she is not a candidate for President of the United States of America.

In other words: to get off the ballot in Florida, a candidate has to swear that he or she isn"t running for President

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 02/13/2008

Dear OHPLEASE,

Your insight is fantastic. I agree with your assessment totally. She was shafterd out of receiveing those delegates, but MOST importantly, the people of Florida and Michigan did lose their voices. Why aren't they sounding off and taking tougher actions with respect to this? Floridians keep getting shafted. Who is ensuring ethics with respect to their voter's rights?? I hope their voices are resoundlingly heard and allow me to praise Mr. Julian Bond and his integrity and the integrity of the NAACP, which African Americans should be taking a cue from with respect to objectivity in decision making. Bless Fairness and Equality .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 02/13/2008

Praise Julian Bond? I've got a Sacajawea that says he got a call from Bill Clinton last week calling due a favor from back in the day. Had Julian Bond stood up, demanded the resignation of Florida and Michigan party heads, rallied voters from those states and called for a process to be created to allow those voices to be heard--that would have deserved praise. Instead, you have the leader of civil rights group injected race, yet again, were it has no play.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 02/13/2008