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John McCain, John McCain Iraq, John McCain straight talk, John McCain torture

McCain Can't Keep Stories Straight On Iraq, Torture

Washington Post   |  Dan Eggen and Michael D. Shear   |   February 16, 2008 10:40 AM


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In Saturday's Washington Post the paper examines, in two separate articles, instances in which John McCain seems to be either changing his position, contradicting himself, or distorting the truth on topics such as Iraq and his opposition to torture.

On torture:

Republican presidential front-runner John McCain bluntly called waterboarding "torture and illegal" Wednesday morning, again challenging the Bush administration's defense of a harsh interrogation tactic that makes prisoners think they are drowning.

But later the same day, McCain cast a vote against Democratic-sponsored legislation supported by anti-torture advocates that sought to ban waterboarding and other coercive tactics by the CIA.

The Senate vote put McCain (R-Ariz.) on the same side as President Bush, who plans to veto the waterboarding ban. It also was consistent, his spokesman said, with statements McCain has made on the subject since 2005.


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On Iraq and Rumsfeld:

As he gets closer to the Republican nomination, Sen. John McCain has been trying to balance his unqualified support for the Iraq war by reminding audiences that he was also a tough critic of how it was managed until President Bush finally changed strategies a year ago. In recent weeks, McCain has gone so far as to tell audiences that he was "the only one" who called for Donald H. Rumsfeld's resignation as defense secretary.

The trick is that he never did, at least not publicly. The senator from Arizona was a tough critic of Rumsfeld and more than once said that he had no confidence in the Pentagon chief in the two years before Bush finally dumped Rumsfeld in November 2006. But even as he was criticizing Rumsfeld, McCain typically stopped short of calling for the Pentagon chief to step down.

While campaigning in Fort Myers, Fla., on Jan. 26, he told a crowd: "In the conflict that we're in, I'm the only one that said we have to abandon the Rumsfeld strategy -- and Rumsfeld -- and adopt a new strategy." Four days later during a debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, Calif., aired on CNN, McCain said, "I'm the only one that said that Rumsfeld had to go."

A McCain spokesman acknowledged this week that that was not correct. "He did not call for his resignation," said the campaign's Brian Rogers. "He always said that's the president's prerogative." Asked specifically about the senator's statements in Florida and California, Rogers said, "I think he's really just pointing out that he's the only one who really called out the Rumsfeld strategy, and that is certainly true again and again."

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- research See Profile I'm a Fan of research permalink

It's not torture IF "no permanent physical damage"?

rape, sodomy, shock, drugs, burns, dogs, hoods, ... torture...

... American?

Hopefully, NO.

just rethugs/conservatives/neocons/McCain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 02/17/2008
- eahce See Profile I'm a Fan of eahce permalink

Ok (middle) class the assignment for today is John McCain's role in the savings and loan debacle back in the nineties. Hint he was a member of he Keating Five.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 02/17/2008
- transendentilist See Profile I'm a Fan of transendentilist permalink

Heros don't drop bombs on women and children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 02/17/2008
- 3443649 See Profile I'm a Fan of 3443649 permalink

Mc Cain is slipping into senility and Ahlzheimers. His thought paterns of flip flopping on subjects is a sure indicator of mental confusion. Ergo the venimous anger bursts and vulgarity due to this confusion. This man should not even be in the Senate, much less being elected to the presidentcy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 02/17/2008
- imsosure See Profile I'm a Fan of imsosure permalink

McCain and company, if you want to see of the documented irresponsible nonsense these fools have initiated just watch this movie, it's free and the onl thing you risk is being coming sick to your stomach when you realize it is true.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 02/17/2008
- hmmmmm See Profile I'm a Fan of hmmmmm permalink

what's the big deal? McCain was against torture before he was for it. flip flop flip flop flip. . . .

oh wait, he's republican, so his position has "evolved". HA HA HA HA HA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 02/17/2008
- ezrider See Profile I'm a Fan of ezrider permalink

It doesn't get any better than this.
The repugs are serving us up a piece what they consider to be their prime meat and it will be DEVOURED by any old Democrat.

I cannot wait until the first debate.
Mccain gets pissed and says f*** you to whomever he is debating.
Rush Limbreath says se i told you.
Sean wets on himself. And dick cheney goes bird hunting(by himself)

Bring it on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 02/16/2008
- fact finder See Profile I'm a Fan of fact finder permalink

to everyone on this post; Talk is cheap . VOTE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 02/16/2008
- 1differentdrummer See Profile I'm a Fan of 1differentdrummer permalink

Correction, excuse me, vote, give and work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 02/16/2008
- kellygrrrl See Profile I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl permalink

John, didn't you get the Memo:

This is No Country for Old Men

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 02/16/2008
- KQuark See Profile I'm a Fan of KQuark permalink

The GOP (grand OLD party) is called old for a reason.

-Old white men that do not represent a cross section of Americans.

-Old tired ideas that do not address health care, poverty, energy dependence, green technology or any of our recent challenges.

-Old concept that government cannot be run efficiently so they higher party hacks instead of competent professionals.

-Old time religion with all the hypocrisy that it entails like taking care of a fetus is more important than giving all children health insurance.

-Old foreign policy that only relies on force and loathes diplomacy.

-Old school bribes, lobbyists and corruption.

-Old trickle down economic theory that has now been proven wrong twice.

-Old business deregulation that always results in crisis like the sub-prime mortgage crisis and coal mine disasters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 02/16/2008
- BlackWidowPilot See Profile I'm a Fan of BlackWidowPilot permalink

"Gang of Pedophiles." Over seventy members of the "Gang of Pedophiles" have been indicted and/or convicted of sex crimes against children. Speaks volumes about the "party of family values" IMHO.

Family values like the locals in THE HILLS HAVE EYES.

Check out the record:

http://www.armchairsubversive.org/

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 02/17/2008
- incontempt See Profile I'm a Fan of incontempt permalink

Whoa, nice bunch of fella's there, what do the religious rightwingers think about their trust the preacher/trust the politician scheme?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 02/17/2008
- helonias See Profile I'm a Fan of helonias permalink

That miniature Karl Rover that has been implanted in his cheek is starting to take over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 02/16/2008
- thirteen13 See Profile I'm a Fan of thirteen13 permalink

Mel, mel, melanoma. It's not torture, it's payback. Thank you God.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 02/16/2008
- KQuark See Profile I'm a Fan of KQuark permalink

Any McCrazy statement can be summed up as:

NOUN VERB WAR, MY FRIENDS

He's not the friends of solderers in Iraq who are giving to the only true anti-war candidates left Obama and Paul.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 02/16/2008
- eahce See Profile I'm a Fan of eahce permalink

Give the guy a break, he's a senior citizen. Things strart to get a little fuzzy and slow, but he means well, like staying in Iraq for a hundred years to help the Iraqis. We need him now more then ever with this current banking crisis, remember he was one of the Keating five.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 02/16/2008
- helonias See Profile I'm a Fan of helonias permalink

I wouldn't trust him with the TV remote let alone the nuclear button.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 02/16/2008
- KQuark See Profile I'm a Fan of KQuark permalink

LOL I gave my dad who is a little older than McCrazy a DVD player for Christmas over a year ago and he still has not hooked it up. Every time he came to visit when I came back from work he sat there for hours in front of a blank TV because he could not figure out how to use the remote even though I showed him every day.

God blessed I love my dad but I could not see how someone that old could run a country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 02/16/2008
- KQuark See Profile I'm a Fan of KQuark permalink

I have said this all along, voting for McCrazy is like voting for second term Reagan. I hope you like Cindy McCrazy as your prez.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 02/16/2008
- poeticjustice4all See Profile I'm a Fan of poeticjustice4all permalink

John McCain is so old, when he orders a three-minute egg, they ask for the money up front.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 02/16/2008
- incontempt See Profile I'm a Fan of incontempt permalink

Very Funny

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 02/17/2008
- transendentilist See Profile I'm a Fan of transendentilist permalink

Good one. Very clever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 02/17/2008
- Ramirez See Profile I'm a Fan of Ramirez permalink

Ack. That's actually funny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 02/16/2008
- JaneC See Profile I'm a Fan of JaneC permalink

LMAO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 02/16/2008
- Dragon5616 See Profile I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 permalink

LMAO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 02/16/2008
- LaFeminazi See Profile I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi permalink


McCain "I will get them terrorists wherever they may be even if it takes a 100 years. Could someone please tell me where I am, then I can go get them."

Night.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 02/16/2008
- batgirlevi See Profile I'm a Fan of batgirlevi permalink

Night Femi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 02/16/2008
- JaneC See Profile I'm a Fan of JaneC permalink

Goodnight Femi. Sweet dreams.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 02/16/2008
- poeticjustice4all See Profile I'm a Fan of poeticjustice4all permalink

Crusty, cranky Mr. McCain must support the use of torture. Why else would he put his ancient old self through a career-ending run against Obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 02/16/2008
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