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Obama Camp Lowers Wisconsin Expectations

February 18, 2008 11:46 AM


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The Obama campaign took concrete steps to lower expectations for their candidate in tomorrow's primary in Wisconsin.

On a conference call with reporters, campaign manager David Plouffe stated on several occasions that the Badger State represented friendly turf to Sen. Hillary Clinton. Obama's objective, he added, was to merely maintain his delegate lead: roughly 138 pledge delegates.

"[The Clinton camp] is competing very heavily here," said Plouffe. "They have had some amusing and creative reason for why they have not won states so far: [they're] too small, too many African Americans, too many college voters, too many red states...Wisconsin by their own definition is an important state."

What Plouffe was referring to was a refrain from Clinton and her surrogates that the contests Obama has won so far in the Democratic primary have either been formats favorably disposed to him, or states in which a Democrat will have difficulty in a general election.

With the Clinton campaign advertising heavily in the state, and with the tone and tenor of the attacks between the two camps heating up, Plouffe argued that Clinton has made a calculation that Wisconsin is, in fact, winnable.

"We think Wisconsin is going to be a competitive contest and I assume they've made the same decision," Plouffe said.

Read HuffPost's full coverage of the Wisconsin primary.


 
 

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- BrooklynLager See Profile I'm a Fan of BrooklynLager permalink

Clinton: Sitting Shiva for America Tour '08.

(credit to David Brooks, whose line that is. I cannot stand David Brooks, but that at least made me laugh).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 02/19/2008
- BrooklynLager See Profile I'm a Fan of BrooklynLager permalink

By the holy word of cable pundits, nothing that happens in Wisconsin matters. If Obama wins, well, that was expected. If Hillary wins, fine, but Obama still has that nasty delegate lead.

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 02/19/2008
- AnninCA See Profile I'm a Fan of AnninCA permalink

Serously, anyone know why this is close in Wisconsin?

All the pundits were handing it to Obama by a big win.

What's the deal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 02/18/2008
- Pdubya See Profile I'm a Fan of Pdubya permalink

why not? he's lowered my expectation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J80mVXvs64


and got me to support the real change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 02/18/2008
- westview See Profile I'm a Fan of westview permalink

Of course he's lowering his expectations, having a wife who says she has never been proud of America in her adult life until her hubby ran for President isn't playing well in middle america.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 02/18/2008
- AnninCA See Profile I'm a Fan of AnninCA permalink

That's the fake fainter, eh? That is just TOO FUNNY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 02/18/2008
- AnninCA See Profile I'm a Fan of AnninCA permalink

Looks like Hillary stood her ground in Wisconsin and may split it.

Interesting!

Why can't Obama close the deal in these states?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 02/18/2008
- KidMeNot See Profile I'm a Fan of KidMeNot permalink

He's running a 50 state campaign, not picking and choosing where to run. We need a candidate that will Democratic Party across the country, not just California and New York.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 02/18/2008
- AnninCA See Profile I'm a Fan of AnninCA permalink

She's in Texas, Ohio, and Wisconsin right now....So that's baloney.

Why can't he use this magic momentum and close the deal?

He sure had the same great press in Wisconsin and rallies and all that jazz.

I believe I read he sent his "A" team there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 02/18/2008
- scandals&skeletons See Profile I'm a Fan of scandals&skeletons permalink

What if they held an election and more than 1.7 million Florida Democrats came? That is the quandary facing Democrats, as Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama slog it out, state to state, with neither in reach of the 2,025 delegates needed to claim the nomination.
Florida Democrats could stage another election that would count toward tie-breaking delegates, but a caucus with limited voting sites would draw a fraction of the record-setting Jan. 29 turnout.
Or the deadlock could be broken by 796 so-called ''superdelegates'' at the convention, but allowing party bosses to subvert the will of the people -- there's that 1.7 million again -- threatens to be a public-relations disaster.
Florida House Democratic Leader Dan Gelber of Miami Beach is pitching an alternative: a mail-in vote, framed as a runoff between Clinton and Obama, allowing Democrats and independents to participate.
Only Democrats were allowed to cast ballots in the primary, which did not count toward delegates because the early date broke national party rules. Mailing ballots to every registered Democrat and independent would overcome the elitist tinge of a party caucus or superdelegate surge.
SELF-SERVING

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 02/18/2008
- Didi47 See Profile I'm a Fan of Didi47 permalink

Aw scandals...

Come now. Hillary won those states. Is that how it's done in the States? Win elections with media control and if that doesn't work, start over till the people are in a zombie enough like state to comply?

Sure looks like it. Astounding to see what has happened in the USA. Who would have thought it...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 02/18/2008
- BrooklynLager See Profile I'm a Fan of BrooklynLager permalink

Well if you take that line of argument, then those two states shouldn't count at all. THAT was how all candidates agreed it was going to be done.

The revote is a compromise. TAKE IT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 02/19/2008
- scandals&skeletons See Profile I'm a Fan of scandals&skeletons permalink

SELF-SERVING
Clinton's camp immediately dismissed Gelber's idea. No wonder: It gives Obama a chance to win a state she already won, and independents typically favor Obama.
''I think that the people of Michigan and Florida spoke in a very convincing way, that they want their voices and their votes to be heard,'' Clinton said.
But her demand -- which looks increasingly self-serving now that Obama leads in delegates -- may not get traction.
For Obama, whose campaign has dismissed the state's delegate-less vote as meaningless, the do-over allows him to get in the good graces of Florida Democrats. It also would let him do what he does best: talk to voters. The major candidates ceased campaigning in Florida months ago after the party punished Florida.
''I think even my 6-year-old would understand it would not be fair for Sen. Clinton to be awarded delegates when there was no campaign and, in one of the states at least, my name didn't appear on the ballot,'' Obama told reporters.
And for Democrats looking ahead to November, when independent voters will undoubtedly play a decisive role, Gelber's idea of including independents is a potentially ingenious party-building tool. The state party would engage these swing voters months before the general election campaign gets under way

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 02/18/2008
- BrooklynLager See Profile I'm a Fan of BrooklynLager permalink

Florida and Michigan aren't going to count: the idea of a floor battle over that issue will panic enough party leaders to get them to cast their superdelegate vote for Obama.

Also, there are WAY too many quotes from Hillary Clinton saying that they weren't going to be ratified. An argument can be made for or against seating them, but not by her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 02/19/2008
- Didi47 See Profile I'm a Fan of Didi47 permalink

scandals... Obama ran ads all over the State of Florida and no one else did and still lost.. I think Floridians know what they are doing, don't you? Or are you presuming they are all a bit dim witted and need you to help them make up their minds instead until they get it right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 02/18/2008
- butchie65 See Profile I'm a Fan of butchie65 permalink

Got caught lying again, hey Didi !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 02/18/2008
- massiel08 See Profile I'm a Fan of massiel08 permalink

that's a lie. I live in Florida Please if Obama would have campaigned here in person those results wouldnt have held. You know this. there was a home tax exemption on the ballot from Governor Christ that's why it was such a high turnout it was all over the news. It was older homeowners that hit the polls hard. I didnt vote because I thought it wouldnt count. I am pist at clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 02/18/2008
- mestsal See Profile I'm a Fan of mestsal permalink

people are just figuring it out that his using other people's quote's without giving credit. He's been doing this forever plagarizing from Martin Luther King, John Edwards, and especially Hillary Clinton. I was watching Cmm today and from Wisconsin he said that people are tired of paying higher prices to fuel their homes, buy groceries, and higher Co-payments. Hellooooo, Obama, your a hypocrit telling people these things because you were the one that voted for the Dick cheney energy bill. People are not paying attention!! Another example, First he said Hillary's been to long in Washington and then he said Edward's hasn't been long enough in Washington. Jeez, people are hypnotized again in an election just like people were hypnotized with George W. Bush. we are in big trouble and im getting scared of the country going way to war out on the wrong track.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 02/18/2008
- Didi47 See Profile I'm a Fan of Didi47 permalink

mestal:

People have been hypnotized by the Media - with its non stop pro Obama/McCain hype. They bought into it like sheep. The media must be laughing its head off! They own the population and all it took was 6 weeks. Scary stuff to witness in what once was the greatest democracy in the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 02/18/2008
- KidMeNot See Profile I'm a Fan of KidMeNot permalink

Stop looking down your nose at people. Everyone you disagree with is not brainwashed by the media. Try shutting off the TV, if it upsets you so much. Rather than whine about the media argue your case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 02/18/2008
- FrictionSoul See Profile I'm a Fan of FrictionSoul permalink

Why would they lower their expectations now that the Clinton Campaign as it were just shot itself in the foot again by saying Wisconsin doesn't matter.

This campaign of HCs getting weirder by the day. It's a shame that Wolfson and Penn can't recognize that this is event 2006: The majority of Americans have finally woken up to the fact that we hold the power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 02/18/2008
- Simeon1 See Profile I'm a Fan of Simeon1 permalink

Correction: [First Lady]

Real Life Story in Honor of Black History Month

"A Winner Never Quit and a Quitter Never Wins." Barack Obama Making Black History & Dr. King's Dream a Reality.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., expressed this statement when he said: "If a man is called to be a street sweeper, he should sweep the streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry.

He should sweep streets so well that all the host of heaven and earth will pause and say, here lived a great street sweeper who did his job well."

Barack Obama has done his job well!

A Man Got to Do What a Man Got to Do

African American and all minorities should take pride in knowing you are a Worthwhile Person in More Ways than a Million. In this book you will find a plethora of hopeful optimism, and black contributions to this country and society at large.

Foot note:

In response to George Will's erudite Editorial in the NY Post, Wednesday, January 23, 2008

I hope the following message will not be relegated to the periphery of your scholarly acumen.

In addition to black contributions and Barack Obama Making a Difference, bringing us together again...

Learn more from the author of You"re a Worthwhile Person in more Ways than a Million by Simeon Johnson

Black History Continued...

It's a well known fact...

Garrett A. Morgan, an African-American, invented the first automatic

traffic signal: After witnessing a collision between an automobile

and a horse-drawn carriage in the early 1900s, Morgan decided to invent a traffic signal. While others had tested, promoted,

and even patented traffic signals, Morgan was one of the first to actually apply for and acquire a U.S. patent for an inexpensive-
to-produce traffic signal.¦The patent was granted in 1923, and Morgan later patented the signal"s technology in Great Britain and Canada as well.

[It is not a mandate that President emeritus; Bill Clinton and Farmer First Lady be given the key to White House for the third term].

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 02/18/2008
- Didi47 See Profile I'm a Fan of Didi47 permalink

Simeon1:

It should also not be a mandate the the Media determine the next President with biased coverage either, ya think?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 02/18/2008
- starboymikey See Profile I'm a Fan of starboymikey permalink

Everyone should be aware that with Hillary Clinton as the nominee, Ralph Nader will again be in the mix, which would probably swing some close states to McCain.

I say this because of what I've been reading, and because we all already know how Nader feels about the Clintons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 02/18/2008
- Simeon1 See Profile I'm a Fan of Simeon1 permalink

Real Life Story in Honor of Black History Month

"A Winner Never Quit and a Quitter Never Wins." Barack Obama Making Black History & Dr. King's Dream a Reality.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., expressed this statement when he said: "If a man is called to be a street sweeper, he should sweep the streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry.

He should sweep streets so well that all the host of heaven and earth will pause and say, here lived a great street sweeper who did his job well."

Barack Obama has done his job well!

A Man Got to Do What a Man Got to Do

African American and all minorities should take pride in knowing you are a Worthwhile Person in More Ways than a Million. In this book you will find a plethora of hopeful optimism, and black contributions to this country and society at large.

Foot note:

In response to George Will's erudite Editorial in the NY Post, Wednesday, January 23, 2008

I hope the following message will not be relegated to the periphery of your scholarly acumen.

In addition to black contributions and Barack Obama Making a Difference, bringing us together again...

Learn more from the author of You"re a Worthwhile Person in more Ways than a Million by Simeon Johnson

Black History Continued...

It's a well known fact...

Garrett A. Morgan, an African-American, invented the first automatic

traffic signal: After witnessing a collision between an automobile

and a horse-drawn carriage in the early 1900s, Morgan decided to invent a traffic signal. While others had tested, promoted,

and even patented traffic signals, Morgan was one of the first to actually apply for and acquire a U.S. patent for an inexpensive-
to-produce traffic signal.¦The patent was granted in 1923, and Morgan later patented the signal"s technology in Great Britain and Canada as well.

[It is not a mandate that President emeritus; Bill Clinton and Farmer Firts Lady be given the key to White House for the third term].

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 02/18/2008
- Didi47 See Profile I'm a Fan of Didi47 permalink

Simion1:

Start with obamatruth.org for a measure of the man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 02/18/2008
- goofticket See Profile I'm a Fan of goofticket permalink

"...states in which a Democrat will have difficulty in a general election." ??

Wisconsin has not voted a Republican President since 1984.

Kinda prophetic, eh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 02/18/2008
- Krazime See Profile I'm a Fan of Krazime permalink

It sure is.
Let's get a couple of friends together, write up a script about Hillary with some drugs and sex with a woman....then lets see if it'll catch fire. Uhhhh, we know its not true, but what the hell, lets do it anyway. We have to find a way to get people to stop voting for her, well how about questioning her morals and integrity.

Its no wonder there are a lot of people in this country that don't second guess a ploy like this....look at the distortions and lies floating just to get elected. Disgusting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 02/18/2008
- rwferr See Profile I'm a Fan of rwferr permalink

Well in Obama's case we don't have to make up anything as his drugs and sex in right in his own book.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 02/18/2008
- AnninCA See Profile I'm a Fan of AnninCA permalink

LOL*....that's funny.

Indeed it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 02/18/2008
- Didi47 See Profile I'm a Fan of Didi47 permalink

rwferr:

Yes true but he left some really juicy stuff out...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 02/18/2008
- SShaw490 See Profile I'm a Fan of SShaw490 permalink

Up to now, Barack has had to beat Hillary and Hillary just had to hold serve. Now it's the other way around - Barack has become the default choice and Hillary has to beat him. She has to do more than just keep him from increasing his lead - she has to make up 130 earned delegates. I don't think she can do it, but I'm sure she'll try.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 02/18/2008
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