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Drawn-Out Primary Fight Will Weaken Crucial DNC Fundraising Efforts

Huffington Post   |  Thomas Edsall and Amanda Michel   |   February 19, 2008 01:22 AM


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DNC Executive Director Tom McMahon issued a response to this article, which you can find at the end of this post.

The longer the primary fight between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama stretches out, the more it will weaken the fundraising capacity of the Democratic National Committee, a crucial source of financial and staff support for the general election nominee.

While energized rank and file Democrats have turned out in record numbers, the DNC, nevertheless, ended 2007 nearly broke, after embarking on two expensive projects -- the building of a national voter file and a 50-state staffing program -- according to reports filed at the Federal Election Commission.

DNC chair Howard Dean has not been able to transfer the fundraising prowess he demonstrated during his 2004 presidential bid to the national party.

Some sources said many donors stopped contributing in retaliation for the failure of the newly elected Democratic House and Senate majorities to stop, or force major cutbacks, in the war in Iraq. In addition, many of the donors Dean brought in during the 2004 campaign have transferred their loyalties to Obama.

That leaves unexplained, however, why the Democratic Senatorial and Congressional Committees are breaking all records, while the DNC has effectively stagnated.

The DNC's bottom line, according to most experts, will not improve significantly until the party settles on a nominee. Once that happens, many donors, if past history is a guide, will give to the DNC to boost prospects of taking over the White House.

At the moment, however, both the Obama and Clinton campaigns are gearing up for the fight to continue at least until early June when the last primary is scheduled, and perhaps all the way to the August convention in Denver.

The delay could prove particularly damaging to Obama, if he wins the nomination, because he is considering taking a limited amount of public money to finance his general election campaign. If he does take public money, he will be looking to the DNC to provide hundreds of millions of dollars to help pay for both staff in battleground states and for pro-Democratic radio and television advertising.

Clinton has made it clear that she is very likely to reject public financing if nominated. Even so, she would be looking to the DNC to raise cash. Donors who have "maxed out" to either Clinton or Obama, by giving a total of $4600 to be split between the primary and the general elections, can still give as much as another $25,000 directly to the party committee.

The importance to the DNC of settling on a nominee early was clearly demonstrated in 2004. Then, John Kerry effectively won the nomination in March.

In February and March of that year, DNC receipts were a modest $5.7 million and $6.6 million, respectively. In April 2004, with a nominee in place, the cash flow nearly tripled to $16.2 million. By August, it was at $27.6 million, and by October it reached $63 million. Overall, for 2003-4, the DNC raised a massive $360.6 million.

By the end of 2007, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee had a net balance (cash on hand minus debts) of $33.7 million. The DSCC had a net of $27.9 million. Both of these committees raised substantially more than their Republican Congressional and Senatorial counterparts, and began 2008 with millions more dollars to spend on the election.

Alone among Democratic committees, the DNC has been substantially bettered by its Republican counterpart, the RNC. The RNC raised $85.7 million in 2007 to the DLC's $54.8 million, and had a net cash balance at the start of 2008 of $17.3 million compared to the DLC's $730,000.

In January, according to Stacy Paxton, DNC spokeswoman, the flow of contributions improved modestly with the beginning of the primaries and caucuses, pushing the balance in the bank up to $3.3 million as of February 1.

At the same time in 2004, the DNC was in a significantly better cash position with over $10 million in the bank.

Paxton argued that the cash balance does not take into account the creation of a nationwide field staff assembled through Dean's "50 state program" -- financing four staffers in each state, at a cost of up to $10 million annually.

In addition, Paxton said, the DNC has developed and refined a national voter list at a cost of more than $10 million.

Others, including Democratic House Caucus chair Rahm Emanuel, have been sharply critical of the 50-state program, arguing that it is a waste of valuable resources in many states that will never vote for a Democratic presidential candidate.

Some of Dean's harshest critics are now top advisers to the Clinton campaign.

Neither Clinton nor Obama, however, wants to do anything to offend Dean at this moment, because his decisions could play a crucial role both in determining whether the disputed Florida and Michigan delegations will be seated, and in shaping the debate over the potentially decisive role of "superdelegates" in picking the nominee.

Asked to comment on the currently weak position of the DNC, Howard Wolfson, Clinton's communication director, said "Democrats are incredibly energized and both candidates are raising record amounts. Money is not going to be problem for the DNC."

Top aides to Obama declined to comment.

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DNC Executive Director Tom McMahon: "A few points were missing from today's post by Thomas Edsall and Amanda Michel, "Drawn-Out Primary Fight Will Weaken Crucial DNC Fundraising Efforts." First, make no mistake, the DNC will have the resources to compete and win in November. We raised $8.5 million more in 2007 than in 2003, and in January, we raised $5 million and retired all but $250,000 of the debt the DNC took on to help take back the House and Senate in 2006. What's different this year is that the DNC is making early investments in infrastructure and technology so our nominee can hit the ground running. One key lesson learned from past presidential elections was the importance of making early investments in infrastructure, planning and staff. It's true that fundraising hasn't taken off as it will once we have a nominee. Our strong Democratic candidates are raising record amounts, which may limit contributions to the DNC now, but will create more opportunities to raise record amounts once we have a nominee."


 
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If Hillary can't put together a decent campaign organization, why would anyone think she could put together an effective government?

Experience is as experience does, and Hillary's doesn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 02/20/2008

Big egos. Poop happens. That's politics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 02/19/2008
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If Obama needs money, his close to half million donors and their friends will give it to him. And if Obama wants us to give a little more to the party, we'll do that too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 02/20/2008
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stupidity by the bloggers--if the right candidate nis chosen--who isn't black--we will have plenty of money to give--huff post liers

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 02/19/2008

Strange that this story is here today,, I sent a letter to the DNC and told them our Democratic Party is falling apart, I am 51 years old and have never seen the hate between Democrats like this in my life. I cannot even read the comments anymore I get sick to my stomach. So, I guarantee you, as I told Mr Dean in my e-mail, that because of the nasty, hateful talk between supporters of BOTH candidates, no matter WHO GETS THE NOMINATION WHETHER BY STEALING IT OR EARNING IT, WE CANNOT WIN. So you all can keep blaming the MSM, or whatever/whomever you want, the FINGER POINTS AT US..DEMOCRATS!!! WE are to blame because of the divisions that are only getting deeper as this goes on, the constant insulting each other, slandering each other's candidates, and the rest of the BS. So John McCain will win, no matter who he runs against because we would rather demonize each other and blame anyone and anything but ourselves. So Congrats to my fellow Democrats, we deserve what we get..if McCain only knew he doesn't have to "pander" to the Right Wing to win, WE are gonna hand it to him on a SILVER PLATTER.

JOB WELL DONE, maybe 4 years from now we will have learned our lesson, but this round..WE BLEW IT AGAIN!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 02/19/2008
- Zia I'm a Fan of Zia permalink

I am confident that will not happen. The reason the feud pains us is because all of us are decent human beings. Once the war machines stop, it will be a smooth ride to WH.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 02/19/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 02/19/2008

I agree with you 100%. I have been a Democrat all my life and I am so disgusted with this whole process I am becoming an Independent. I am a Floridian and since my vote does not count, I will vote for John McCain if Obama is the candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 02/20/2008

The polls are bass-ackwards and "Red" vs. "Blue" State voting behavior is a thing of the past!

Clinton & Obama Divide Country into Pink and Black States


http://tootruthy.blogspot.com/2008/02/clinton-and-obama-divide-country-into.html




    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 02/19/2008

Today's Gallop poll gives detailed results of Obama's headway among almost all groups of voters:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/104428/Obama-Gaining-Among-MiddleAged-Women-Hispanics.aspx

Polls should never be entirely trusted and this year has been particularly bad for pollsters but trends tend to be much more reliable than absolute results.

The most striking statistics were the ones with graduated grouping such as education and age. Although Obama made headway in every group, Obama made the most gains in the _middle_ group.

Age ......... Obama Gain

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18 -- 34 ..... 6%

35 -- 54 ..... 16%

55+ .......... 12%

Education ........ Obama Gain

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High School or less .. 15%

Some College ......... 18%

College Graduate ..... 6%

These results indicate that the voting "blocs" from Super Tuesday were the result of a communication gap. They were not due to fundamental divides in our country. Obama was simply getting his message across fastest to younger and better educated voters. The more he campaigns, the better he does. I feel hopeful that these trends will continue and Obama will emerge as the clear victor well before the Democratic convention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 02/19/2008
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People are giving to candidates, not the DNC this year. It's an election year and they put all their $ into building an election infrastructure. Once the candidate is decided the $ will pick up and we'll get rolling quickly. Grassroots efforts can get expensive when you have to put boots on the ground.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 02/19/2008

the dnc weakened their fund raising efforts when they refused to act on the mandate handed to them in nov. '06. they were swept into control of both house and senate on promises of stopping the bush administrations flagrant abuse of power and the constitution only to immediately and consistently roll over and acquiesce to bush's every whim.

the democrats are their own worse enemy b/c they lack the backbone to fight for what they and their constituents believe in...all bark and no bite...it's a weakness that is now suspect...for all their blather they are just as corrupt as the republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 02/19/2008

looks like their backbone may be making a comeback if you consider the FISA bill stand.

i'll give you the last one on corruption, nevertheless . . . the GOP has been quite successful at planting moles in the dem party also -- perhaps, obama will expose their asses... that includes billary . . . just look at the records and the donators.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 02/19/2008
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Honestly the repubs had to cram the 30 years of mild/moderate corruption in the Dem legistlature into about 8 years and thanks to Duke and DeLay they made up a lot of ground and overtook the Dems. The big problem is that when a democrat is corrupt they themselves get rich. When a Republican is corrupt it costs hundreds of millions in tax dollars to give massive corporate handouts and no bid contracts. Not to mention that our air and water and soil get contaminated for Republican Greed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 02/19/2008

The horrible irony of this whole FL/MI abortion is simply that the election would probably be OVER now if the DNC hadn't meddled.

If Hillary had won FL and MI by big margins on Jan 29, as she DID, she would have picked up a big lead in delegates and overwhelming momentum. It is possible that Obama would have even conceded.

But instead of that, they have created the current nightmare for the Democratic Party, which could go on for months.

If they had ANY brains at all, they would now be pushing maniacally for RE-VOTES in FL and MI. But they are apparently too dumb to even do that.

At the same time, if Obama believes in letting the voters decide, then how come he doesn't come out in favor of a Florida/Michigan RE-VOTE?

All that Obama has to do is say the word. He could raise the money in a week. The DNC says that it's OK.

But Obama just ignores it. He KNOWS that he would LOSE BIG AGAIN in FL and MI. Then he CRYBABIES about not having had his name on the Michigan ballot.

DUH. If Obama was dumb enough to not have his name on the MI ballot, how is that Hillary's fault?

And as far as Obama and Hillary AGREEING not to seat FL delegates, that's a bunch of crap. They agreed not to campaign in FL. They do not have the RIGHT to prohibit seating Florida's delegates.

If chickenshirt Obama does not have the GUTS to participate in an honest RE-VOTE in FL and MI, then he should GET OUT OF THE WAY, and allow the FL and MI delegates to be seated.

How TOTALLY INSANE is it to disenfranchise two of the most important swing states in the election?

Time for Obama to s**t or get off the pot. Either allow the seating of the FL/MI delegates, or else call for a RE-VOTE. One of the two. The DNC does not have the moral RIGHT to disenfranchise FL and MI.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 02/19/2008

hillary agreed to it and trends show if there were a vote today obama would take MI by 20 points.

if the DNC were to go for a re vote obama would happily campaign and primary in FL and MI -- and if current trends continue she'd get her ass kicked in MI and hillary would squeak out FL but not by enough for it to matter...

she signed the agreement. therefore, another scenario suggests if she wasn't a two-face, fo anything to win neo-con mole, power mad shrew, and took the high road by publicly stating "that was the deal" things wouldn't be so fucked up either. and THAT would be the honorable thing to do all things considered.

and the DNC DOES have the right not to seat the FL/MI delegates if FL and MI don't abide by the RULES...

it's up to the citizens of FL and MI to straighten out their own state issues.

and as for FL -- it's a "fixed" state -- republican controlled and manipulated with DIEBOLD machines and operatives all through the system to cheat the right into victory... dems should write it off entirely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 02/19/2008
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Wow.. do all Clinton voters whine so much? FL & MI... Hey when Texas' firewall for Hillary turns to ashes can Clinton request that Texas have a Re-vote? ...Oh wait Texas followed the rules plus we can't because we get to vote twice already!

FL & MI party bosses screwed over their constituents. They had 30 days to change their decision. Deal with it.

Round up the Superdelegates I'm sure a holding out a couple of ambassador slots will sway them..

http://www.superdelegates.org/
http://www.fec.gov/disclosure.shtml
http://www.opensecrets.org

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 02/19/2008

It's interesting that this article appears on the web page near another headline: "DNC-Appointed Superdelegates Support Clinton 3 to 1." Hmmm, wonder if Obama supporters are reluctant to give their money to an organization that is stacked against their candidate? If the DNC's wallet is a little thin right now, think of what it'll look like if Hillary steals the nomination. Of course, that would only return the DNC to its longtime mission of losing, whining, and capitulating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 02/19/2008

OMG!!! The DNC is spending it's money on organizers in all 50 states rather than amassing a fortune to be ineffectually thrown at a couple of "swing states", once again allowing the GOP to steal the election?!?

THE NERVE!!!

snark off

OBAMA '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 02/19/2008

The photo is funny. It looks like obama is checking out Hillary's trunk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 02/19/2008

Is that what he is checking out???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 02/19/2008

This is an important story. The DNC has itself to blame for its lack of fundraising. Here's why:

1. It was the DNC's incredible decision to strip Michigan and Florida of their delegates for the decision to hold primaries earlier than the DNC wanted. A lesser penalty was in order. Who ever heard of fostering democratic principles by disenfranching voters? Does it make sense to punish Florida Democrats for a scheduling decision made by Forida Republicans?

2. The caucus system is an embarrassment. How can a tiny percentage of voters in a given state possibly be representative of what will happen in the general election?

3. Donors are waiting to see if their candidates are treated fairly. My guess is that if Hillary's big money supporters (the backbone of the party's fundraising by the way)perceive that she is being strong-armed by "party elders" like Al Gore to get out of the race prematurely, they will sit this one out. There have been hints of this already (probably leaked by Gore) and this can explain why DNC fundraising has lagged.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 02/19/2008

If Florida and Michigan voters are denied their choice of candidates can anyone truely say that America has voted? In the Marine Corps there is the pledge that no Marine will ever be left behind, either dead or alive. In the case of Michigan and Florida, if these people are denied the results of the ballots they have cast, then there will be MILLIONS of AMERICANS who will have been left behind. sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 02/19/2008

Very savvy analysis, Roanoke.

And somewhat lost in the narrative is the fact that it was largely the republican-controlled Florida legislature that moved up the state's primary date - the DNC's subsequent punishment of Florida democrats is irrational.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 02/19/2008

Age, Thank you.

As I understand it, and as you note, it was a Republican decision to move the date forward in FL. The Republicans undoubtedly knew that there would be some penalty imposed on FL Democrats. Little did they dream that the penalty would be disenfranchisement of FL Democrats, and chaos in the Democratic primary. (A more fitting penalty would have been some post-2008 admonishment, or bad seats for the FL delegation at the Dem convention). In fairness to the FL Republicans, it was done in the open, so its not a dirty trick. But it will go down in the pantheon of Republican campaign tricks that will be fondly recalled by Republicans everywhere and toasted along with Willy Horton, swiftboating, etc. And the DNC played right into their hands.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 02/19/2008
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Ya but it won 185 to 1 so even the dems in the Fl state legislature supported it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 02/19/2008

florida is a "fix" state -- DIEBOLD voting machines and entirely locked by the republicans -- it wil NEVER EVER go democratic in the general .. forget it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 02/19/2008

Wow, your the like the smartest person I've ever seen post on here. Spot on!

Obama's Army whines about those delegates and the following the rules, and then in the same breath does not want to follow the rules of the Super Delegates.

Patrick Fitzgerald is going to prosecuting on the 25th in the Rezko case. This Syrian born, 17 year friend of Obama, is his very first campaign donor. Now he is trying to downplay his relationship with the crook.

Obama also has a PLO friend who held a fund raiser for him. All of this stuff is going to be hitting the headlines after the trial starts.

If Hillary is still behind in pledged delegates, yet close, the supers have to keep all this in mind.

They need to keep in mind that is a rabid minority and Republican outside agitators who have comprised Obama's delegate support, at least in a significant part.

After this latest revelation that call's in question Obama's true authenticity as a leader, and all of the other negatives about him, the party elders have a responsibility to people like me, who are true Dems, not people who would rather vote for Nader if he had a snowball's chance in hell of winning!

I'm a fan of Roanoke!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 02/19/2008

"We are supposed to be pursuing happiness, not infrastructure."

You are absotluely correct. All the exit polls show that Hillary is leading among actual registered Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 02/19/2008

SC, Thanks. But your post raises another possibility about the problems with DNC fundraising -- maybe the big donors are waiting to see if Sen. Obama passes the acid test of real and intense media scrutiny (which we have not seen, especially if you watch MSNBC). The "supers" can't afford to pick a candidate who has not been scrutinized/vetted/tested -- imagine they pick a candidate with "issues" and there is no exit strategy? They can't afford to be embarrassed.
Others have raised the same question that you have raised, but no one seems to be providing any answers.
See, e.g., Ambassador Joe Wilson: "How will Mr. Obama respond to charges made by the Kenyan government that his campaigning activities in Kenya in support of his distant cousin running for president there made him "a stooge" and constituted interference in the politics of an important and besieged ally in the war on terror?"
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.hillary12feb12,0,7566890,print.story

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 02/19/2008

I didn't think about Rezko all that much, but new questions are being asked.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-obama-rezko-home-feb19,0,6690484.story

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 02/19/2008

Have to agree totally with your points (1) and (2). Don't have much of an opinion about (3).

It is obvious that the DNC does not know the difference between a penalty and disenfranchizing. As Sen. Obama would probably say, "a bone-headed move".

I have thought for years that the caucus process violates the election concept of "secret ballots". But there is much more wrong with it than just that. Time limitations for one; many people are prohibited from participating because of conflinting work schedules, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 02/19/2008

I am a huge Clinton supporter. I personaly find it is Obama who is disingenuous, not to mention his healthcare reform plan is a complete joke that will not fix anything in this country. However, I the way things are shapping up, I can't help but hope he wins the nomination. My reason being is that Hillary supporters like myself, understand how important it is to keep a republican from the white house, so will actively support Obama if he becomes the nominee. Obama supporters however, act like petulant children, who threaten to "take there ball and go home" if they do not get their way. My fear is, they would stay home in Nov. and not vote, or that blogs like this one would continue to attack Clinton, while claiming to be progressive, if their man, Obama, does not get the nomination. I think Clinton would be the best choice for president. But its time I start to look at things realisticaly and admit that Obama's democrats will hand the presidancy over to mccain if we don't let them have their way, and give Obama the nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 02/19/2008

Giving in to petulant children is no way to run the Democratic Party. I for one will not support Obama if the Dems use this reasoning to hand him the nomination. Agreeing to be manipulated and strong-armed and having someone DEMAND, rather than work for, my vote goes against every priniciple of democracy and the Democratic party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 02/19/2008

Sorry, but I get the feeling you are trying to use reverse psycology! LOL

Obama is anti-Isreal. There is no doubt in my mind about that. But I also know, most of ObamaNation is, too!

He has his PLO buddy doing fund raisers for him. There is no doubt in my mind that the whole house deal with Rezko, was pay back. He was the very first donor of Obama's when he ran for state Senate and has raised almost a million dollars for him over the course of his career. That is just what we can prove.

We find out now he is not even authentic at his motivational speaking. He is a flim-flam man and it does not mean enough to me to vote for him just to have a Prez with a D

Thank you to all of the snobby Obama supporters on this site who have opened my eyes about being a blind partisan. I cannot see myself ever voting for him.

I hope Bloomberg is listening. I know there are others like me who feel this party has been hijacked by the rapid left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 02/19/2008

Actually, you're misrepresenting the views of Obama supporters. While it's true that we would much rather have Obama be the nominee, many of us would vote for Hillary if she were the nominee, albeit with noses held. However, if Obama were ahead in votes, pledged delegates and states"as he is now"and Hillary were to snag the nomination due to backroom dealing, how could you expect Obama supporters to sanction such an outcome? I'm sure if the shoe were on the other foot, you as a Clinton supporter would do the same. So let's forget this "take the ball and go home" nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 02/19/2008

um, those are the rules! Remember?! You keep talking about the rules of seating the Florida and Michigan delegation. Well, the Super Delegates are just as much part of the rules! If Obama does not get to 2025 delegates, the Super Delegates have to vote!

That is also part of the rules. So it is not a snag, as you say. And she leads among registered Dems. This is the Democratic Primary, is it not?

The Super Delegates better keep THAT in mind. Because many of these "kids" who are decline to state, and just love Obama because he talks cool, are not going to be there for this party in the future. Not like I have been my whole life. But I won't be, if they fuck me on this one! Trust me on that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 02/19/2008

What you are seeing as petulance is to some extent disgust on the part of Progressives over the DLC in general. There is an element that feel sold out by the so called "party leadership" and see Barak as their last remaining hope for genuine change.
I do think however that should Hillary get the nomination, the vast majority of Democrats will back her against McCain in the general election.; now especially that McCain has taken on the whole mantle of the Republican Party, including his support of torture.
As to the Clinton plan "fixing" the healthcare crisis, some don"t believe that government subsidization of the insurance industry is the best fix when the insurance industry IS the problem, but that"s another discussion.
In the end Progressives see Obama as less aligned with big business and more likely to promote middle class interests. Progressives understand that at some point the very real divisions in this Party need to be addressed, but I think for the most part they are intelligent enough to understand that this election is not the time to split the Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 02/19/2008
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If you want to keep a Republican from the Whitehouse, why are you supporting her? Her position on NAFTA and Tarriffs is just more of the same Bushian bullshit. I mean she stumped for NAFTA for Bill, why would she give a shit if it's taking jobs and destroying small towns. I watched a town of 10,000 die last year becuase of NAFTA...

Hillary is more of the same, she doesn't care about fixing our country, she only cares about getting elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 02/19/2008

Yeah, of course, she just endures all this abuse because it's all about her.

For one thing, it's naive to think in this global economy you can be protectionist and isolationist.

The difference between repug and smart thinking is Dems, is the repugs care about "growing" the business of of their old chronies. The dems care about growing the economy through progress.

All economic booms have happened because of the government helped to foster new technology. The raild road, the information age, the pc/internet boom of the 90's etc.

Right now, we have the oppurtunity to do that with energy technology. Clinton is fully aware of that and she plans to use her admin. to foster a new economic boom. Obama plays lip service to this potential.

I think you have it backwards. Clinto is aware that even health insurace will provide an economic boom, the same with stabelizing the housing market. It is a vision with her, it's words to Obama, and probably someone else's words, at that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 02/19/2008

Everyone knows of the patriotism and sacrifices of America and its peoples throughout the history of our great nation.
"For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of America".
What if Hillary Clinton had expressed that thought publicly? She would be excoriated, not only by the media but by all Americans in general. But Hillary Clinton DID NOT express those words publicly, Michelle Obama DID! Michelle Obama is 43-44 years of age and for the first time in her [adult] life she is proud of America? WHY?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 02/19/2008

She also says we need new souls that presumably will be created in the purified moment of voting for her husband. Now if that line came from a white evangelical Republican, the lefty progressives would scorn and scoff.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 02/19/2008

No, I'm sure she has loved America ever since he got in the Senate and she was promoted and got an extra 100k a year. She also got put on the board of a sleazy corp. making another 100k.

Sorry, none of the Clinton's so called scandals made that much doe!

Not to mention the house they for under 300k of the asking price and the lot next door that was purchased by Syrian slime ball and 17 year Obama buddy, Rezko!

Obama seems to have a lot of contacts from the Middle East. Just what we need in a President right now.

God, I hate this F*** Head! He makes slick willy look like child's play.

Ever see that show the wire? Senator Clay Davis? Obama is a "white friendly" version of that slime ball!

When the hell is this all going to touch this guy. I guess it does not matter, he spoke out on the war. Although if he was in the Senate at the time, he probably would not have show up, or just voted PRESENT!



    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 02/19/2008
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How did she loan herself 5 million dollars? Where she get that kind of money? I guess when Bill can swing billion dollar mining contracts for friends in Kazakstan a 5 mil loan is small potatos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 02/19/2008
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