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Clinton Faces Daunting Delegate Deficit

DAVID ESPO | February 20, 2008 11:07 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton must win 57 percent of the remaining primary and caucus delegates to erase Barack Obama's lead, a daunting task requiring landslide-sized victories by a struggling presidential candidate.

Obama's victories in Wisconsin and Hawaii on Tuesday _ his ninth and 10th in a row _ left him with 1,178 pledged delegates won in primaries and caucuses in The Associated Press' count. Clinton has 1,024.

Another 1,025 remain to be awarded, most of them in contests in 14 states, Guam and Puerto Rico. It takes 2,025 to win the nomination.

Further complicating Clinton's challenge, Obama appears particularly well-positioned to win at least one of the remaining states with ease. Mississippi, with a primary on March 11, fits a pattern of Southern states with large black populations that he has won handily, including South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia and Louisiana.

The rival campaigns maintain their own delegate counts. And while both agree Obama is the leader, they differ on the significance.

"The only way in this system to amass delegates is to win by big margins. Close races result in close delegate distribution," David Plouffe, Obama's campaign manager, told reporters in a conference call.

"The only way she can do it is winning states like Ohio 65-35, Texas 65-35, Pennsylvania, you know, 70-30. and you go on and on and on. She'd have to win pretty much all the states, even states where we're considered to have some strength," he added.

Clinton's top aides said Plouffe was deliberately trying to set unrealistically high expectations for the former first lady.

"We expect to do well in both those states," said Harold Ickes, speaking of Texas and Ohio, which hold primaries on March 4. "But 65 percent is a far reach and there is no expectation here that we're going to hit that number."

"We're in the neighborhood of about 75 delegates behind, that is less that 3 percent of the total number of delegates who have been elected. We expect to narrow that gap substantially by the end of this process," he added.

Obama's lead in delegates won at the ballot box is partially offset by Clinton's advantage among superdelegates _ members of Congress, governors and other party leaders who are unpledged to either candidate. She leads in that category, 238-173, cutting Obama's overall margin to 89 delegates in the AP count.

Superdelegates are free to shift allegiances. And Clinton's recent string of primary and caucuses defeats coincides with a slow erosion of support among the same party leaders who established her as the front-runner months before the first votes were cast.

She has failed to add any since Super Tuesday on Feb. 5, while Obama is slowly gaining ground.

The former first lady lost two more superdelegates during the day, both in New Jersey, when one switched to Obama and the other moved to uncommitted.

Additionally, Reps. Lloyd Doggett of Texas and Ron Kind of Wisconsin, both superdelegates, endorsed Obama.

"My constituents overwhelmingly chose Barack Obama to be their nominee, and I am proud to pledge my superdelegate vote to him as well," Kind said in a statement.

Further underscoring Clinton's political peril, Rep. David Scott of Georgia announced he would vote for Obama rather than the former first lady, and Rep. John Lewis said he might switch, as well.

Superdelegates aside, results in earlier states show how difficult Clinton will find it to overtake Obama's lead when the primaries resume in two weeks.

In general, delegates are allocated on the basis of popular votes within congressional districts, and any candidate who gains 15 percent of the vote is entitled to at least one.

Clinton won New Jersey with 54 percent of the vote and Massachusetts with 56 percent on Feb. 5. But because Obama ran relatively well, particularly in some congressional districts, she won the delegate competition by only 28 delegates combined in the two states.

Contrast that to Obama's home state of Illinois, he won slightly less than 65 percent of the vote _ and won 55 more delegates than Clinton.

The contests left on the calendar include primaries in Ohio, Texas, Vermont, Rhode Island, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, Montana and South Dakota as well as caucuses in Wyoming, Guam and Puerto Rico. There are 44 delegates unallocated from primaries and caucuses held earlier.

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Associated Press Writer Stephen Ohlemacher contributed to this report.


 
 

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- Orikinla See Profile I'm a Fan of Orikinla permalink

The Democratic Party is making the presidential race a hard road to travel for their presidential candidates and both of them would be worn and torn apart before the presidential election in November.

If Senator John McCain wins, the Democratic Party should be blamed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 02/21/2008
- OneAmerica See Profile I'm a Fan of OneAmerica permalink

If you have any doubt about would be a better president between Hillary and Barack, please read

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/20/201332/807/36/458633

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 02/21/2008
- zundra See Profile I'm a Fan of zundra permalink

Yep thats an outstanding article. A very real critical look at both candidates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 02/21/2008
- ATLiberal See Profile I'm a Fan of ATLiberal permalink

That is awesome. It really puts the Clinton claim of who can get the job done to rest. The answer is obviously Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 02/21/2008
- AgathaX See Profile I'm a Fan of AgathaX permalink

The link is to a really impressive and even-handed article by a woman who set out on her own to figure out what Obama and Hillary had each done as Senators. Click! You won't be sorry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 02/21/2008
- GrouchoMarxist See Profile I'm a Fan of GrouchoMarxist permalink

March 4 ought to about wrap this thing up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 02/21/2008
- Felicty See Profile I'm a Fan of Felicty permalink

Hillary wins by a landslide!


Yeah sure: Like that would ever happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 02/21/2008
- Rottweiler See Profile I'm a Fan of Rottweiler permalink

TONIGHT'S DEBATE: I hope that Senator Clinton and Senator Obama are each asked to clarify their stance on the Patriot Act. We truly must know their plans for this most sinister assault on our rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 02/21/2008
- Plowboy See Profile I'm a Fan of Plowboy permalink

Great! But do you think it'll happen?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 02/21/2008
- LawProf See Profile I'm a Fan of LawProf permalink

TONIGHT'S DEBATE: I want to know why the Clintons' won't disclose their tax returns unless she is nominated. What does that say about their opinion of voters in the Democratic primaries? And what do they have to hide? One thought: you can't write a check for $5 million, even with an $8 million book deal, unless you don't pay taxes. So, that $5 million came from Bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 02/21/2008
- HanFeiTzu See Profile I'm a Fan of HanFeiTzu permalink

Their next step is to break the Democratic nominee who may be Obama. As the editorial in the Financial Times said today she would improve her standing by exiting the race.

Won't happen though. They want to steal it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 02/21/2008
- williamg See Profile I'm a Fan of williamg permalink

I am not sure if she will another contest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 02/21/2008
- eurydice See Profile I'm a Fan of eurydice permalink

To quote Leonard Cohen:

"I stepped into an avalanche,

It covered up my soul..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 02/21/2008
- baghdadjoe See Profile I'm a Fan of baghdadjoe permalink

We can ensure that ALL Americans "matter" again by keeping Hillary Clinton off the November ballot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 02/21/2008
- Progress08 See Profile I'm a Fan of Progress08 permalink

If she doesn't beat him handily on March 4th then she needs to immediately withdraw and get on the Democratic bandwagon. Even that Jason Rae kid came out today and gave his delegates to Obama. I think he went that way because his entire state went heavily for Obama and it just makes sense. We need to get the general election under way quickly so the DNC can get money for the grassroots ground game they are planning. We need to get funds raised to put people in all 50 states and to start going door-to-door.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 02/21/2008
- maxfusion See Profile I'm a Fan of maxfusion permalink

In Scotland they've name a dish named after her thighness, it's called haggis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 02/21/2008
- clevelandtocali See Profile I'm a Fan of clevelandtocali permalink

35,000 people showed up to a venue that holds 15,000 in Dallas...at noon...on a Wednesday, to see Obama. Clinton couldn't fill a 6800 seat arena in a town that is supposed to be "her territory". In two weeks, BHO has eroded every demographic lead HRC claimed to have a hold on.

Senator Clinton, every candidate that has left the campaign gracefully has only benefited in the publics eye...we need a new Senate Majority Leader, and I think it would be a good way to reinvent your image. Ever since you entered the 2000 Senate race you have been transparently running for President, we saw this and have decided to go for a more authentic candidate. By running for Majority Leader you could have the chance to be seen as actually caring for your country instead of your own self interest.

The writings on the wall, please, for the good of the party and the country, read carefully.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 02/21/2008
- ntmessage See Profile I'm a Fan of ntmessage permalink

The media continues to repeat talking points from the Obama campaign, but I commend you for commenting on both sides, without smear one or the other.

The latest sleazy tactic from the Obama side was to equate WI as representative of OH.

This is conventional wisdom and pundits repeating Axelrod's and the Obama Campaigns Rhetoric. Even Russert fell for this. I expected Chuck Todd to continue to repeat unabashedly whatever the Obama campaign wants him to as well as ObamaWeek, Fineman and company to continue to engage in disingenuous smear campaigns in Obama"s favor. I wish I had a job where I could get all my material practically written for me!

The REAL overriding demographic was that Wisconsin like Iowa are neighboring states to Illinois, one of Obama"s home states. The Chicago, Milwaukee and even Madison have turned into a huge extraburb. All other lower slices of the data simply represent this fact. In IL, he won 65-33. In WI, he won 58-41. This is also, why comparisons to OH are incorrect. However since Axelrod"s great at manipulating the media, he has them talking about the OH demographic being the same as WI to try and peel off OH voters, hoping that people will just vote for Obama, because others like them (which they are not) did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 02/21/2008
- angelbravo See Profile I'm a Fan of angelbravo permalink

So is Ohio next to NY or is it Big Ten Country?
I believe is part of the old NW Territory but I'm not positive. One thing that is positive is the is a overwhelming demographic of Black-Americans around the Cleveland area and a great number of Universities within the state.
I believe that Obama will win Big in Ohio.
I also beleive he will be one of the greatest Presidents in our history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 02/21/2008
- ntmessage See Profile I'm a Fan of ntmessage permalink

Ohio has a unique demo like all of the states. So the Dem primary could be telling, especially which way the so-called Reagan Democrats go. I may change my mind on this state if there is a certain movement there, but we need to analyze how the vote goes and where.

Teamster"s support of Obama will help him, but not as much as one might suggest. This is true with many endorsements unfortunately. Another observation that may or may not be material to the elections is that the Teamsters constituents actually benefit from Nafta by the expanded shipping routes. Kind of weird looks like the teamsteres are trying to hedge their bets. It is unclear how well the Nafta issue will play for Obama in OH.

At the same time, Democrats in the coal industry will likely be concerned by the Obama alternative energy plans. In the general the coal industry and Pubs in OH will be a formidable foe for Obama.

The biggest potentail issue however is that OH has been hit hard by the sub prime mess. If the media allows Clinton to make this about the economy, she will win Ohio. She beats Obama on the economy and in OH more so since, she is proposing a freeze on interest rates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 02/21/2008
- standforpeace See Profile I'm a Fan of standforpeace permalink

Then why didn't Clinton win Connecticut? Last time I was there it was right next to New York and much of the state could easily be regarded as a suburb of NYC.

You sound like all of the other Clinton excuse makers on Huff.

1. Discount any states with many Black voters because they are not entitled to help pick the candidate. Their only legitimate role is to record high turnout in November in support of the nominee picked by real Democrats.

2. Discount any states with caucuses because real Americans are all at work when those caucuses occur (Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays, Sundays, etc).

3. Discount Illinois and now any states that border it because that's Barack Obama's home ground (Never mind that just about the only place that Hillary has done well outside of California is in her own Northeastern backyard while Obama has succeeded all over the country). Oh yeah, forget what I said about discounting all of the states that are close to Illinois. I meant all of the states except Michigan. That one should definitely count. Cause our candidate beat the hell out of someone named "uncommitted" in Michigan.

4. Discount Hawaii. Another of Obama's homestates. And isn't that close to Alaska too? And no I don't need to explain why Illinois shouldn't be considered to be a loss by Hillary in one of her homestates.

5. Breaking news. We may need to discount Texas as well. Who knew that they had such f**k'd up rules for the distribution of delegates across the state? And damn those black voters for turning out in such high numbers in the past elections anyway.


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 02/21/2008
- ntmessage See Profile I'm a Fan of ntmessage permalink

Each state has a unique model and you prove my point. The best empirical evidence as to why Obama won there is that a big movement to get voters registered by MoveOn and Kos in the last election especially in the New Haven and Hartford areas against Lieberman voted for Obama and not Hillary. However, just like the primary that the Dems defeated Lieberman, in the general he won as a conservative independent.

So a two-fer demonstrates how Obama won in CT in the primary and why CT (along with another bordering state NJ) likely become swing states in the general. Hillary wins those states hands down in the general.

Analyzing data is not the same as making excuses or discounting any progress that of the campaign achieve. Your

I am not discounting anything so do not characterize it as such. You didn"t get many of those comments or conclusions from this post or me. Also, I do not wish to be a buzz kill. Axelrod"s strategy began with a cold hard look at the data took a lot of the emotion out of that part of the process, and it benefited the Obama Campaign.

As I have said in the past, the previous elections spread plus the difference of the new voters in the Red states need to get within 5% to put them in play. This statement does not mean that those states do not matter. We need to try to pick up congressional and local seats, so the 50 state strategy, as I have said all along matters. This may be different that you heard from the campaigns, but I am writing this. No one is speaking for me and I do not carry anyone"s water. I do not get intimidated by either side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 02/21/2008
- ntmessage See Profile I'm a Fan of ntmessage permalink

Wow! I must have touched a nerve! Thanks for all the feedback!

I will try to resspond to as many of the posts I can.

1. The point is that WI is more like IL from a voter perspective. The Obama campaign says that WI is indicative of OH. Never said this was a deriment for Barack. Clearly I am saying this a good thing for Obama.

2. The southern part of WI and northern Chicago suburbs have merged into bedroom communities. Years ago, this area was still very rural.

3. The media simply repeated the Obama campaign rhetoric that Clinton is losing certain demographics that are her base. It may be true but the WI result does not conclude that since the split of the voters demographic look amazingly like IL.

4. I was commending Axelrod that he has such control over the media and the Obama message. What was sleazy is that he knows what I just stated about the true demographic is correct. He spun the media to say something else.

5. I have posted in another section in my predictions on the electoral college that WI will now likely go to Obama in the general because of the increase in new democratic voters, not the Independents. This is a change and the first swing state that I see him getting thus far. I still predict that if Obama gets to the general, WI independents will go with McCain but Obama still takes WI. It was a swing state in the past. He also takes MO, maybe flips KS and takes IA. Unless the FL and MI stuff is fixed, he will lose those states, including PA and put NJ in play.

To characterise comments that attempt to get at the truth as something to do with Hillary, which it does not; or that this is a rant, clearly you have not see other posts; or that this is an overreation to something is kind of funny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 02/21/2008
- DRPike See Profile I'm a Fan of DRPike permalink

Well, you can always read Krugman

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 02/21/2008
- LeftLeanWing See Profile I'm a Fan of LeftLeanWing permalink

ntmessage -

what in the Hell are you ranting about. How can comparing demographically, WI with OH by an Obama surrogate b ecalled sleazy ?


I am puzzled by your over reaction ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 02/21/2008
- davg See Profile I'm a Fan of davg permalink

Don't be puzzled. Clinton's campaign is imploding and that's got to hurt her supporters. How would you feel if the tables were turned?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 02/21/2008
- iPolitics See Profile I'm a Fan of iPolitics permalink

Hillary flip flops within the SAME debate this campaign:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggO5yY7RAo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 02/21/2008
- ACunningham See Profile I'm a Fan of ACunningham permalink



"In a reflection of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's financial situation, the onetime Democratic front-runner reported $2.5 million in unpaid bills as of Jan. 31. She lent her campaign $5 million in January. According to her filing, she would PAY HERSELF 1.26% INTEREST if she collected on the debt by tapping her donors."

(LATimes)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 02/21/2008
- angelbravo See Profile I'm a Fan of angelbravo permalink

I don't like this guy. But I have read the stories and if her Financial Reports verify this there should a public outcry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 02/21/2008
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