Stocks End Lower Amid Weak Economic Data

JOE BEL BRUNO | February 21, 2008 11:18 PM EST | AP

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NEW YORK — The stock market finished with a sharp loss Thursday after bleak readings on the economy heightened investors' fears of recession. The Dow Jones industrial average fell more than 140 points.

Wall Street was disappointed when the Philadelphia Federal Reserve reported that regional manufacturing fell more than predicted. Another piece of bad news was the Conference Board's January index of leading economic indicators, which posted its fourth straight drop.

Investors have already been pricing in another interest rate cut _ perhaps up to half a percentage point _ after minutes from the Federal Reserve's last policy-setting meeting indicated central bankers will remain vigilant about the economy. The Fed, which meets again March 18, has forecast slower growth and continued risks to the economy from housing and credit markets.

Though investors been assured by the central bank that it will lower rates again if necessary, that expectation has not been enough to galvanize their confidence in the stock market and the economy. Wall Street remains concerned that the economy could be so weak that rate cuts, which take months to work their way through the economy, won't prevent further deterioration.

"The Fed cutting rates is a little bit like a fire engine pulling up to your house," said Brian Gendreau, investment strategist for ING Investment Management. "You're happy help has arrived, but still, your house is burning down."

The Dow fell 142.96, or 1.15 percent, to 12,284.30.

The biggest loser among the 30 Dow components was General Motors Corp. after lender GMAC LLC, which is part-owned by GM, said it will slash hundreds of jobs at its auto finance business. GM fell $1.24, or 4.9 percent, to $24.30.

Broader indexes also declined. The Standard & Poor's 500 index shed 17.50, or 1.29 percent, to 1,342.53, while the Nasdaq composite index fell 27.32, or 1.17 percent, to 2,299.78.

"What you're seeing is a tug of war out there," said Arthur Hogan, chief market analyst at Jefferies & Co. "There are those that believe we're in a recession and earnings will move lower, and others that feel we're working on a bottom. That can change the direction of stocks minute-by-minute."

Bond prices moved sharply higher on expectations of a rate reduction. The yield on the 10-year Treasury note, which moves opposite its price, fell to 3.77 percent from 3.89 percent late Wednesday.

Light, sweet crude for April delivery dropped $1.47 to settle at $98.23 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange, after the government reported that U.S. crude oil inventories increased by more than expected last week. Crude had reached a new record above $101 in overnight trading.

Gold jumped to a record high above $950 an ounce on Thursday, while the dollar dipped slightly against most major currencies.

In corporate news, there was further evidence that the global credit crisis is far from over. French bank Societe Generale SA said a trading scandal and write-downs linked to the crisis led to a loss in the fourth quarter. The bank lost $4.91 billion, compared with a $1.73 billion profit during the same period of 2006.

MBIA Inc. fell 28 cents, or 2.3 percent, to $11.90 after activist shareholder William Ackman's late Wednesday opposed a plan that struggling bond insurers be split into two companies. The company said Ackman, a hedge fund manager, stood to benefit from negative bets on the stock.

Many companies outside the financial sector are showing resilience. BlackBerry maker Research In Motion Ltd. raised its outlook for fourth-quarter subscriber additions by about 15 percent to 20 percent, citing the popularity of smartphones in the holiday selling season. The stock surged $8.78, or 9 percent, to $106.69.

But there is a great deal of uncertainty about U.S. consumers _ the main drivers of the economy.

Safeway Inc. posted a slight decline in fourth-quarter profit that was in line with analyst expectations. But worries about a recent sales slowdown accelerating as shoppers battle a weakening economy and high food prices drove the grocery store operator's shares down $2.28, or 7.1 percent, to $29.66.

The Labor Department reported that the number of U.S. workers filing new claims for unemployment benefits fell last week. However, claims lasting more than one week rose, suggesting idled workers are staying unemployed longer.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies fell 13.74, or 1.94 percent, to 696.28.

Declining issues led advancers by nearly 3 to 1 on the New York Stock Exchange, where volume came to a relatively low 1.42 billion shares.

Overseas, Japan's Nikkei stock average closed up 2.84 percent. Britain's FTSE 100 added 0.65 percent, Germany's DAX index rose 0.07 percent, and France's CAC-40 rose 0.96 percent.

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- CanCar See Profile I'm a Fan of CanCar permalink

Wall Street remains concerned that the economy could be so weak that rate cuts, which take months to work their way through the economy, won't prevent further deterioration. nasdaqipo.net

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 02/26/2008
- MIKEBC See Profile I'm a Fan of MIKEBC permalink

IS THE FDIC STILL OK, SHOULD I TAKE OUT $10,000 IN CASH FROM SAVINGS NOW AND HIDE IT IN THE HOUSE OR IN A HOLE IN THE BACKYARD SO I CAN HAVE SOME SPENDING MONEY FOR GOP DEPRESSION #2 ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 02/22/2008
- WIpatriot See Profile I'm a Fan of WIpatriot permalink

Mike, here's a hint: Tomorrow, dollar bills are not going to be worth what they are today, which is less than they were yesterday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 02/22/2008
- Bobleblah1 See Profile I'm a Fan of Bobleblah1 permalink


VERY DISTURBING NEWS: READ THIS ARTICLE NOW, SO YOU ARE IN THE KNOW.
http://www.star-telegram.com/dallas_news/story/486413.html

UNIMAGINABLE: IS THERE MORE TO THIS STORY?????????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 AM on 02/22/2008
- themodernleader See Profile I'm a Fan of themodernleader permalink

To reenforce what you have written about the economic situation, we have trillions of dollars in real estate debt. This debt is the same whether the property is valued at one million dollars or 500,000 dollars. A declining market in real estate is a disaster whenin the contest of the huge debt, both private and public, our country possesses.
The market has been in a bear mode since November. It will go up and down. Each time it will have lower highs and lower lows.
The Feds and some foreign money have retarded the violent crashes as in 1929 or 1987. However, we should expect periods of sustained 200 point down days. And it is safe to assume that without foreign buying and ownership, we will see the Dow at 30-35% of its high vlaue in 2007. If the market only devaluates 30%, it will still be worth only 30 percent of its former value because of the crashing of the American currency.
Additionally, many organizations, public and private are going bankrupt. The unemployment will be staggering.
Unquestionably the gravest danger to the continuation of our Republic is immediately before us. It is a truism that democracy is no better or yearned for than any other form of governance when it sustains failure over an extended period. Our democracy has been failing since 1980 by my reckening. Only extraordinary leadership will save our Republic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 02/22/2008
- mrcontinental See Profile I'm a Fan of mrcontinental permalink

Sounds about right tml.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 02/22/2008
- GnitenGoodLk See Profile I'm a Fan of GnitenGoodLk permalink

Our 401(k) made $17.55 last month. Time to pull it out?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 02/22/2008
- Tom95134 See Profile I'm a Fan of Tom95134 permalink

And just where in hell are you going to put the money, under your bed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 02/22/2008
- GnitenGoodLk See Profile I'm a Fan of GnitenGoodLk permalink

Money market fund, until things calm down, if they won't do it, I pull it out and put it under my bed, or a big coffee can. The tax/penalty can be averted for hardship, I can prove hardship. ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 02/22/2008
- Justinpassing See Profile I'm a Fan of Justinpassing permalink

If indeed, the value of the US dollar is pegged to the value of Saudi oil, then our declining economy and declining dollar value puts a double drag on the Saudis. We are all trying to conserve on gas use and that makes them want to increase price to offset. Our dollar is falling in value IN SPITE of the fact that oil is at an all time high points up just how fragile and precarious our economy truly is, and they are inextricably linked to it through their ol' buddy Georgie boy and his fop-sweat economic prowess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 02/21/2008
- mrcontinental See Profile I'm a Fan of mrcontinental permalink

From Frank Sanders, quite a character and a precious metals bug.

If you have $5,000 or less to spend put half in US 90% silver coin, and half in British Sovereigns, French 20 Francs, or 1/4 oz. American Eagles. (All references to "ounces" below mean troy ounces of 480 grains or 31.1034 grams).

For $10,000 buy two-thirds US 90% silver coin, and the balance in British Sovereigns, French 20 Francs, or 1/4 oz. American Eagles.

For $25,000 buy 3 bags of US 90% silver coin, $2,000 worth of Sovereigns, French 20 Francs, or 1/4 oz. American Eagles, and the balance in one oz. Krugerrands, Austrian 100 Coronas, Mexican 50 Pesos, or American Eagles.

For $75,000 buy 10 bags of US 90% silver, $5,000 worth of Sovereigns, 20 Francs, or 1/4 Eagles, $5,000 worth of platinum Nobles, and the balance in Krugerrands, American Eagles or 100 Coronas. For over $75,000 simply do multiples of this portfolio.

Checkout the links below for his rationale behind his picks and the precious metals market in general. Keep in mind our main objective is not to lose networth. If you had jumped back early last year when gold was in the low $600 and silver was in the 10 dollar range you would have a bigger smile on your face now. It still may not be to late to retain some hedging against inflation. Most are predicting gold to go to at least $1200 which is possible and the truly optimistic see silver at $50 oz. But you hang in the metals until the market crashes are makes it's "correction" and then liquidate some metal and get back in. Good luck with your research.

http://the-moneychanger.com/entry.phtml

http://goldprice.org/silver-and-gold-prices/index.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 02/21/2008
- WIpatriot See Profile I'm a Fan of WIpatriot permalink

Thank you, sir, for those links.

I got a good chuckle comparing the portfolio recommendation to my holdings...very close. I almost feel vindicated, as it were. I've been moving up on silver lately and as it turns out, that is bringing my folio into balance per recommendation. Wish I would have been able to move on platinum when we first started talking about it, though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 AM on 02/22/2008
- mrcontinental See Profile I'm a Fan of mrcontinental permalink

We are not all knowing patriot. Plus platinum scares me a little. It's been successfully counterfeited to often for my taste.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 02/22/2008
- Eoin45 See Profile I'm a Fan of Eoin45 permalink

Where the hell is PaJeff to tell us everything's alright and we're all just delusional Democrats?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 02/21/2008
- mrcontinental See Profile I'm a Fan of mrcontinental permalink

The coward hasn't shown up anywhere on HuffPo since the crisis began. Pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 02/21/2008
- ErnestineBass See Profile I'm a Fan of ErnestineBass permalink

He tried to commit suicide by jumping out of his basement window...?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 02/21/2008
- realitytrumpsbull See Profile I'm a Fan of realitytrumpsbull permalink

Whaaaat?!!?!? They're kicking over the global roulette table?!?!?! We're out of business!?!?! SONOFA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 02/21/2008
- mrcontinental See Profile I'm a Fan of mrcontinental permalink

The reports have nothing to do with it. The big money folks are quietly exiting the market and have been now since late October. The swings have been much to large and frequent for NORMAL trading. Heck they had a 700 point intraday swing a few weeks back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 02/21/2008
- joebaggadonuts See Profile I'm a Fan of joebaggadonuts permalink

OK, I buy that. Could you speculate on when they will jump back in? How low do you think it will have to go or what earmarks are they looking for on the tape, or off it, that will lead them to jump back in to buy stocks again? OR will they stay out and get into some other markets permanently?

I think you have a track record now and would like to know what you think.

Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 02/21/2008
- mrcontinental See Profile I'm a Fan of mrcontinental permalink

This current situation is unprecedented because there appears to be no saftey in stocks or bonds. Buffett is trying to rescue muni bonds which will cut any depression at least in half and save a lot of citizens and cities from ruin but who knows.

China, Russia, India, and all of the middle east have been hoarding gold for the last few years as a hedge so there is no way on earth that it will ever be worth nothing. So what you have is 1929 all over again, first the crash, then those with money left swooping in to buy penny stocks which should set you for the next few decade or so.

But the economy is truly global now. China, India, Russia, and Latin America are growing economies and precious metal will give you the flexibility to purchase stocks in any currency without exchange rates. But you have to have some networth to participate. Whatever comes the dollar will suffer big time and metals will allow you to retain value globally.

And most of the big money players are putting their money in Asia. There is no guarantee that Wall Street will be bankers to the world every again after the ill named "sub-prime" meltdown comes to a conclusion. NO ONE will trust us again. And when the dollar is dumped as the worlds reserve currency it's game over man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 02/21/2008
- mmckinl See Profile I'm a Fan of mmckinl permalink

or buying shorts, and taking profits sending the market up briefly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 02/21/2008
- mrcontinental See Profile I'm a Fan of mrcontinental permalink

A lot of the fools are doing that but no enough to account for the 100-300 point swings that we have been seeing so much of lately IMHO. The 1 percenters are selling their stocks and going precious metals and commodities. You can see it and feel it. All four metals are making record gains and it's not Joe Sixpack who's doing the buying. He's still hanging on to his 401(k) and praying to god every night for a HUGE rally, which isn't coming.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 02/21/2008
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