In this undated photo released by the Turkish Military on Friday, Feb. 22, 2008, a Turkish commando uses a land mine detector during an operation in an undisclosed location on the Turkish-Iraqi border. southeastern Turkey. Turkish troops launched a ground incursion across the border into Iraq in pursuit of separatist Kurdish rebels, the military said Friday, a move that dramatically escalates Turkey's conflict with the militants. (AP Photo/Turkish Military, HO)

Turkish Troops Enter Iraq Seeking Rebels

SELCAN HACAOGLU and CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA | February 22, 2008 05:22 PM EST | AP

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CIZRE, Turkey — Supported by air power, Turkish troops crossed into northern Iraq on Friday in their first major ground incursion against Kurdish rebel bases in nearly a decade. But Turkey sought to avoid confrontation with U.S.-backed Iraq, saying the guerrillas were its only target.

The offensive, which started late Thursday after aircraft and artillery blasted suspected rebel targets, marked a dramatic escalation in Turkey's fight with the PKK rebel group even though Turkish officials described the operation as limited.

A military officer of the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq said on condition of anonymity that several hundred Turkish soldiers had crossed the border. The coalition has satellites as well as drones and other surveillance aircraft at its disposal.

Sky-Turk television said about 2,000 Turkish soldiers were in Iraq, operating against rebel camps about two miles in from the border. NTV television said a total of 10,000 soldiers were inside Iraq in an operation that had extended six miles past the frontier. The activity was reportedly occurring about 60 miles east of Cizre, a major town near the border with Iraq.

It was not possible to independently confirm the size or scope of the attack on the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which is considered a terrorist group by the United States and European Union. CNN-Turk television, citing Turkish security officials, said the operation could last two weeks.

Late in the day, the Turkish military said five of its soldiers and 24 rebels had died in a clash inside Iraq and estimated at least 20 more rebels were killed by artillery and helicopter gunships. It said sporadic fighting was continuing.

Earlier, PKK spokesman Ahmad Danas said two Turkish soldiers were killed and eight wounded in clashes along the 240-mile border, but said nothing about rebel casualties. There was no way to confirm either report independently.

The advance was the first confirmed Turkish military ground operation in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein in 2003. Turkey's army is believed to have carried out unacknowledged "hot pursuits" in recent years, with small groups of troops staying in Iraq for as little as a few hours or a day.

Turkey staged about two-dozen attacks in Iraq during the rule of Saddam, who conducted brutal campaigns against Iraqi Kurds. Some Turkish offensives, including several in the late 1990s, involved tens of thousands of soldiers. Results were mixed, however, with rebels suffering combat losses but regrouping after Turkish forces withdrew.

The PKK militants are fighting for autonomy in predominantly Kurdish southeastern Turkey and have carried out attacks on Turkish targets from bases in the semiautonomous Kurdish region of northern Iraq. The conflict started in 1984 and has claimed as many as 40,000 lives.

Turkey's government has complained that Iraqi and U.S. authorities weren't doing enough to stop guerrilla operations. The Turkish air force has been staging air raids on PKK forces in the north since December with the help of intelligence provided by the U.S., a NATO ally.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that he called his Iraqi counterpart, Nouri al-Maliki, on Thursday night to give him advance warning of the operation. Erdogan said he later briefed President Bush in a telephone call.

"The Turkish armed forces will return after they finish their job," Erdogan said in a televised speech. "The goal of the operation and of operations that will be conducted is just, and only, PKK camps located in the north of Iraq."

Confirming the advance notice, White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said the Bush administration was urging Turkey to show restraint.

"We were notified and we urged the Turkish government to limit their operations to precise targeting of the PKK _ to limit the scope and duration of their operations _ and we urged them to work, directly, with Iraqis, including Kurdish government officials, on how best to address the threat," Stanzel told reporters.

Turkey's president, Abdullah Gul, issued a statement saying the military would be careful in attacking the guerrillas in tough terrain and weather. "Utmost care is being taken so that innocent civilians living in the region are not negatively affected," he added.

Nihat Ali Ozcan, a terrorism expert with at the TEPAV research center in Ankara, said the operation was likely launched to hit at guerrillas before the traditional start of the fighting season in the spring.

"I think it is aimed to keep the PKK under pressure before the group starts entering Turkey," he said on CNN-Turk television.

The operation was reportedly concentrated in the Hakurk region, south of the Turkish border town of Cukurca.

The Turkish military posted photographs on its Web site that it said were images of the operation. In one photograph, five soldiers in white suits walk up a snowy hill in the dark. Others show a soldier walking with a land mine detector and three military helicopters on the ground.

Matthew Bryza, U.S. deputy assistant secretary of state for southeastern Europe, said Bush promised Turkey's prime minister at a Nov. 5 meeting that Washington would share intelligence on the PKK.

"The land operation is a whole new level," Bryza said in Belgium. "What I can say is that what we've been doing until now has been working quite well."

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon expressed concern about the escalation. He said he recognized Turkey's need for security, but appealed to Turkey and Iraq to work together to promote peace.

"The protection of civilian life on both sides of the border remains the paramount concern," Ban said, repeating calls for the PKK guerrillas to end their attacks inside Turkey.

The European Commission, the administrative body of the European Union, appealed to Turkey to act with restraint.

"Turkey should refrain from taking any disproportionate military action and respect human rights and the rule of law," commission spokeswoman Krisztina Nagy said.

"The EU understands Turkey's need to protect its population from terrorism," she added. "We encourage Turkey to continue to pursue dialogue with international partners."

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Associated Press writers Selcan Hacaoglu reported this story from Cizre and Christopher Torchia from Istanbul.


 
 

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- Marichu See Profile I'm a Fan of Marichu permalink

Conflicts among ethnic groups tend to have a historical/geographical claim to territory. The Kurds have lived in that area for over 2000 years living in the adjacent regions in Iran, Iraq, Turkey, and Syria.

Woodrow Wilson promised the Kurds a sovereign state. The formation of a Kurdish state was supposed to have been accomplished through the Treaty of Sevres in 1920, which said that the Kurds could have an independent state if they wanted one.

With the formation of Turkey in 1923, the new treaty was thrown out and the Kurds were denied their own state. This was the beginning of the Turkish-Kurdish conflict.

The PKK's goal was to incite a revolution that would free the Kurdish people and establish an independent Kurdish state. The group was violently opposed to the Turkish government, believing that a Kurdish state could only be established if the Turkish government was defeated.

Turkey has consistently opposed the creation of an independent Kurdish state in Iraq Kurdistan. Turkey"s primary concern is that Mosul and the oil-rich city of Kirkuk are not ceded to a new Kurdistan.

Turkey feels it has justification in eradicating the PKK since it is classified as a terrorist organization. If it does achieve its goal, it still leaves the problem of the Kurds and their quest for a homeland.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 02/23/2008
- TimN See Profile I'm a Fan of TimN permalink

The U.S. is okay with it, the Iraqi government is okay with it, even the EU is okay with it.

I say go ahead Turkey. Kick some terrorist ass.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 02/22/2008
- amanda85 See Profile I'm a Fan of amanda85 permalink

Tim-the-fascist's idea of a "turrist": anyone who's not a white, christian dittohead...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 02/22/2008
- TimN See Profile I'm a Fan of TimN permalink

Just two days ago I clearly regarded the white, christian Serbs as terrorists*, and you even replied to me on that thread. Do you not recall? Are you on drugs? Are you high right now?

*see Belgrade's US Embassy Set on Fire
"As far as I'm concerned they're all terrorists" posted by TimN 02/21/2008 at 20:33:14

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 02/23/2008
- EspritDeVoltaire See Profile I'm a Fan of EspritDeVoltaire permalink

The PKK is officially recognized as a terrorist organization by NATO and the US, yet Bush has done NOTHING to stop the PKK in the last 6 years. It is responsible for tens of thousands of dead Turks. A good analogy would be a gang of Mexicans making cross border raids into Texas to reclaim the territory lost by Santa Ana.

What action would you favor if you were in the Turks situation? Would you wait for further inaction from an outside occupation force while your citizens are being killed daily by terrorists crossing your border or would you take the same action as the Turks, if US lives were being lost in Texas?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 02/22/2008
- amanda85 See Profile I'm a Fan of amanda85 permalink

"The PKK is officially recognized as a terrorist organization by NATO and the US"

The US is officially recognized as the biggest threat to peace by the vast majority of people on this planet.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5077984.stm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 02/23/2008
- ArchAngel See Profile I'm a Fan of ArchAngel permalink

Hmmm, what a surprise! They are driving American M-60 A1 tanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 02/22/2008
- timothe See Profile I'm a Fan of timothe permalink

You guys are all misreading the conflict to be Kurds vs Turks. It's not. It's the Turkish government vs the PKK, a vigilante group that has been terrorizing Turkey for some time. The PKK is NOT representative of the Kurdish population.

Since the Iraqi military in the region has so far proven to be incapable of stopping the PKK, the Turks now feel compelled to do it themselves.

This story is really nothing more than a border skirmish...kinda like the wars between the gangs and police in any major city.

Some of you are making mountains out of molehills.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 02/22/2008
- GrouchoMarxist See Profile I'm a Fan of GrouchoMarxist permalink

Right. Swallow everything they tell you and eat all your veggies like a good boy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 02/22/2008
- timothe See Profile I'm a Fan of timothe permalink

My Religion is Wikipeidism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKK

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 02/22/2008
- timothe See Profile I'm a Fan of timothe permalink

Right...and you continue to blindly follow your ideology even when the facts don't support it.

Religion: Faith in something or someone without actual proof.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 02/22/2008
- Troubledwawa See Profile I'm a Fan of Troubledwawa permalink

Bush 43 allowing the Turks to attack the Kurds is strangely reminesent of Bush 41 allowing Saddam's helicopters to fly in the "No Fly Zone" to attack the Kurds.

Allowing a foreign power to attack a people that this country was responsible for protecting was unthinkable in US history, until those two twits.

What could the Kurds have possibly done to the Bush family to even come close to being treated like that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 02/22/2008
- GrouchoMarxist See Profile I'm a Fan of GrouchoMarxist permalink

Are we going to set up a no-fly zone to protect the Kurds from the Turks?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 02/22/2008
- Troubledwawa See Profile I'm a Fan of Troubledwawa permalink

Not that I'm aware of. Wouldn't last too long anyway with Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 02/22/2008
- lvogt See Profile I'm a Fan of lvogt permalink

Why has the U.S. been sanctioning incursions into Iraq's now sovereign territory? "Hey guys, you want to kill some Iraqis? The Kurds are the only group that has been on our side since we invaded so OK by us. We're in charge here, protecting this "democracy" so go ahead and kill 'em."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 02/22/2008
- YellerDawg See Profile I'm a Fan of YellerDawg permalink

What would Obama do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 02/22/2008
- amanda85 See Profile I'm a Fan of amanda85 permalink

"Why has the U.S. been sanctioning incursions into Iraq's now sovereign territory?"

Outsourcing murder?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 02/22/2008
- A Meat Beetle See Profile I'm a Fan of A Meat Beetle permalink

This is all the Kurds' fault. They shouldn't have located their homeland on top of Cheney's oil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 02/22/2008
- Tabasco See Profile I'm a Fan of Tabasco permalink

Now that Canada has discovered they have the largest (heavy) oil fields on earth (same as Venezuela's type), it will be interesting to see how those nefarious, mamby-pamby-frenchie northerners handle the news that they are hiding newkewler weapons and unshowered terrists right at our doorstep.

Looks like all that history of neutrality was just a coverup.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 02/22/2008
- amanda85 See Profile I'm a Fan of amanda85 permalink

Tell me about it, I live south of the land border and my city will probably be the first to be invaded... My only consolation is that the neocons will probably screw up the entire operation, as seen in "Canadian Bacon":

"Now, which one is the capital, Toronto or Ottawa?"
"Toronto, ye dummy!! Go left!!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 02/22/2008
- GrouchoMarxist See Profile I'm a Fan of GrouchoMarxist permalink

Heh. Good point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 02/22/2008
- GrouchoMarxist See Profile I'm a Fan of GrouchoMarxist permalink

What are we going to do if the Turks use gas?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 02/22/2008
- cdnnewsjunky See Profile I'm a Fan of cdnnewsjunky permalink

That all depends on who supplied the gas!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 02/22/2008
- Stellartsjay See Profile I'm a Fan of Stellartsjay permalink

Anybody who didn't see this one coming simply wasn't paying attention. The actions of the United States, encouraging independence movements within those sections of the old lines of Kurdistan that go across Iran, while discouraging the same movement when it took action withn those sections of old Kurdistan that go into Turkey, were bound to blow up over time. Add that to the double dealing game the U.S. has been playing with the Kurds since the Ford years, and you've got a holy mess on your hands. Oh yes. The fun is only beginning. Just spiffy, the whole arrangement. And check it out. Less than twenty years after the collapse of stalinism, which allegedly marked the end of history, the old conflicts that existed in the Balkan region are now once again enflamed under the world guidance of benign imperialism. Surprised? You oughtn't be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 02/22/2008
- GrouchoMarxist See Profile I'm a Fan of GrouchoMarxist permalink

Whose side are we on again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 02/22/2008
- cdnnewsjunky See Profile I'm a Fan of cdnnewsjunky permalink

That is most likely the same question many Kurds are asking right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 02/22/2008
- stanblack See Profile I'm a Fan of stanblack permalink

Our side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 02/22/2008
- SatinPanties See Profile I'm a Fan of SatinPanties permalink

Oil's Side

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 02/22/2008
- Dervish105 See Profile I'm a Fan of Dervish105 permalink

The Kurds are TOO independent and TOO successful, including making their own oil arrangements outside of the Iraqi government -- it wouldn't surprise me at all if the US encourages Turkey behind the scenes in order to destabilize the Kurds. "The Kurds have no friends..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 02/22/2008
- GrouchoMarxist See Profile I'm a Fan of GrouchoMarxist permalink

I don't see what all the upset is. The Turks are just following the Bush Doctrine of preemptive invasion to go after turrists. We certainly provided them with the precedent.

Heckuva job, Shrub.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 02/22/2008
- shriek See Profile I'm a Fan of shriek permalink

Great. Now we're attacking tourists. Shit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 02/22/2008
- research See Profile I'm a Fan of research permalink

And the USA betrays the Kurds once again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 02/22/2008
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