Family members cry during a funeral service for three pro-government village guards, killed in fighting against Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq on Sunday, in Cukurca in Hakkari province at the Turkey-Iraq border, Monday, Feb. 25, 2008, Turkish F-16 fighters and helicopters continue to fly into northern Iraq as elite commandos shake Kurdish rebels in a major ground operation across the border that has drawn criticism from the U.S.-backed-Iraqi government and Iraqi Kurdish leaders.(AP Photo/Burhan Ozbilici)

Turkish Military Kills 41 Kurdish Rebels

February 25, 2008 05:04 PM EST | AP

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CUKURCA, Turkey — Turkey's military said Monday it had killed 41 more separatist Kurdish rebels in clashes in northern Iraq, raising the reported guerrilla death toll in a cross-border operation to 153.

A statement posted on the military's Web site also said two more soldiers were killed in fighting, but gave no details. The deaths would drive the total Turkish military fatalities since the start of the incursion Thursday to 17. It said the military had hit some 30 targets of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, in the last 24 hours.

Rebels disputed the claim of the number of fighters killed and warned that Turkey had entered a conflict that it could not win.

Turkey said its troops fired dozens of salvos of artillery shells at suspected rebel hideouts Monday and clashed with the rebels in four parts of northern Iraq. It did not specify the locations. It said troops were destroying rebel shelters, logistic centers and ammunition. Retreating rebels were setting booby traps under the corpses of dead comrades or planting mines on escape routes, the military said.

The sound of artillery fire could be heard in the border town of Cukurca. Several military bases that support Turkey's ground incursion into northern Iraq are on its outskirts, and artillery units have been positioned on hilltops overlooking Iraq.

Turkey began the operation to curb the rebels' ability to attack Turkish targets from hideouts on the Iraqi side of the border. It is the first confirmed Turkish military ground operation in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein in 2003.

PKK rebels are fighting for autonomy in predominantly Kurdish southeastern Turkey and have carried out attacks in Turkey from bases in the semiautonomous Kurdish region of northern Iraq. The conflict started in 1984 and has killed up to 40,000 people.

The rebels said Turkey could not win.

"They have stepped into a quagmire, they are trying to set themselves free," Firat, a pro-Kurdish news agency, quoted PKK commander Bahoz Erdal as saying.

Havaw Ruaj, a PKK spokesman, said four PKK fighters were killed and eight others wounded in the cross-border fighting. Firat carried a rebel claim that 81 Turkish soldiers had died.

Turkey has assured Iraq that the operation would be limited to attacks on rebels. The U.S. and European Union consider the PKK a terrorist group.

Lt. Gen. Carter Ham, director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters in Washington that the Turks appear to be living up to their assurances the incursion would be "limited in depth and in duration."

"So far everything we've seen is consistent with that," Ham said.

On Monday, the Turkish military released video footage of what it said was the ground incursion in Iraq. Images showed a helicopter taking off, trucks with soldiers driving up a hill and troops in white camouflage apparel carrying equipment on their backs.

On Sunday, the military confirmed that a Turkish helicopter crashed in Iraq and eight military personnel were killed during a cross-border ground operation against the PKK rebels. The guerrillas said they shot down a Turkish military helicopter near the border.

Turkey's military said investigators were trying to determine the cause of the crash. It was not clear whether any of the reported casualties were on board. The military did not specify whether the eight fatalities were troops or pro-government village guards.


 
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While for Sunnis (especially Sunni)and Shiites Iraqi invasion was a disaster, Kurds benefited tremendously from it.

This is beyond debate.

But some elements in Kurdistan should not attempt to follow Kosovo example by bating a bigger neighbor to the north. NATO is not coming to bail them out.

With their luck Chechnia will be their more likely model.

Despite obvious sympathies for their Turkish brothers they need to restrain and evict PKK.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 02/25/2008

"On Monday, the Turkish military released video footage of what it said was the ground incursion in Iraq. Images showed a helicopter taking off, trucks with soldiers driving up a hill and troops in white camouflage apparel carrying equipment on their backs."

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The idea of Turkey taking care of the PKK issue in Iraq in a timely manner is pretty starting to look like facade.

Those aren't special forces this description from the article is referring to, as if one would do if they were going to hit and run.

Incursions are typically intended to invade, conquer, and possibly control a territory using a large amount of soldiers. Hence the articles description.

One has to wonder at this point who's minding the PKK in Turkey, now that the army has left the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 02/25/2008

It's as if this admin were advocating for more war, everywhere, anywhere, at the same time, so as to distract from their debacle in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 02/25/2008

Why get mad at the Turks? They are not doing anything different then what the Americans have done -- invading Iraq that is. What's good for the goose...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 02/25/2008
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So who's mad at the Turks?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 02/25/2008

This battle is just another example of President Bush spreading more freedom.

These people will be very happy to live through all the freedom they are receiving.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 02/25/2008

Maybe the Turks should recognize that they have a sizeable minority population in their country that needs recognition.

During the 1980's Turkey began a program of forced assimilation of its Kurdish population.[26] Use of the Kurdish language was outlawed and Turks began denying the existence of the Kurdish ethnic group instead calling them "mountain Turks"[citation needed]. This culminated in 1984 when the PKK began a rebellion against Turkish rule attacking Turkish military and civilian targets. The Turkish government responded with committing their own atrocities by wiping out Kurdish villages. Due to these tactics that target civilians 37,000 have died in the still ongoing conflict.

Human Rights Watch has documented many instances where the Turkish military forcibly evacuated villages, destroying houses and equipment to prevent the return of the inhabitants. An estimated 3,000 Kurdish villages in Turkey were virtually wiped from the map, representing the displacement of more than 378,000 people

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 02/25/2008

Great historical analysis!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 02/25/2008

Basta,
I am not sure that posting Wikipedia articles is such a good idea. Certainly not without a reference...sorry, all those years in grad. school.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 02/25/2008
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It is clear that the Bush war machine intends to leave 140,000 troops in Iraq regardless of the empty promise to bring them home as a result of the so-called "return on success."

John McCain must run on and defend the ongoing bloodshed and genocide now that we know his strategy is to keep our troops in Iraq for another 100 years. He must also explain to the American people why it was such a great idea to abandon the war in Afghanistan where corruption in the Hamid Karzai puppet regime installed by Bush runs through the entire government there while their ill-gotten gains from opium sales continue to arm the resurgent Taliban who control most of the country outside of Kabul.

We also know that the Republican House Minority leader, John Boehner, stated that the "investment that we"re making today will be a small price if we"re able to stop al Qaeda here, if we"re able to stabilize the Middle East..." It's irrefutable that stabilizing the entire Middle East went down the drain once Bush landed on the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln in May 2003 and declared "Major hostilities have ended in Iraq" under the banner, "Mission Accomplished."

So now, the Republicans have put all their bets on continuing the bloodshed in Iraq and Afghanistan, guaranteeing that the death toll of American military men and women, now at 4,000 with 29,000 wounded, will increase as well as the $12 billion-per-month price tag to pay for this "small sacrifice."

Regime change in the White House is long overdue. The Bush autocrat and his Republican thralls have done irreparable damage to our country and our reputation in the civilized world. It will take generations to restore our honor and our trust in the aftermath Bush's 8-year reign of terror and war.

In the meantime, John McCain's slogan should be Party On! Republicans because the spigot remain open for the no-bid contractor/profiteers like Halliburton, Exxon, Kellogg Brown & Root, Bechtel, Blackwater and others who have taken our country down the path of Hell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 02/25/2008

Turkey killed a bunch of Iraqis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 02/25/2008
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Most amazing of ALL was that every single one of them was found to be carrying an Al-Quaeda ID card somewhere on their person.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 02/25/2008

You forgot.

We know that most of the attacks in Iraq are carried out by Al-Queida because, when asked who here is a member of Al-Queida, their hand's start to go up, before they catch themselves.

BLAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 02/25/2008


Once Hilary said she would stay in Iraq to protect the Kurds, the Turks realized it was best to act and the result is the 41 dead Kurds in this news item - for starters.

Words matter Hilary. And when you violated international law by intervening in Kosovo you tore down the goalposts leaving regimes like the one in Turkey wondering if they are the next Slobodan Milosevic just because they try to protect their own citizens against separatist minorities on their soil. Your foreign policy adviser, Madeleine Albright is already suspected of playing games with Turks to benefit Israel which throws even more uncertainty on the pile.

Result: Turks attack now to ensure they will not be in a compromised position in case Hilary is elected. Notice Bush has already told Turks to go ahead with the slaughter of Kurds, the "success story" in the Iraq war which our MSM was so happy to present to us as the great benefit of invading Iraq.

Vote Obama 08


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 02/25/2008

Did you read the article, they attacked the PKK (Kurdish rebels) not the Kurdish people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 02/25/2008


Ghost in the machine,

I read the article but apparently you did not or you would have known that the Turkish army attacked "suspected" rebel hideouts.

Suspected.

Like any guerilla group, the PKK hides among the people. that is how it has survived. that is how the viet cong survived and the reason we killed so many civilians in Viet Nam.

Turkey is Serbia. The Kurds in Turkey are Kosovo and the Kurds in Kurdistan (northern Iraq) are Albania. The situation is identical. It is a problem and it will recur over and over again due to Hilary's mistake and the fact that Albright took advantage of Hilary's ignorance.

Bush isn't much better, dont get me wrong. Like Casey Stengel said of the 60's Mets, "Can anybody here play this game?".

Yes, Obama can.

Obama 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 02/25/2008

The PKK wear hats with propellors on the top to help differentiate them from the regular Kurds.

Just like we know that most of the attacks in Iraq are carried out by Al-Queida because, when asked who here is a member of Al-Queida, their hand's start to go up, before they catch themselves.

BLAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 02/25/2008

Turkey has invaded Iraq. When Saddam invaded Kuwait wasn't he asked to leave?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 02/25/2008

Luckily, having sold all its excess nerve gas to Sadam Hussein, the U.S. didn't have any left over to offer Turkey.

What a mess it would be if one of its few friends in that part of the world decided to slaughter a few hundred Kurds with WMD's. Ironic, perhaps, but a mess nevertheless.

Not that the Turks aren't doing a pretty good job with conventional arms, mind you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 02/25/2008

Yup, President Bush really sent us on a fool's errand, didn't he?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 02/25/2008

President Bush and bipartisan voters who authorized the war, ignoring all evidence and intelligence to its lack of efficacy, are guilty of a mistake in judgement. But, to accuse President Bush of intentionally causing the deaths of thousands of US and Allied civillian and military personel is non-sensical. Whether you are a registered Democrat, Independent, or Republican, it is important to base your conclusion on facts and principled thought as well as rational analysis. The PKK and the Kurds have been performing acts of terrorism with the sovereign borders of Turkey for decades, they have attacked military, civillian, and government targets in the hopes of disrupting Turkish society - they are no different than the PLO, IRA, or any other such organization. And, for the Kurdish leadership to state they are not alligned with the PKK is disingenous, it is like Sein Fein stating they are the political wing of the IRA and having nothing to do with the Provost, the military wing. Unfortunately, the battles in the mid-east have a history spanning thousands of years and will not be solved within our life times, our only logical recourse is to make certain the war remains overseas and is not brought to America again - as it was on 9-11.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 02/25/2008

I find myself wondering why people should pay any attention to your attempt at analysis when you don't even know the difference between Provo's and "Provost".

And if I were a terrorist, I'm pretty sure I'd be delighted to keep the U.S. armed forces right where they are: stuck in a meat grinder with no end in sight, racking up casualties and wearing out equipment intended to last for years in mere months.

If it ever becomes desirable to hit the U.S. again, it shouldn't be too difficult to get anything up to and including a herd of circus elephants packing nukes and big yellow radiation signs across that laughable southern border.

Finally, I would never accuse Bush of intentionally causing the deaths of "thousands of US and Allied civilian and military personnel". I doubt very much whether that half-wit frat boy has done anything intentional in the last 20 years. I would say, rather, that he was and is utterly unconcerned with such matters. I'm sure he'd prefer that they didn't die, but what the heck...oil is oil and you don't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

I notice, by the way, that you didn't see fit to comment on the death of many, many thousands of Iraqi civilians. Do they count?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 02/25/2008

Dear "Counterglow" my profound apologies on the unintentional spelling error in regards to the political wing of the IRA, thank you for the correction, as for your further commentary, I will endeavor to enhance both the scope and substance of my entries by reading yours from now on - all the best.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 02/25/2008

GOD BLESS PRESIDENT BUSH BEFOR HE LEAVES OFFICE HE WILL OF SENT 4,000.OO LPUS AMERICAN SOLDIERS TO THERE DEATH.
AND CONDEMENED OVER 27,000 PLUS U.S. SOLDIERS TO A FUTURE OF MINDLESS PAIN, LOSE OF BODY PARTS, ETC.
AND YOU MR. BUSH IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS HAVENT EVEN NEEDED A PANDDAD FOR EVEN A PAPER CUT, HOW YOU KNEW THEY WOULD NOT EVEN IMPEACH YOU FOR ALL THE DEATH AND GREED IS A SHOWING OG GOD ON YOUR SIDE.
WOULD YOU LOIKE TOREACH 5,000 BEFORE YOU LEAVE OFFICE IN 08 ?.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 02/25/2008
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Jesus H. Christ on a rubber crutch. Calm down, remove the capslock, and make friends with your spellcheck and grammarcheck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 02/25/2008
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