Afghan president Hamid Karzai, foreground left, cuts a ribbon during a ceremony to mark the opening of a new meeting hall during his visit to Jalalabad, the provincial capital of Nangarhar, east of Kabul, Afghanistan, Monday, Feb. 25, 2008. President Hamid Karzai took his ministers to eastern Afghanistan on Monday for the first of a series of mobile Cabinet meetings that will be held in a different province each month. (AP Photo/Ramat Gul)

Karzai Only Controls 1/3 of Afghanistan

PAMELA HESS | February 27, 2008 11:06 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — More than six years after the U.S. invaded to establish a stable central regime in Afghanistan, the Kabul government under President Hamid Karzai controls just 30 percent of the country, the top U.S. intelligence official said Wednesday.

National Intelligence Director Michael McConnell told the Senate Armed Services Committee that the resurgent Taliban controls 10 percent to 11 percent of the country and Karzai's government controls 30 percent to 31 percent. The majority of Afghanistan's population and territory remains under local tribal control, he said.

Underscoring the problems facing the Kabul government, a roadside bomb in Paktika province killed two Polish soldiers who are part of the NATO force in the country and opium worth $400 million was seized in the southern part of Afghanistan. That brought the number of foreign troops killed in Afghanistan to 21 this year, according to an Associated Press tally.

In 2007, insurgency-related violence killed more than 6,500 people, including 222 foreign troops. Last year was the deadliest yet since the U.S.-led invasion in 2001.

Officials estimate that up to 40 percent of proceeds from Afghanistan's drug trade _ an amount worth tens of millions of dollars _ is used to fund the insurgency.

Lt. Gen. Michael Maples, the Defense Intelligence Agency director, told the committee at the same hearing that the Pakistan government is trying to crack down on the lawless tribal area along the Afghan border area where Taliban and al-Qaida are believed to be training, and from which they launch attacks in Afghanistan. But neither the Pakistani military nor the tribal Frontier Corps is trained or equipped to fight, he said.

Maples said it would take three to five years to address those deficiencies and see a difference in their ability to fight effectively in the tribal areas.

"Pakistani military operations in the (region) have not fundamentally damaged al-Qaida's position. ... The tribal areas remain largely ungovernable and, as such, they will continue to provide vital sanctuary to al-Qaida, the Taliban and regional extremism more broadly," Maples said.

Under questioning from committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich., Maples also said he considers the harsh interrogation technique known as waterboarding to be inhumane. That would put it outside the bounds of U.S. law, which since late 2005 has prohibited cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment of detainees.

The Bush administration has refused to rule on whether waterboarding is torture. Waterboarding involves strapping a person down and pouring water over his or her cloth-covered face to create the sensation of drowning. It has been traced back hundreds of years to the Spanish Inquisition, and is condemned by nations around the world.

Waterboarding remains among the interrogation methods potentially available to the CIA but its use must be approved on a case-by-case basis by the attorney general and the president.

The U.S. military specifically prohibited waterboarding in 2006. Maples said the 19 other interrogation techniques allowed under military rules are effective.

"We have recently confirmed that with those who are using those tools on operations," Maples said.

Earlier this month, Congress approved a bill that would limit the CIA to the military's interrogation techniques. The White House has threatened to veto that measure.

CIA Director Michael Hayden said in a statement to the Associated Press on Wednesday that other lawful, Geneva Convention-compliant interrogation techniques not in the Army Field Manual would also be outlawed.

"There will be no conditions of threat or danger that would cause us to make an exception. This is an important national decision and it will have a direct impact on our ability to gather intelligence and to detect and prevent future attacks."

Hayden told the House Intelligence Committee on Feb. 7 that he prohibited CIA operatives from using waterboarding in 2006 in the wake of a Supreme Court decision and new laws on the treatment of U.S. detainees. He said the agency has not used waterboarding for five years.

President Bush could authorize waterboarding for future terrorism suspects in certain situations, including "belief that an attack might be imminent," White House spokesman Tony Fratto said Feb. 6. The president would consult with the attorney general and intelligence officials before authorizing its use, Fratto said.

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On the Net:

State Department's Afghanistan Country Page: http://www.state.gov/p/sca/ci/af


 
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- demigod I'm a Fan of demigod 35 fans permalink

A vote for McCain is a vote for endless war, for McCain equates American greatness with an ability to project military power around the world. Every nation that ever tried to do this met with hostililty and ultimate defeat after years of bleeding out their national wealth in foreign lands. This is what history teaches us, if we only look. We are no different from any other empire, and will meet the same end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 02/28/2008
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 148 fans permalink

Why should this suprise anyone? If you know nothing else about Afghanistan you should know that they (historically) don't like government. Central government anyhow.

They have not had an effective central government since the time of Ghengis Khan. And then it was rule by the Persians.

The other thing you should know is that if Afghanis don't care for central governments they hate foreign occupation even more. Just ask the Russians or the British.

We should have got out of Afghanistan immediately after toppling the Taliban AND killing Osama and his crew. Now it is probably too screwed up for any solution in the near term.

And of course the Afghani people are the ones to suffer for the crimes/mistakes of our little man president. They deserve far better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 02/28/2008
- rbspickles I'm a Fan of rbspickles 9 fans permalink

It's time we invade another nation! Let's see, who's got the smallest army and has lot's of natural resources? That will get us out of this mess for sure! Viva la Amerika!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 02/28/2008

Historically that may be a rather high percentage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 02/28/2008
- VivaZapata I'm a Fan of VivaZapata 64 fans permalink
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democracy in action

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 02/28/2008
- Wilburrr I'm a Fan of Wilburrr 16 fans permalink
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Why don't we just call the place "Pipelinestan?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 02/28/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 77 fans permalink

9/11 was clearly done in order to get the masses behind the war in the ME. One could clearly see that even though we had an additional Department of Homeland Security, the funds overall were slashed - we were duped.
If it really were the men from the ME who had done this we immediately would have taken steps to close the borders, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 AM on 02/28/2008
- andyboy I'm a Fan of andyboy 78 fans permalink

This is regarding Iraq. The situation highlights one of the major lies about our involvment there:

"Some force leaders and ground commanders also reject a U.S.-initiated plan that they say offers too few Sunni fighters the opportunity to join Iraq's army and police, and warn that low salaries and late payments are pushing experienced members to quit."

The US can't really allow a well-trained military and police force to emerge in Iraq.

To do so would be extremely dangerous and also would ruin the charade.

The reason? Simple. A large well-trained, well-armed military would be tantamount to an opposing army. They could mutiny at any moment and attack American forces in a bloody coup attempt.

Or the other possibility, or shall I say liklihood is civil war albeit with both sides wearing the same uniform. Frightening.

I'm going to wager none of the generals ever speak of these underlying obstacles to success in Iraq. To do so would be to expose the intractability of our glorious but sadly impossible quest.

You see no matter what we do we are still viewed as invaders and occupiers. We have "stolen" Iraq from it's people.

Like Hitler and before him Bonaparte and even those that patrolled atop the Great Wall we will one day clearly see that we were wrong.

The wolf is always at the door.

Try as we might he will never become a friendly dog.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 AM on 02/28/2008

Wow if John McCain is elected we may get to lose THREE seperate wars simultaneously! Won't that be awesome!! Three cheers for our fading impotent bungled Empire! Way to go Team "R"--thanks for 8 years of disasterous leadership & rampant corruption! Only you guys, with your special talent for fucking things up, could have pulled this one off

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 AM on 02/28/2008
- demigod I'm a Fan of demigod 35 fans permalink

Obama and Clinton both decry Iraq, but when Afghanistan is mentioned, they are suddenly both hawks. Afghanistan is as big a loser as Iraq is, neither can be anything but disasters for the U.S. We need to stop this charade of Afghanistan is the "good" war - no one has ever "won" in Afghanistan and we won't, either. It's a crap hole and will forever be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 02/28/2008
- Sundialsvc4 I'm a Fan of Sundialsvc4 144 fans permalink

When you look at this entire region of the world, think "Persian Empire." The nations that "exist" today were essentially a British invention following World War I, and they really are "lines drawn in the desert sands."

But there is, as this article aptly observed, opium there. The same stuff that helped to finance Queen Victoria's reign.

So it really does come down to "oil, gold, and opium," the basic stuff that men of power have fought over for many generations. It bankrupted other nations too, but perhaps none of them fell quite so easily to the "inverse Rumpelstiltskin effect" of spinning their gold into straw.

Lawlessness accompanies everything. This is why a nation that executed Japanese generals for torture ... waterboarding ... now profess not to be sure whether such a thing is a crime. And it's also why a Congress that is charged with the duty of enforcing law pretends to be pliant and divided and confused.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 AM on 02/28/2008

"Humeskeptic" another well thought out analysis, but had the Bush administration simply looked into the recent history section of the Pentagon library, they would have found that although outfitted with rudimentary equipment the Afghans defeated the Soviet army and have never been occupied for an extended period of time. Furthermore, President Bush ignored all the warnings from our allies to not invade Iraq on the basis of poor or false intelligence based on post-911 hysteria, instead he called our allies cowards, unecessarily levelled Iraq, emboldened Al-Queda, and left our troops in Afghanistan without the requisite massive force which would have crushed Al-Queda and the Taliban once and for all. America now has a 3 trillion dollar debt which is growing every day, Al-Queda is training in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Iraq never had WMD's or any involvement in 911. This was the greatest military and foreign relations failure of any administration in our life time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 02/28/2008
- ramal I'm a Fan of ramal 76 fans permalink
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No more than the Mayor of Kabul. Look in another two to three years for frantic helicopter flights for he and his retinue to American carriers in the Indian Ocean.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 02/28/2008

What a sorry story........how long before he lands up living in exile in South Africa like the democraticly elected dude from Haiti

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 02/28/2008
- lungfish I'm a Fan of lungfish 106 fans permalink
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Got news for y'all, Karzi doesn't control any of Afghanistan - the US controls a little bit of it with the UNs help and the Taleban control the rest of it. Its our soldiers fighting over there, and the Talebans'... Karzi is a puppet figurehead like South Vietnames President (1967-1975)Nguyen Van Thieu.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 02/28/2008
- lungfish I'm a Fan of lungfish 106 fans permalink
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who died in the US in 2001, by the way after being evac'd from Saigon...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 AM on 02/28/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1653 fans permalink
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Bush: “Working with a fine coalition, our military went to Afghanistan, destroyed the training camps of Al Qaida, and put the Taliban out of business forever.” [11/24/03]

Bush: “Because of American soldiers and our brave allies and friends, who have fought beside them, the Taliban is out of business.” [3/15/02]

Bush: “Our first objective in the first theater against the war against terror has been achieved: The Taliban are out of business.” [2/4/02]

Bush: “Now thanks to the United States and our fine allies, Afghanistan is no longer a haven for terror, the Taliban is history, and the Afghan people are free.” [8/14/03]

Bush: “Today, Afghanistan is a world away from the nightmare of the Taliban.” [7/12/04]
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Were it not for people getting killed, I would be rolling on the floor laughing my ass off.

After six long years, the mightiest nation ever to exist can't control that superpower on horse backs called Taliban.

Some fucking Commander-in-Chief we have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 02/28/2008
- mari2JJ I'm a Fan of mari2JJ 39 fans permalink

There is a right way to do stuff, a wrong way to do stuff and an pureD backwards way of doing things. And that is the Bush way. When he gets us involved, you can take it to the bank that the entire mess will be royally screwed up. He is just totally inept, dull witted and loathingly self centered. God save us from Bush!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 AM on 02/28/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1653 fans permalink
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I think NATO was just beginning to figure out how to do things right in Afghanistan before Gates and Condi went and "fixed" things again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 02/28/2008

Don't forget that Al Queada in Iraq is our enemy now--good Republicans don't think too much about Bin Laden anymore. The Chimperor has declared that he is no longer concerned with the man who did 911. Apparantly he is more concerned about staying in Iraq to help out his buddies in the Oil and Arms business, and anyone who doesn't agree with this strategy is 'Soft on terra' --its unFUCKINGbelievable that this incompetant criminal is still running our government. Thanks a lot wingnuts, we owe you one

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 AM on 02/28/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1653 fans permalink
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al Qaeda in Iraq includes any Iraqi tortured or killed by the Blackwater goons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 02/28/2008
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