The Growing Movement Against Marriage

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First Posted: 03- 5-08 12:23 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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Lately it seems that the movement against marriage--Oprah, Susan Sarandon, Maria Bello, and Angelina Jolie are proud members-- is gaining momentum. Here a writer for The Guardian explains why she remains obstinately opposed to the institution:

Forced to unpack my antipathy, I would cite four po-faced motives: atheism; feminism; a loathing of state and/or public intervention in matters I deem private; and something more oddball regarding the close-down of narrative possibility. One reason would be enough to quash any Doris Day ambition; the four together topple into each other like spinsterish dominos.

My stance may be at the more neurotic, proposing-as-a-dumping-offence extreme, but I am by no means alone in my disinclination towards getting hitched. Rates of marriage in Britain - 283,730 in 2005 - are at their lowest since 1896. Given the ebb and flow of population, this is the most paltry scoring since records began almost 150 years ago. Divorce statistics may have fallen (there being fewer candidates), yet, still, 40 per cent of first marriages and 70 per cent of second shots end in divorce.

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What do you think? In your personal experience, is marriage falling out of fashion?

Lately it seems that the movement against marriage--Oprah, Susan Sarandon, Maria Bello, and Angelina Jolie are proud members-- is gaining momentum. Here a writer for The Guardian explains why she rema...
Lately it seems that the movement against marriage--Oprah, Susan Sarandon, Maria Bello, and Angelina Jolie are proud members-- is gaining momentum. Here a writer for The Guardian explains why she rema...
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- LordMoon I'm a Fan of LordMoon 17 fans permalink

Marriage is only dead for some of us.

But for others, Christian Fundamentalists, and Roman Catholic's Marriage is thriving.
And in a generation or two, they will be the dominate political force in our country.

They're political will, will refrom our laws and undo the mistakes that we made, the ones we made because they we're inconvienient to our will.

The rest of us we're simply too busy having a good time, to reproduce. And in biology, it's either reproduce or die.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 AM on 03/10/2008
- johnnyjust I'm a Fan of johnnyjust 6 fans permalink

Marriage was at the beginning and will be long after we're long gone.

The main obstacle to marriage is the same obstacle to any relationships: selfishness. If we see marriage as two people giving 100% it will work great. But there's an obstacle in that sentence as well; the word "people." Self is a hard thing to put down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 03/08/2008
- SILVANUS I'm a Fan of SILVANUS 57 fans permalink
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None of it ever happened. Consciousness is a fraud. You're all dreaming up more concepts and getting mired in them. Stop it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 03/08/2008
- newshawk14 I'm a Fan of newshawk14 8 fans permalink

I think the major problem with marriage today, is that people think the mere blessing by civil or
religious authorities, will make everything OK. The truth is, it requires a continual act of creativity
and dedication, to make it work. One really has to know ones potential partner, their commitment,
and their understanding of what is required, or your shared goals. Neither limerance or ignorance
will get you there

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 03/08/2008
- rixhex56 I'm a Fan of rixhex56 15 fans permalink

I've never understood the idea that a legal contract has anything to do with commitment between two people in love with each other. Even when kids are involved, where perhaps some sort of legal responsibility might exist towards the kids, I still don't see that any document is required to legitimize an agreement between two adults to live together.

It seems especially odd to me that a government would also deem it necessary to reward people who purchase a license to live together over people who choose not to buy a license. Does that concept not seem strange to anyone else?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 03/07/2008
- rmetz74 I'm a Fan of rmetz74 10 fans permalink

I might use the word 'archaic' or 'intrusive' in place of strange, but... Yes, I agree!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 03/07/2008
- rixhex56 I'm a Fan of rixhex56 15 fans permalink

I like the word, "archaic" better...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 03/08/2008
- johnnyjust I'm a Fan of johnnyjust 6 fans permalink

You must specialize in contract law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 03/08/2008
- rixhex56 I'm a Fan of rixhex56 15 fans permalink

"Marriage", as it exists in our country today, is really nothing more than a legal contract. I don't see that such a contract serves any purpose except for government to keep closer track on individuals and exercise more control over us.

The religious components of marraige seem to have little to do with the licensing of a marriage, but probaly also originated in attempts by early religious leaders to garner control over their constituents. The idea that two adults require "permission" from others in order for their commitment to each other to be validated and justified is ridiculous in my mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 03/08/2008
- hootie1fan I'm a Fan of hootie1fan 13 fans permalink
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You've heard of the three strikes law, well in my version, it's 2. After 2 divorces you are off the marriage market. After 2 divorces, just shack up and avoid the hypocrisy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 03/07/2008
- hootie1fan I'm a Fan of hootie1fan 13 fans permalink
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In the time that Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins have been a FWOM, one of my relatives has managed to divorce not just wife #1 or #2 but also wife #3. This same serial divorcer won't hesitate to tell you that the biggest threats to marriage are the liberals, they gay and the atheists in government.

Since Angelina and Brad have become a FWOM, two of my colleagues have managed to get married, one had a child, and both are now divorce.

Marriage doesn't keep anyone together who doesn't want to be

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 AM on 03/07/2008
- darker I'm a Fan of darker 43 fans permalink

republican ST[H]INK tanks--dozens of them--put on their stinking caps to demonize "feminist" and "feminism" and "liberal" to twisted language meanings 'frat-boy style". And stupid people are BUYING THEIR LIES --still?? Unbelievable! WAKE UP AND SMELL THE SMEARING. You're NEXT.

Philosophically speaking--stop drinking republican Kool-Aid! They'll wipe the floor with Obama.
Vote for competence. Vote H.Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 AM on 03/07/2008
- jumperpin I'm a Fan of jumperpin 10 fans permalink
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Fear, despair, insecurity, corporatism and childless coupling are each also a "growing movement".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 03/06/2008
- tchristin I'm a Fan of tchristin 14 fans permalink

I've been married a long time and I think the best arrangement is marriage. Life is not a bowl of cherries and when the tough times come to you .. and they will, there is nothing like those warm open arms and the acceptance of someone who shares your pain. It's not about feeling, it's a decision you make to spend your life with someone. Love in my opinion can't truly grow and mature without commitment.. and commitment can be hard. There is no other way to get there than to go through it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 03/06/2008
- dshwa I'm a Fan of dshwa 3 fans permalink

You can have all that without a marriage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 03/08/2008

Hmm. I'm all for people ignoring (or indulging) in whatever church activities, but a legal agreement of the parents is a good thing if kids are in the picture. A civil union, I think, is in a child's best interest... they really need some security. It's kind of selfish to want a kid, but not want to commit to a partnership legally to secure a stronger future for that child. And we are pretty self-centered these days. Heck the idea of "common law" marriages still applies doesn't it? But if you aren't going to be responsible for children, heck yeah.... why WOULD you marry/unite? It's pointless then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 03/06/2008
- hootie1fan I'm a Fan of hootie1fan 13 fans permalink
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There's a big difference between being anti-marriage and simply being anti-divorce. If you are mostly certainly not going to have a marriage that lasts, take the hypocrisy out of it and remain single.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 03/06/2008

I've been married 23 years and I'm still mostly certainly not sure it's going to last.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 03/06/2008
- SILVANUS I'm a Fan of SILVANUS 57 fans permalink
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Marriage is great for those who want it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 03/06/2008
- QueenTiye I'm a Fan of QueenTiye 13 fans permalink
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It appears that maybe we are creeping toward my preferred solution - namely letting government regulate civil unions (for everyone) and letting people seek "marriage" if they want that, from whatever religious or philosophical institution offers that, and fits with their moral understanding.

The church ought not be in the business of signing civil documents, and government ought not be in the business of "marrying" people. All government has to care about is social contracts., i.e., civil unions...

QT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 03/06/2008
- hootie1fan I'm a Fan of hootie1fan 13 fans permalink
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Leave the civil union as a function of government and let chirches decide on the whole marriage thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 03/06/2008

Too bad for those bitter frumps who cannot find a mate, that's the tone I get from the author of this piece.
Just because you are a failure in relationships, doesn't mean the rest of us are.

And sure, shack up all you want just like they do in Europe, then have a couple of kids in your 'agreement' and then like petulant teenagers, when one of you decides you no longer want to be a part of it, you can just walk, and break up a family in the process all to satisfy your selfish impulses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 03/06/2008
- hoopesaz I'm a Fan of hoopesaz 23 fans permalink

I quite agree. Don't call it marriage and call it civil unions if you please. As soon as that happens civil unions will be the new marriage and all of the things people hate about marriage will be in civil unions as well. A 10 year civil union involving money, assets, and kids that desolves after 10 years is going to be subject to the same emotion, the same devistation, the same court battles as any marriage.

It's incredible that folks think changing the name of the agreement somehow makes the human aspects of the commitment change. It doesn't and it won't. And it is SO naive to believe that it will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 03/06/2008

This argument is ridiculously simplistic and ignores some basic political context. First, to put it out there, I'm in a long term relationship and both my partner and I have agreed not to marry, primarily because of our fundamental belief that if the LGBT members of our community cannot marry, we will not participate in a fundamentally discriminatory institution. Which brings me to the main point, and why I find this discussion ridiculous. This is not about commitment or people being naive because they think civil unions/domestic partnerships are less of a commitment. I KNOW it's just as much of a commitment and I certainly don't need you to tell me about commitment in my relationship. The point is that the term "marriage" carries with it tremendous baggage. The Christian conservative right has claimed it, it carries the historical weight mentioned both by their politics and the politics noted by this author, and some LGBT activists want the choice to take on that mantle if they so choose. So trying to paint all pro-civil union folks as unaware of the commitment of relationships only attempts to decontextualize one of the most heavily weighted words in our language and use it for the most insular interpersonal definition possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 AM on 03/07/2008
- hootie1fan I'm a Fan of hootie1fan 13 fans permalink
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As opposed to what being married for a few years, having children, divorcing and then walking away? It happens all the time. Marriage just doesn't keep them together any more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 03/06/2008

Pardon my ire, but how dare you broadbrush all of the happy couples and families in Europe - and elsewhere - with such bigotry! I live in Europe and the trends that seem to be driving marriage out are the fading popularity of religion and the greater emancipation of women and LGBT's, but in no way is the approach to relationships more or less adolescent than in the United States. (Actually, since they have a drastically lower teen pregnancy than the U.S., they are less so.) The fact is that everyone defines their own relationships differently and have a right to that. Commitment is essential, responsibility is essential, but the word "marriage" does not guarantee either. My cousin in Sweden lived with his fiancee for 5 years, had a big white wedding, and within a year they were divorced. He now lives with his new girlfriend and their baby, and is happier than ever before. A ceremony is a ceremony and nothing more - what is important lies completely under the surface and between the two partners. (I once attended an AMERICAN wedding wherein it was the groom's SIXTH marriage and soon became his SIXTH divorce.) Laws cannot prove the presence or absence of true love and commitment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 03/07/2008
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