Obama Camp: Clinton Foreign Policy A Dramatized Assertion, Clinton Calls His Iraq Plan

Obama Camp: Clinton Foreign Policy A Dramatized Assertion, Clinton Calls His Iraq Plan "Just Words"

Huffington Post   |   March 11, 2008 09:26 AM


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The Obama campaign has released an exhaustive memo on Hillary Clinton's foreign policy experience. They argue that Sen. Clinton's claim that she has passed a Commander-in-Chief threshold is "mere assertion, dramatized in a scary television commercial." They also detail each of the foreign policy situations -- Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda and China -- that Sen. Clinton has mentioned during the campaign.

Meanwhile, Sen. Clinton has sought to preempt a scheduled environment speech for Obama today. Co-opting his phrase, she calls both his environmental policy and his promise to withdraw from Iraq "just words."

Read Obama's memo (Clinton statement below):

To: Interested Parties From: Greg Craig, former director, Policy Planning Office, U.S. State Department RE: Senator Clinton's claim to be experienced in foreign policy: Just words? DA: March 11, 2008

When your entire campaign is based upon a claim of experience, it is important that you have evidence to support that claim. Hillary Clinton's argument that she has passed "the Commander- in-Chief test" is simply not supported by her record.

There is no doubt that Hillary Clinton played an important domestic policy role when she was First Lady. It is well known, for example, that she led the failed effort to pass universal health insurance. There is no reason to believe, however, that she was a key player in foreign policy at any time during the Clinton Administration. She did not sit in on National Security Council meetings. She did not have a security clearance. She did not attend meetings in the Situation Room. She did not manage any part of the national security bureaucracy, nor did she have her own national security staff. She did not do any heavy-lifting with foreign governments, whether they were friendly or not. She never managed a foreign policy crisis, and there is no evidence to suggest that she participated in the decision-making that occurred in connection with any such crisis. As far as the record shows, Senator Clinton never answered the phone either to make a decision on any pressing national security issue - not at 3 AM or at any other time of day.

When asked to describe her experience, Senator Clinton has cited a handful of international incidents where she says she played a central role. But any fair-minded and objective judge of these claims - i.e., by someone not affiliated with the Clinton campaign - would conclude that Senator Clinton's claims of foreign policy experience are exaggerated.

Northern Ireland:

Senator Clinton has said, "I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland." It is a gross overstatement of the facts for her to claim even partial credit for bringing peace to Northern Ireland. She did travel to Northern Ireland, it is true. First Ladies often travel to places that are a focus of U.S. foreign policy. But at no time did she play any role in the critical negotiations that ultimately produced the peace. As the Associated Press recently reported, "[S]he was not directly involved in negotiating the Good Friday peace accord." With regard to her main claim that she helped bring women together, she did participate in a meeting with women, but, according to those who know best, she did not play a pivotal role. The person in charge of the negotiations, former Senator George Mitchell, said that "[The First Lady] was one of many people who participated in encouraging women to get involved, not the only one."

News of Senator Clinton's claims has raised eyebrows across the ocean. Her reference to an important meeting at the Belfast town hall was debunked. Her only appearance at the Belfast City Hall was to see Christmas lights turned on. She also attended a 50-minute meeting which, according to the Belfast Daily Telegraph's report at the time, "[was] a little bit stilted, a little prepared at times." Brian Feeney, an Irish author and former politician, sums it up: "The road to peace was carefully documented, and she wasn't on it."

Bosnia:

Senator Clinton has pointed to a March 1996 trip to Bosnia as proof that her foreign travel involved a life-risking mission into a war zone. She has described dodging sniper fire. While she did travel to Bosnia in March 1996, the visit was not a high-stakes mission to a war zone. On March 26, 1996, the New York Times reported that "Hillary Rodham Clinton charmed American troops at a U.S.O. show here, but it didn't hurt that the singer Sheryl Crow and the comedian Sinbad were also on the stage."

Kosovo:

Senator Clinton has said, "I negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo." It is true that, as First Lady, she traveled to Macedonia and visited a Kosovar refugee camp. It is also true that she met with government officials while she was there. First Ladies frequently meet with government officials. Her claim to have "negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo," however, is not true. Her trip to Macedonia took place on May 14, 1999. The borders were opened the day before, on May 13, 1999.

The negotiations that led to the opening of the borders were accomplished by the people who ordinarily conduct negotiations with foreign governments - U.S. diplomats. President Clinton's top envoy to the Balkans, former Ambassador Robert Gelbard, said, "I cannot recall any involvement by Senator Clinton in this issue." Ivo Daalder worked on the Clinton Administration's National Security Council and wrote a definitive history of the Kosovo conflict. He recalls that "she had absolutely no role in the dirty work of negotiations."

Rwanda:

Last year, former President Clinton asserted that his wife pressed him to intervene with U.S. troops to stop the Rwandan genocide. When asked about this assertion, Hillary Clinton said it was true. There is no evidence, however, to suggest that this ever happened. Even those individuals who were advocating a much more robust U.S. effort to stop the genocide did not argue for the use of U.S. troops. No one recalls hearing that Hillary Clinton had any interest in this course of action. Based on a fair and thorough review of National Security Council deliberations during those tragic months, there is no evidence to suggest that U.S. military intervention was ever discussed. Prudence Bushnell, the Assistant Secretary of State with responsibility for Africa, has recalled that there was no consideration of U.S. military intervention.

At no time prior to her campaign for the presidency did Senator Clinton ever make the claim that she supported intervening militarily to stop the Rwandan genocide. It is noteworthy that she failed to mention this anecdote - urging President Clinton to intervene militarily in Rwanda - in her memoirs. President Clinton makes no mention of such a conversation with his wife in his memoirs. And Madeline Albright, who was Ambassador to the United Nations at the time, makes no mention of any such event in her memoirs.

Hillary Clinton did visit Rwanda in March 1998 and, during that visit, her husband apologized for America's failure to do more to prevent the genocide.

China

Senator Clinton also points to a speech that she delivered in Beijing in 1995 as proof of her ability to answer a 3 AM crisis phone call. It is strange that Senator Clinton would base her own foreign policy experience on a speech that she gave over a decade ago, since she so frequently belittles Barack Obama's speeches opposing the Iraq War six years ago. Let there be no doubt: she gave a good speech in Beijing, and she stood up for women's rights. But Senator Obama's opposition to the War in Iraq in 2002 is relevant to the question of whether he, as Commander-in-Chief, will make wise judgments about the use of military force. Senator Clinton's speech in Beijing is not.

Senator Obama's speech opposing the war in Iraq shows independence and courage as well as good judgment. In the speech that Senator Clinton says does not qualify him to be Commander in Chief, Obama criticized what he called "a rash war . . . a war based not on reason, but on passion, not on principle, but on politics." In that speech, he said prophetically: "[E]ven a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences." He predicted that a U.S. invasion of Iraq would "fan the flames of the Middle East," and "strengthen the recruitment arm of al Qaeda." He urged the United States first to "finish the fight with Bin Laden and al Qaeda."

If the U.S. government had followed Barack Obama's advice in 2002, we would have avoided one of the greatest foreign policy catastrophes in our nation's history. Some of the most "experienced" men in national security affairs - Vice President Cheney and Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and others - led this nation into that catastrophe. That lesson should teach us something about the value of judgment over experience. Longevity in Washington, D.C. does not guarantee either wisdom of judgment.

Conclusion:

The Clinton campaign's argument is nothing more than mere assertion, dramatized in a scary television commercial with a telephone ringing in the middle of the night. There is no support for or substance in the claim that Senator Clinton has passed "the Commander-in-Chief test." That claim - as the TV ad - consists of nothing more than making the assertion, repeating it frequently to the voters and hoping that they will believe it.

On the most critical foreign policy judgment of our generation - the War in Iraq - Senator Clinton voted in support of a resolution entitled "The Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of U.S. Military Force Against Iraq." As she cast that vote, she said: "This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction." In this campaign, Senator Clinton has argued - remarkably - that she wasn't actually voting for war, she was voting for diplomacy. That claim is no more credible than her other claims of foreign policy experience. The real tragedy is that we are still living with the terrible consequences of her misjudgment. The Bush Administration continues to cite that resolution as its authorization - like a blank check - to fight on with no end in sight.

Barack Obama has a very simple case. On the most important commander in chief test of our generation, he got it right, and Senator Clinton got it wrong. In truth, Senator Obama has much more foreign policy experience than either Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan had when they were elected. Senator Obama has worked to confront 21st century challenges like proliferation and genocide on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He possesses the personal attributes of a great leader - an even temperament, an open-minded approach to even the most challenging problems, a willingness to listen to all views, clarity of vision, the ability to inspire, conviction and courage.

And Barack Obama does not use false charges and exaggerated claims to play politics with national security.


After seven years of an energy policy written by and for the oil companies - with help from Dick Cheney - oil has now reached $107 a barrel - and gas prices in some areas are approaching $4 a gallon.

I understand Senator Obama is talking about energy today, right here in Pennsylvania. And that's great. But talking about problems is easy. Solving problems is hard. And speeches are no substitute for solutions. Speeches won't lower gas prices, stop climate change, or lessen our dependence on oil from Saudi Arabia.

The true test comes when it's time to match rhetoric with results. And unfortunately, we've seen that Senator Obama's promises and speeches are often just words.

On the campaign trail, Senator Obama talks about clean energy. But in the Senate, he voted for Dick Cheney's energy bill loaded with new tax breaks for oil companies. When he faced a tough choice, his support for a clean energy future turned out to be just words.

It's like how he talks about fixing NAFTA. But his top economic adviser assured the Canadian government that he wouldn't really follow through. His position? Just words.

Senator Obama promises to withdraw from Iraq within 16 months. But his top foreign policy adviser said he's not really going to rely on that plan. I guess that plan is just words, too.

We need a president who will solve problems. Who will fight for our families long after the speeches are over and the cameras are gone. That's the choice in this campaign: Solutions you can rely on - versus words you can't.



 
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Keith Olbermann on MSNBC is going to make a Special Comment about the Clinton campaign tonight. This to m e is significant because he often talks about his fondness for the Clintons. She has clearly crossed the line and party supporters know it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 03/12/2008
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-And we musnt' forget - that hillbilly clinton was all ready to support another Bush led war on Iran when she voted that part of Iran's military is a terrorist group. What on earth would that make the military of the USA - only one to invade and destroy a country that posed no threat, pays no attention to the Geneva Convention or the U.N. - and manages a torture prison on Gitmo Bay. Beat that Iran! Her schizophrenic idea of peace and integrity - and ego-centric view of terrorism is hardly inspiring of a foreign policy that will get the U.S. out of the karmic catastrophe it is currently mired in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 AM on 03/12/2008

The fact that Sen. Clinton is campaigning on the strength of saying what you mean is just plain funny. Hilarious, even! I don't know how she keeps a straight face.

And she even has the gall to bring up the debunked NAFTA/Canada story after the press confirmed that it was actually her camaign who approached Canada first to retract her latest stance on NAFTA!

"blah blah action. blah blah experience. blah blah obama. blah blah results." Voters get it. She might hit the ground running, as it were, but this is not the vision of a leader. It's not a vision at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 03/11/2008

If I have my history correct, the "red phone" or "hot line" in the White House was established after the Cuban Missile Crisis to provide a connection between Washington and the Kremlin in Moscow as a way for these two Cold War adversaries to talk to one another in a time of imminent crisis.

Hillary Clinton, in her "3 a.m. phone call" ad, has posed the question: Who would be better suited- her or a President Obama- to answer the phone during an international crisis.

For starters, the obvious answer should be: the person who is cool under pressure, steady, and calm, not reactionary, hysterical, or unpredictable.

But another factor in who of the two of them would be better to have answering the phone has come from the candidates themselves: Hillary has said she would not talk to adversaries without preconditions and layers of protocol.

Obama, on the other hand, has often said he would never be afraid or hesitant to talk with our enemies.

To me, it is far more plausible that Barack Obama could handle that 3 a.m. phone call in a strong, professional, presidential way worthy of a commander-in-chief

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 03/11/2008

If I have my history correct, the "red phone" or "hot line" in the White House was established after the Cuban Missile Crisis to provide a connection between Washington and the Kremlin in Moscow as a way for these two Cold War adversaries to talk to one another in a time of imminent crisis.

Hillary Clinton, in her "3 a.m. phone call" ad, has posed the question: Who would be better suited- her or a President Obama- to answer the phone during an international crisis.

For starters, the obvious answer should be: the person who is cool under pressure, steady, and calm, not reactionary, hysterical, or unpredictable.

But another factor in who of the two of them would be better to have answering the phone has come from the candidates themselves: Hillary has said she would not talk to adversaries without preconditions and layers of protocol.

Obama, on the other hand, has often said he would never be afraid or hesitant to talk with our enemies.

To me, it is far more plausible that Barack Obama could handle that 3 a.m. phone call in a strong, professional, presidential way worthy of a commander-in-chief.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 03/11/2008
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Exactly!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 03/12/2008

The Obama campaign is, understandably, trying to downplay the relative differences between Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama as regards foreign affairs and national security.

The truth is that while Sen. Clinton was indeed the First Lady, and not the SecDef or SecState, she was nonetheless an integral part of Clinton Foreign Policy and Diplomatic efforts. She was used on sensitive diplomatic missions as a top-tier emmisary of the President...much more so than other FLOTUS have been¦and developed both experience and skill in international affairs.

Looking at what is readily available on the internet, shows that on her solo travels as FLOTUS she held 1 on 1 meetings with many many Heads of State and Government. The list below is by no means complete, and also doesn"t reflect the joint travel/meetings/events that she took part in with Pres. Clinton, nor the many dozens of meetings she took part in with other First Ladies, community and religious leaders, NGOs, and other leaders all over the world. I have also included a very incomplete sampling of her oversees trips as Senator. This gives some sense for the amount of experience she has, and is in stark contrast to that of Sen. Obama¦
1) Uzbekistan " 11/97 " President Islon Karimov
2) Afghanistan- 1/07 President Hamid Karzai
3) Bangladesh " 3/95 "
a. 4/95 "President Abdur Rahman Biswas,
b. 4/95- PM Begum Khaleda Zia " "First Lady Hillary Clinton has had a village named after her . . . in Bangladesh. The decision to swap Moishahatipara for Hillarypara was apparently taken by the women of the remote village.They were impressed because ¦she did not keep cows at the White House - and once earned more than her husband."
4) Bosnia- 3/96 - President Alija Izetbegovic
5) Brazil 10/95 " President Fernando Henrique Cardoso
6) Bulgaria 10/98 - President Peter Stoyanov
7) Chile 10/95 - President Eduardo Frei
8) Croatia " 3/96 President Franjo Tudjman (?)
9) Czech Republic " 10/98
a. 10/98 Pres. Vaclav Havel
b. 10/98 - Addressed Forum 2000 conference
c. 7/96 - President Vaclav Havel
d. 7/96 - PM Vaclav Klaus
10) Dominican Republic- 11/98 President Leonel Fernandez
11) Estonia-
a. 7/96 - President Lennart
b. 7/96- PM Tiit Vahi
12) Egypt- 3/23/99 " President Hosni Mubarak
13) Eritrea- 3/97 " President Isayas Afewerki
14) France-
a. 11/98 " President Jacques Chirac
b. 5/98 " President Jacques Chirac
c. 5/98 - PM Lionel Jospin
15) Germany- 3/96 (?)
16) Greece- 3/96 President Kostis Stephanopoulos
17) Greece " 3/96 PM Costas Simitis
18) Guatemala " 11/98 " President Ãlvaro Arzú
19) Haiti " 11/98 President Rene Preval
20) Honduras- 11/98 " President Carlos Flores
21) Hungary- 7/96- President Arpad Goncz
22) Iceland " 10/99 " President Olafur Ragnar Grimsson
23) India "
a. 2/05 -President Sonia Gandhi
b. 2/05 - PM Manmohan Singh
c. Pres. Narayanan
d. 9/97- Funeral of Mother Theresa
e. 3/95- President Shankar Dayal Sharma
f. 3/95 " PM PV Narasimha Rao
g. 3/95- Sonia Gandhi
24) Iraq-
a. 1/07 - PM Nuri Al Malaki
25) Ireland-
a. 5/99
b. 10/97 PM Bertie Ahern
c. 3/96 PM John Bruton
26) Israel-
a. 11/05 - PM Ariel Sharon
b. 5/05 - PM Ariel Sharon (DC)
c. 6/01- Pres. Katsav
d. 11/05 - PM Sharon
e. 11/00 - Pres Katsav
f. 11/00 " PM Ehud Barak
27) Jordan " 6/99 " King Abdullah
28) Kazakhstan- 11/97 President Nursultan Nazarbayev
29) Kyrgyzstan " 11/97 " President Askar Akayev
30) Latvia- 9/99 - President Vaira Vike-Freiberga
31) Macedonia
a. 5/99 - President Kiro Gligorov
b. 5/99 - PM Ljubco Crvenkovski
Hillary Clinton¦stated on 15 May, 1999 that the campaign in Yugoslavia aims to allow the refugees to return. Thousands of Kosovar Albanians have become refugees as a result of the ethnic "cleansing" campaign of the Yugoslav President, Slobodan Milosevic. Clinton stated that the European and American allied forces and the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) would not allow Milosevic to prevent the Kosovar Albanians from returning to their homeland. Clinton also stated that humanitarian workers would continue their efforts on the Balkan peninsula
32) Mongolia- 9/95 " President Punsalmaagiyn Ochirbat
33) Morocco- 3/99 - King Hassan
34) Nepal- 3/95 - King Birendra, PM Man Mohan
35) Nicaragua-
a. 11/98 - President Violeta Chamorro
b. 10/95- President Violeta Chamorro
36) Norway 2/94 " King Harald
37) Pakistan "
a. 1/07- General/President Pervez Musharraf
b. 3/95 " PM Benazir Bhutto
38) Panama " 10/97 - President Ernesto Perez Balladares (?) (She Intervened on behalf of journalist Gustavo Gorriti)
39) Paraguay -10/95 (?)
40) Poland
a. 10/99 " President Aleksander Kwasniewski
b. 10/99 - PM Jerzy Buzek
c. 7/96 - Pres. Aleksander Kwasniewski
41) Romania " 7/96 President Ion Iliescu
42) Senegal " 3/97 - President Abdou Diouf
43) Slovakia
a. 10/99 " President Schuster
b. 10/99- PM Mikulas Dzurinda
c. 7/96 - President Michal Kovac
d. 7/96 " PM Vladimir Meciar
44) South Africa- 3/97 - President Nelson Mandela
45) Sri Lanka " 4/95 " President Chandrika Kumaratunga
46) Tanzania- 3/96 - President Benjamin Mkapa
47) Tunisia " 3/99 - President Zine el Abidine Ben Ali
48) Turkey
a. 3/96- President Suleyman Demirel
b. 3/96 - PM Mesut Yilmaz
c. 3/96 " former PM Tansu Ciller
49) Uganda 3/97 - President Y. Museveni
50) Ukraine -11/97
51) UK
a. 11/97 PM Blair - U.S. News & World Report November 3, 1997 - In an unprecedented official trip for a first lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton will meet with British Prime Minister Tony Blair in London November 1 to discuss ways to strengthen what U.S. officials call "the trans-Atlantic connection" between the White House and 10 Downing Street. Administration officials say it will be the first time a first lady has met one-on-one with a British prime minister for substantive discussions without the president. The topics will include health care, child care, and ideas about connecting schools to the Internet. "They'll discuss large social and political issues," says a senior White House aide, and try to build on President Clinton's already close relationship with Blair. During her five-day trip, which starts October 30, Mrs. Clinton will also visit Dublin and Ulster for a series of public appearances to promote children's rights and equal opportunity for women. It's all part of Mrs. Clinton's rising prominence on policy issues in her husband's second term.
b. N.Ireland- 3/96 Northern Sec. Mo Mowlam, David Trimble, John Hume, Gerry Adams
52) Uruguay-
a. 10/98- President Julio Maria Sanguinetti
b. 10/95 -
53) Uzbekistan " 11/97 President Islam Karimov
54) 1998- The Dalai Lama (DC)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 03/11/2008

I have met multiple heads of state. I sang them a song and shook their hand after having lunch with them. Me for president!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 03/11/2008

Please cite your sources

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 03/11/2008

and how many of these people are still in power?

I am from Ireland and I can tell you that :
51 / Blair has resigned, Mo Mowlam has died, David Trimble is now in a minor party, John Hume is retired, Gerry Adams is in power, but She wouldn' t want Him to be Her only friend in the North.

25/ Bertie Ahern is leader in the south, but under scrutiny for "payment to politicians" scandals. John Bruton is the EU ambassador to the US - I'm sure He would be easy for any US leader to meet as He's just down the road from the Whitehouse

as for many of the other leaders.. ( 28) didn't meet Bill Clinton and His friend Mr. Giustra recently meet President Nursultan Nazarbayev of Kazakhstan- and didn't Bill's friend get a Uranium mining contract in Kazakhstan and within months the Clinton library gets a $31.3 million donation from Guistra.....and how could Nazararbayev still be the president since 1992 ?
"On May 18, 2007, the Parliament of Kazakhstan approved a constitutional amendment which would allow Nazarbayev to seek re-election as many times as he wishes" - Nice to know the Clintons have "good" friends abroad from their first presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 03/11/2008
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ScoopJackson


do your research. properly.


Three articles that debunk Hillary's foreign affairs experience
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/hume-and-trimble-clash-over-clintons-peace-role-1311181.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-experiencemar07,0,51719.story


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Obama's Senate Foreign Relations work:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hF21X4euXTnoLZk5sNoBd9NVtcRQD8V1SV980


Some of the work done by Sen. Barack Obama since joining the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 2005:


MAJOR TRIPS:


In 2005, Obama traveled with Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., to former Soviet states and visited sites where nuclear weapons were being dismantled.


In 2006, Obama visited Africa, where he and his wife publicly took HIV tests in Kenya to encourage citizens there to do the same. He also met AIDS researchers and activists and caused a stir by speaking out against corruption and the corrosive role of tribal loyalties in the Kenyan government.


Also in 2006, Obama traveled to the Middle East, where he met Israel's foreign minister, spent two days in Iraq talking to officials and military commanders, and stopped in the Palestinian territory, Jordan and Kuwait.

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LEGISLATION:

In February 2008, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee approved Obama's proposal to require a new strategy to reduce global poverty.


In January 2007, the president signed Obama and Lugar's legislation aimed at improving nonproliferation efforts, including eliminating stockpiles of shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles. Later that year, Obama proposed creating an internationally monitored uranium reserve that would guarantee fuel would be available for commercial nuclear reactors and dissuade countries from building their own uranium enrichment capability.


In June 2007, the Senate passed Obama's resolution condemning violence by the Zimbabwe government.


In January 2007, he proposed legislation that would have prevented President Bush from sending more troops to Iraq and required troop withdrawals to begin that spring. Last November, he introduced legislation that would make clear Congress had not authorized military force against Iran. Neither measure received a vote.


In July 2005, the Senate passed legislation co-sponsored by Obama to provide $13 million for the Special Court for Sierra Leone to use in the prosecution of former Liberian President Charles Taylor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 03/11/2008

Let's nominat Laura Bush for the presidency - she has all these experiences too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 03/11/2008

I agree aj4321 and Laura Bush is ALOT more tolerable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 03/11/2008
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The Iraq war resolution that Hillary signed was made up of words, just words...

The Lieberman Iran resolution that Hillary signed, a step to bombing Iran, was made up of words, just words...

The Declaration of Independence is made up of words, just words...

The Constitution is made up of words, just words...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 03/11/2008

Get your "O" on today. The best way to show support! It's the best way to show your support!
http://www.cafepress.com/o_yes_we_can

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 03/11/2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgxxWhzdhv0

Clinton's still selling the same old Nafta Lie, why hasn't the press outed her yet??

Why are people still supporting such a blatant lier?? Unbelievable !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 03/11/2008

Obama is not just about words. Sure, he gives a great speech, but that is what presidents do, folks: they give speeches. And if Obama gives better speeches than Hillary or McCain, then he will show the American people that he is the rightful heir to Throne America. Don't underestimate Obama's "cool intellectualism" or his laid-back style. America is sick and tired of fighting and of people bullying other people about and America is ready for Burach and his new style Democrats.
A friend of mine volunteers for Team Obama and she told me recently that Obama is about to come out with a very detailed plan for taking a high-road approach to pointing out Hillary's flaws. And he will win this way. As an Obama supporter I know that negative campaigning is going to be a thing of the past. And the sooner the better!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 03/11/2008

Just a question - if Hillary Lieberman is has already passed the presidential thresshold, why hasn't she accomplished more in her 35 years? You have to dig deep to find anything of any substance on her part - I'm sorry, naming libraries just doesn't cut it. what we're seeing is just more clinton politics with a rovian spin - with "spin" being the operative word. Considering she voted for the war in Iraq, I'd say she failed the presidential test in my book.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 03/11/2008

I think it's patently silly for any first lady, from Laura Bush to Eleanor Roosevelt, to use their tenure as First Lady as part of their resume that qualifies them to be president.

The fact is that:
George Bush had no foreign policy experience, but Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld did
Bill Clinton had no foreign policy experience
George HW Bush had foreign policy experience
Ronald Reagan did not
Jimmy Carter did not
Gerald Ford did
Richard Nixon did
Lyndon Johnson did
John Kennedy did not (you can argue this one)
Eisenhower did
Truman did
Roosevelt did not (prior to his first term)

So look at the record - it's a mixed bag - experience does not always guarantee a good outcome on the foreign policy experience front. Some of our best presidents had little to no foreign policy experience when entering the white house, while some of the more experienced presidents fared poorly. It's a specious argument that Hillary is making for the most part and to me it's kind of silly. Most of the moderate non affiliated voters are not going to buy in to it in the general election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 03/11/2008

Just words? Here is a Molly Ivins view of Hillary's ability to act or evenfind words concerninng the war, which had been going on for quite a while then. It mentions a few other things as well.

http://www.cnn.com/2006//POLITICS/01/20/ivins.hillary/

Ready for command onday one? Qualified to be president? Come again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 03/11/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 03/11/2008

This link provides a view of how Molly ivins saw Hillary's ability to decide (a major part of command):

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/01/20/ivins.hillary/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 03/11/2008

If actions speak louder than words, then Hillary's actions show that she would not lift a finger to stop this Iraq lunacy, to make the U.S. a leader in combatting global warming, to stop the flow of American jobs into Mexico and other foreign countries....

IMO, someone who is ready to lead is someone who's going to change all of the above, and that's Obama.

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