Sam Stein

BIO

Sam Stein

The Huffington Post

Lincoln Chafee Interview:

Lincoln Chafee Interview: "Everyone Was Silent" On Iraq

March 13, 2008 05:40 PM


RSS stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust mixx.com

As the war in Iraq completes its fifth year this week, The Huffington Post is featuring interviews with and essays by those journalists, elected officials, policymakers and former military officials who spoke out early and boldly against what they saw as an inevitable disaster. They join our Iraq Honor Roll.

Lincoln Chafee: "Everyone Was Silent"
The Only Republican Senator to Oppose Iraq War Authorization Speaks Out

In the fall of 2002, as the United States Senate was granting the White House authorization to go to war in Iraq, only one Republican member of that body opposed the course of action. Lincoln Chafee, a moderate Rhode Island Republican, served on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee at the time that he expressed his skepticism. In his view, the administration had clearly failed to make its case to invade Iraq. Nor did he believe that the attacks on 9/11 were connected to Saddam Hussein. History, so far, has proved Chafee prescient.

In the summer of 2007, Chafee formally abandoned the Republican Party after losing his re-election run to Democrat Sheldon Whitehouse.

In this interview with The Huffington Post, he recounts how, at the time he opposed the initial war authorization, he felt like a sheep amidst the wolves.

What was it like to be in the opposition to the Iraq War five years ago, with the drums beating loud and the majority of the public and Congress supporting the rush to war?

When the president first started talking about Iraq, it was just met with incredulity. There was no connection between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. The intelligence was questionable. But there was all this fear from 9/11.

Colin Powell was the coup de grace with his testimony at the United Nations. And you heard it here in Rhode Island. People were saying, 'Well Colin Powell presented all this evidence about weapons of mass destruction and Saddam being a threat.' He sold the war for them.

The administration was just brilliant with their marketing. I still marvel at the weapons of mass destruction. It never got defined. What were the weapons they were talking about? But it worked. People believed these weapons existed. People got the feeling that the [terrorists] were going to come down the shores and onto the main streets and that we were in danger.

What was going on in the Senate at the time? Was there just too much pressure by the administration for a majority anti-war coalition?

We just got through Vietnam. And we were about to do it all again. The Democrats were abysmal. They controlled the Senate in 2002. And none of the right questions were being asked. There was a minority led by Sen. [Robert] Byrd. He was terrific. But the floor was generally silent.

How could that be?

Sept 11th had everyone angry. It was a difficult atmosphere. It was a time you needed cool heads. But we didn't have them. And then you factor in the mistake the Democrats made on the first Gulf War. They didn't want to do that again.

When you think about it, all the leaders who were contemplating running for president - Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Tom Daschle - they all voted for it. Why? They all were making a calculated personal decision and didn't want the war hanging over them.

What were your thoughts on the media's role in the run up to the war? Did they do their jobs, or were they too acquiescent to the Bush administration?

I thought The New York Times was good. The Washington Post was okay. But, for the most part, the press went along. I can remember the talk shows, Imus and the like. The only people they were interviewing were war proponents. I used to listen to Imus driving into work and I used to scream: 'Can you get one person opposed to the war?' There were 23 of us in the Senate. You couldn't talk to Barbara Boxer? Russ Feingold? Paul Wellstone?

Was there a point in time during the war where you thought it could be a success? Or did you think, from the beginning, that it was doomed to be a lost cause?

There was a moment when I said to myself, 'You were wrong.' That was a moment right after "Mission Accomplished," right after 2003... [All these regional leaders] were all in the Jordanian seaside town of Aqaba, and they were all standing there saying that with the removal of Saddam Hussein, in Iraq was going to energize the peace process for Israel and Palestine. And I said 'Wow, if this all pans out that would be amazing.' Maybe I had misjudged it after all, Paul Wellstone called it dual victories in the war on terror, the fact that we could take out Saddam and restart the peace process. But it never happened. It never panned out. From that moment on it was just a series of bad decisions and blunders. And we lost any chance for success.

So, five years later, we are still in Iraq. And it seems that, until President Bush leaves office, we will remain there. What does the U.S. need to do in order to facilitate an end to the war?

We need to have stronger efforts on peace negotiations. I also believe that the six countries that share a border with Iraq - Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, Iran, Kuwait - those are the key countries if we want to get this thing resolved. They share a border with Iraq. They know the Iraqis. Two of them, people say, shouldn't be at the table - Syria and Iran. But we need to make stronger efforts to get them to share responsibilities if we want to end this war.

It seems as if the war has become almost an accepted reality for the American public. We are not shocked by news of deaths. And in some voter surveys, Iraq registers as the third most important issue.

With no draft it is almost like this is somebody else's war. But when the violence spikes [they pay attention]. And Vietnam is still fresh in people's minds. Yes, the war is down on page 8 [of the paper]. But now with the economy softening, I do think that people will make the connection. They will look at all these proposals and say: 'How the heck can we afford these things.' And they will look at how much money we are spending on the war.

Will our society be divided by this war even after it ends? Will the political and social fault lines be drawn around Iraq - much like they were, in the 80s and 90s around Vietnam?

The president still gets that standing ovation by saying it is the right thing to do. Yeah, that is a different crowd from the rest of America. And it is tied into continued fear about terrorism. So, yes, the potential is there for this battle to be waged for a long time.


 
 

Comments
181
Pending Comments
0

Want to reply to a comment? Hint: Click "Reply" at the bottom of the comment; after being approved your comment will appear directly underneath the comment you replied to

View Comments:
Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next › Last » (6 pages total)
- NeverRepublican See Profile I'm a Fan of NeverRepublican permalink

I never vote as a republican...but at least this guy was the ony re-puke-lican to vote "no" going into the war. Even though 77 senators did tell the Chimp-In-Charge it was at his disgression Bush COULD HAVE CHOOSE NOT TO START AN OCCUPATION.

Never vote rebuplican again....for 2000-2006 has shown me...and you I hope...why.

NEVER VOTE republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 03/14/2008
- timothe See Profile I'm a Fan of timothe permalink

It is your attitude that caused the problem in the first place...don't you see that? People on your side of the aisle voted for the war to save their skin.

Perhaps if your first criteria for a candidate was that he/she has strong convictions, our government would do more for its people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 03/14/2008
- BoThomasReed See Profile I'm a Fan of BoThomasReed permalink

A true American, the kind of American that the founders intended to be in our government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 03/14/2008
- TLV See Profile I'm a Fan of TLV permalink

The Dems controlled the Senate in 2002? Is this man delusional?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 03/14/2008
- jbatch See Profile I'm a Fan of jbatch permalink

Mr. Stein:

This would be a good piece if it weren't for your intro. In it, you propogate a number of myths when you say, "History SO FAR has proved Chaffee presicent"? So far? Prescient?

Let's be clear. Chaffee was honorable. He was courageous. He was principled. But prescient? And "right so far"? No.

It did not take prescience to know Bush's case was bogus, and there is nothing that will change that fact in the future. That Bush lied and had no case is not an open question and is not subject to change. So please drop the "so far."

And because it was both obvious and knowable to anyone who examned the question back in 2002, it did not take presicence.

I understand you're trying to say that Sen Chaffee forecast many of the bad outcomes back then, but here again, the State Department, the CIA, the Army War College, and a collection of senior generals including Shinskeki and Zinni called these outcomes, too.

I'm all for giving Chaffee credit for his courageous stand but you're a journalist, Mr. Stein. Have a care in how you express things. You unwittingly give cover to the Bush apologists when you act as if this whole fiasco was not obvious to anyone who cared to look, and in that, you give the Hillary Clinton and John McCains of the world cover.

The reason we're in Iraq now is poltical cowardice, not because anyone was fooled. The NIE report in October 2002 was clear and unambiguous -- Bush was lying. Lincoln Chaffee deserves credit and our gratitutde for having the courage to oppose the war. But it was not a special act of fortune-telling nor is it going to change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 03/14/2008
- rjcrane See Profile I'm a Fan of rjcrane permalink

I really like Sen. Chafee and can't wait to read his new book coming out very soon. But I hope he tells us which Democratic Senators were actually conned by Bush into supporting that War Resolution BECAUSE they believed that the White House needed this Authority to make a strong case at the UN to send the UN weapons inspectors back into Iraq believing if this happened it would avert not start a war and which Dems really understood that war was very likely and still failed to vote against the War Res and also didn't support the Levin Amendment. We already know that most all of the Senators believed the false Intel on Saddam's WMDs including the ones who voted against the war. What we don't know for sure is what Senators Bush conned into voting for that War Res because they trusted Bush more than Carl Levin that he would use force only as a last resort. In other words I wonder which Dem Senators were surprised when Bush pulled the weapons inspectors out of Iraq before they could complete their mission while not finding any WMDs so he could begin his war? This was a war everyone knew had to begin in early spring or else it would have to wait for another year. Obviously Bush didn't think at the time when he concocted his war scheme that Saddam would allow these inspectors back in.

It is my belief that most all Senators should never have trusted Bush to send him back to the UN with that War Res and a handshake that he would keep his word and only use force as a last resort. I also agree with Sen. Chafee that Bush did an excellent job of selling fear and attempting to link Saddam to 9/11 to justify his war. I also agree that all of these decisions were being made in a climate of post-9/11 fearmongering and an upcoming election where the Dems didn't want to look weak defending the country by not supporting a President with high approval ratings at this time.

So I would really like to know which Dem Senators were not only negligent in not doing their homework about WMD intel and challenging Bush on this Intel, but I also want to know which Dems voted for that War Res based more on their own political calculations versus really believing that sending Bush back to the UN was the best thing to do and were conned into believing that Bush would only use force as a last resort.

RJ Crane, topplebush.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 03/14/2008
- speakingtruth2power See Profile I'm a Fan of speakingtruth2power permalink


Fear and loathing! Fear and loathing!

It's what they do and it works very well.

Appealing to peoples baser instincts,

they put raw emotion above all reason.

God Damn those Masters of War!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 03/14/2008
- plages See Profile I'm a Fan of plages permalink

How about an Obama / Chafee ticket? Now, that would be working both sides of the aisle. Then, Webb could have the Pentagon, for eight years, then the presidency for another eight years, then billary would be extremely close to "80!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 03/14/2008
- sparafucilli See Profile I'm a Fan of sparafucilli permalink

Iraq will disappear from peoples minds overwhelmed by economic issues. Bread and butter survival issues will dominate. The threat from "out there" will be superseded by the chaos from within. And as America's economy dwindles so will foreigner's perception of it as a super power and the source of all evil. Al Qaeda will see attacks on America as significantly less fruitful in marketing terms and will focus on other targets to position their brand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 03/14/2008
- HmblDog See Profile I'm a Fan of HmblDog permalink

I wish we would refer to it as the occupation of Iraq instead of the Iraq war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 03/14/2008
- AndyNiable See Profile I'm a Fan of AndyNiable permalink

Totally agree on that, Hmbl. We won the "war" and are now an occupying force.

But the truth of that--and the implication that it frames the United States as an empire--is just too much for Middle America to handle, even as it presents the conflict in a way that's unwinnable (like the so-called "wars" on drugs or terror). You don't "win" an occupation, so there's no "victory" for them to celebrate, so they sink into denial of the truth.

So sad, and so deadly, as their sons and daughters continue to die.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 03/15/2008
- thirteen13 See Profile I'm a Fan of thirteen13 permalink

Great, no one wants to talk about how the Iraq war is costing in real terms, at the pump and home heating oil.

Can someone please tell me why we are still in Iraq?

Remember China and Russia? China owns us and Russia is gloated with oil and natural gas. While we squander our wealth and resources in Iraq, China and Russia share military tacticts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 03/14/2008
- BlackWidowPilot See Profile I'm a Fan of BlackWidowPilot permalink

thirteen,

I happen to be a Military Historian. I measure the cost of the Iraq debacle in *blood.*

China and Russia are busier eyeing each other with one hand upon their respective sabers, than they are sharing tactics. Their rivalry runs back centuries before We The People came on the world scene.

IMHO We The People should be far more concerned with the enemies in our midst -especially the ones in the White House and Congress currently- than any foreign entanglements. The damage done to us already by the "Busheviks" in our midst is far greater than the combined armies of Russia and the PRC could ever hope to do, were they actually capable of reaching our shores.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 03/14/2008
- realpolitic See Profile I'm a Fan of realpolitic permalink

Very true, Citizen Erickson!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 03/15/2008
- Wilbur See Profile I'm a Fan of Wilbur permalink

I'm confused. I don't understand how former Senator Chafee can claim that former Senator Paul Wellstone (D-MN) referred to the "Mission Accomplished" time period of the Iraq debacle (May, 2003) as "dual victories in the war on terror" when Wellstone was assassinated in October of '02 while running for re-relection to the U.S. Senate (they called it an accidental plane crash, but the FACTS suggest otherwise). Was Sen. Chafee referring to someone else?

Wilbur

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 03/14/2008
- serenegeezer See Profile I'm a Fan of serenegeezer permalink

Let me rant for a minute on the careless, irresponsible, and abusive use of the English language by many people (like Senator Chaffee) who are educated to know better. This is not just a matter of correctness or elegance......it is a matter of the truth.

Case in point, Chaffee writes:

"The administration was just brilliant with their marketing. I still marvel at the weapons of mass destruction. It never got defined."

The marketing was not brilliant it was just the repetition of completely unsubstantiated lies. What made it work was the bovine stupidity, passivity, and fear (of political damage to themselves) on the part of those who were charged with oversight and with the responsibility to maintain a balance of power. There were plenty of us very average citizens out here in Kansas...yes KANSAS who were not taken in for a second by this "brilliant" marketing.

To respect the language and the truth would be to use the word "unprincipled" in place of "brilliant".

This constant inaccurate use of euphemistic adjectives and adverbs by people in public life, which does serve to protect their colleagues, subliminally misinforms the American people with very destructive results.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 03/14/2008
- jennbeez See Profile I'm a Fan of jennbeez permalink

Yes!!! It was the same in NC. I remember distinctly when Bushco began beating the war drums for Iraq, ordinary people such as my husband and myself going around saying "Iraq? IRAQ?? Is the Congress going to let them get away with that laughable lie?? A connection between a strictly secular dictator like Saddam Hussein and a jihadist nutball like Bin Laden? Oh come on!"

Five years later, and we're no longer laughing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 03/15/2008
- darcy See Profile I'm a Fan of darcy permalink

Right as rain, serenegeezer!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 03/14/2008
- trumbull9 See Profile I'm a Fan of trumbull9 permalink

Until we have a president who doesn't choose to govern by keeping the citizens afraid (or until the citizens stop being afraid), nothing will change. A handful of people speaking out against it (Chafee, Byrd, Obama) can never outweigh the power of a president. Bush governed WITH fear and also IN fear. The days and months after 9/11 were certainly scary times for many Americans. But it didn't help that courage was so lacking among our leaders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 03/14/2008
- considerthis See Profile I'm a Fan of considerthis permalink

Which is exactly why I am now opossed to Hillary Clinton. That 3am phone call ad pushed me off the fence to Obama's team.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 03/14/2008
- mi See Profile I'm a Fan of mi permalink

Senator Chaffee is a man of honor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 03/14/2008
- Malarcus See Profile I'm a Fan of Malarcus permalink

"abandoned the Republican Party after loosing his re-election run"

"Loosing?" Are you kidding me? I would love to think this was a typo but have been seeing this butchering of "losing" in increasing instances. Is this somehow becoming an acceptable variant of losing or have even our reporters given up on English?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 03/14/2008
- treadway123 See Profile I'm a Fan of treadway123 permalink

He abandoned what they stand for and he has a right to do that> I jumped ship to vote for Obasma, and I don't feel a bit bad for doing it! Hundreds of us republicans have decided that we don't need this war and Mccain will stay the course. We decided long ago that Hillary Clinton had her chance like chaffee did to vote against this war, and she did not! She is not ready to be commander an Chief! I don't want her ans. any white house phone, or have her hand on any crisis or panic button that would send us into another war. Her moves are done for Political reasons and not for the best interest of this country. So please, when you put republicans down-----------I beg you to realize Hillary Clinton is more of a Republican than some of we are, and she's make a great v.p. for John Mccain-----------they think a lot alike when it comes to wanting war and blood shed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 03/14/2008
- Wilbur See Profile I'm a Fan of Wilbur permalink

Malarcus:

People today cannot use proper grammar, they cannot spell and they cannot think. How many times do you seeing stuff like, "WHOSE going to go to the party," "That dog is YOUR'S," etc., etc. Americans have been dumbed-down in all areas for the last three decades, but it is especially telling in the area's (sic - purposeful error to accentuate that about which I'm writing) of math, English and grammar. Its (sic - another purposeful error) all part of the decline of this nation.

Wilbur

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 03/14/2008
- jennbeez See Profile I'm a Fan of jennbeez permalink

Best one I recall was a giant valentine display in a dollar store that read "BE MINES."

I shook my head and chuckled at the same time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 03/15/2008
- petsounds See Profile I'm a Fan of petsounds permalink

AMEN! Someone on a different thread on this Web site just posted about a scene full of "vile and vitroul." And don't forget history and geography in your dumbing-down litany.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 03/14/2008
- sebocd See Profile I'm a Fan of sebocd permalink

Well stated. Thank you Sister Mary-Wilbur. They told me you were dead but I see you are stiil alive and kicking. Thanks be to God (the Catholic One of course, Who can neither deceive or be deceived!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 03/14/2008
- darcy See Profile I'm a Fan of darcy permalink

"How many times do you seeing stuff ..."

As the above proves, Wilbur, anyone can make a typo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 03/14/2008
Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next › Last » (6 pages total)
Comments are closed for this entry

You must be logged in to reply to this comment. Log in