Sam Stein

BIO

Sam Stein

The Huffington Post

Bob Graham: Iraq War Vote Was Commander In Chief Test

Bob Graham: Iraq War Vote Was Commander In Chief Test

March 14, 2008 10:13 AM


digg Share this on Facebook Huffpost - stumble reddit del.ico.us RSS

Former Sen. Bob Graham is staying neutral in the Democratic presidential race. But when it comes to defining the qualities that make a good commander-in-chief, he's espousing talking points that sound eerily similar to Barack Obama's.

"I don't believe there is a school you can go to, to train to be commander-in-chief," Graham said in an interview with the Huffington Post. "I think the qualities you are looking for would include, judgment, the willingness to surround yourself with strong people, listening to a diversity of ideas and then forming a conclusion. I think curiosity is important.

"If there had been a little more curiosity in the fall 2002 -- if the questions had been asked -- [it] would have raised a lot of suspicions," he said, referencing the Iraq war authorization vote. "I think you have to look to see whether those qualities exist. And if they do, you have reason to believe that the person who has those qualities would become an effective commander-in-chief."

Graham, who headed the Senate Intelligence Committee in the run up to Iraq, famously declared his war opposition after reading the National Intelligence Estimate, a document he thought did not make the case (and one that Sen. Hillary Clinton has acknowledged not reading). That aside, Graham noted that "experience" in and of itself was not a prerequisite for becoming leader of America's armed forces.

"If you look at recent presidents, certainly George W. Bush didn't have any commander-in-chief experience, neither had Bill Clinton," he said. "George H. W. Bush had served in the military. Reagan didn't serve in the military. Carter was an Annapolis graduate. He was probably as close to what you would consider prepared to be commander-in-chief of the recent presidents."

The Florida Democrat was less hesitant to weigh in on the other major campaign issue of the day -- what to do about Florida's delegates -- in part because he simply didn't have the magic bullet to resolve the crisis. But he did offer some detailed analysis and colorful metaphors.

On Florida's decision to move up its primary and the DNC's retaliation of stripping the state of its delegates:

"This was like a bank robbery. The Republicans [who controlled the legislature and governor's chair and pushed to move up the primary] were in the vault, putting their money in the bags. The Democrats were in the car out on the street, ready to drive the bank robbers away after the heist. The bank robbers in the vault got a light tap on the wrist [from the RNC] and we got a chainsaw that took off our right arm."

On what to do to get those delegates counted at the convention:

"Our options are not many and none of them are very good. There has been a lot of interest in maybe a mail-in ballot because it is not inexpensive. But apparently there are a lot of legal problems with doing a mail-in ballot [Florida's entire House delegation opposes the idea as well]... The other two options are to try and run a full scale primary, which will be very expensive and difficult because many counties use this period in the spring and summer to switch out machinery and a number of counties say they can't physically put on an election... The third is to have a caucus, but that has never been our tradition, and it doesn't seem to have gotten much lift."

So what should be done?

"We are in a real mess. If Michigan and Florida are sufficiently teed off as a result of it, then it changes enough votes to put them in the Republican column. That represents about 45 or so electoral votes, which would be more than the margin of victory in most recent presidential elections. So it is a very bad place for Democrats. We are waiting for the Huffington Post to give us a creative option."

Um... Don't hold your breath.


 
Comments
775
Pending Comments
0
iPhone App Promo

Want to reply to a comment? Hint: Click "Reply" at the bottom of the comment; after being approved your comment will appear directly underneath the comment you replied to

View Comments:
Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next › Last » (9 pages total)
photo

My friends, we need to stay in Iraq for another 100 years. What idiot said this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 03/16/2008
photo

This Iraqi war is now crippling the American economy. Look at the Presidential candidates who voted for the war - and there you have your leaders who are ready to be commander in chief.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 03/16/2008

Bet Graham is thinking twice on the judgement question when it comes to Obama after hearing his minister and hearing about Resko. If judgement is the #1 reason he questions Clinton and as we can see his judgement was flawed from the beginning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

You know what ,I wish that all you Clintonbots would get together in one room, to arrive at some new
talking points, the ones you have are boring. I'm sure that Sen. Graham and is not as immature as
you seem to be, so I doubt that he will flip flop on Obama just because the msm or the Clinton Camp
pass gas.

About the judgement thing, I think Sen. Graham probably based his judgement about Hillary on much than just her vote for the war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

What judgment? Oh! choosing that Church and pastor? Let me tell you something. Nothing related to religion is rational. Therefore, it has nothing to do with judgment. Yes, I do agree that Obama did a dumb thing when he accepted Jesus. Fucked him up for life, in some ways. Luckily, he is able to spearate his faith nonsense from real life. That's how he made the right judgment about Iraq war.

Regarding Hillary, she always sides with the NeoCons. I call that bad judgment, but she might not. She might think that that is the right way to go, just as McBomb does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

Go and read Pierre Bayle. Religion and a rational life are opposites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 03/16/2008

folks have no doubt that leading up to the general election we will have some sort of terrorist related threat, i think we can also count on heightened alerts with those cute little color coded warning dots.
as long as they can the republicans will do anything to hold the presidency.
sound familiar?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

Mostly.... except you forgot to say.....

My Friends....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 03/15/2008

All that is needed is a single incident. The Republican Congress gave authority to Bush to declare virtual martial law should he see fit. If he does there is essentially no recourse to eith Congress or the Courts. Now you should understand why the Bush bunch are making such an effort to keep the National Guard Units assigned to Iraq. Originally, National Guard Units reported to the state governors but the Republican Congress gave that away too when they allowed the President to "Nationalize" a State's Guard without having to obtain permission from the Governer. And if that doesn't make you thin, try this... the Bush administration contracted security in New Orleans follwing Katrina to Blackwater. If you have a serious civil disturbance just who do you think the Bush bunch will call on to assist the police and maintain security during the election?

WAKE UP!! Blackwater is no different than the Brownshirts that "maintained" order in Germany.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

Scary as hell, but absolutely plausible. Thanks, Tom!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 03/16/2008

Hi scandal, I just got back, don't see much on this page, are there are any other threads open?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 03/15/2008

i demand all the candidates need to renounce, reject, repudiate, declaim, rebuke, vituperate, impugn, spurn, abandon, abjure, discard, dump, flush, desert, break with, cast off, dismiss, disown, and of course give a swift kick in the ass to anyone they have ever known or employed who said anything that can even slightly be misconstrued as not politically correct.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

LOL!

Wow.... my ass hurts!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

AdLib.... do you need another hint?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

Yep, one more please, I do want to figure it out!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 AM on 03/16/2008
photo

No re-vote for Florida or Michigan. This year is not such an uphill climb for Dems. The primaries will be ancient history by November. Gas will be over $4.00. Iraq will be as corrupt and dangerous and costly as ever.

It IS a perfect scenario for an October Suprise terrorist attack, though. In that case, MI & FL wouldn't matter anyway as the defacto coalition between neocons and Islamic terrorists get their dream candidate McCain over the top.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

If there was an "October Surprise" attack.... Would that not be the current presidents fault... after all.... he will still be president......... That being true, why would anyone vote for a Republican, when obviously they can not keep us safe.......... so McCain would lose to the Democratic nominee by a landslide.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

McCain has tried out the fear card by warning that Al Qaeda will interfere with elections on behalf of the Dems. So on 9/11, the main thing Osama Bin Laden was thinking was, "Mmm, by making Americans fearful and rally around the president, this should help Bush gain a larger GOP majority in the 2002 congressional elections."

Just as I thought. Bin Laden is a closet Republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

Just the opposite, Al Qaeda would seem less likely to stage an attack before the election because Bush could go hard core (nukes?) with no fear of losing his office and the election would become about who could top the other in how violently they would respond to the attack.

Also, Al Qaeda couldn't help but see how the world rallied to America, right now most of the world holds the U.S. in contempt, seems that they would like the status quo (along with our financial system in melt down). An attack would only help their enemy in the long run, just don't think they'd go there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 03/15/2008
photo


Gas is now over $5 a gallon in California.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 03/16/2008
photo

Michigan needs to have another vote......

That, and why I am having trouble getting new posts to show up? All of them, not just mine........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 03/15/2008

i see your posts

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

I posted back to borderorder at 6:06 pm.... it just showed up when yours did.... and it was very odd, what it has been doing... sometimes the page comes up with the new posts, then I refresh to see if anything new has come up, and the new posts are gone.... and after a bit of time and refreshing the posts come back....

Must have a ghost in the machine or something.... it was happening last night too.... Weird.... LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

I see your posts too, I think your machine is playing games with you. A ghost cache, perhaps. Yes, people arriving soon, cocktails - must get ready.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

How fun!!! Have an excellent time tonight... : )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 03/15/2008

ok we have a two candidates who have surrogates who have not said the smartest things.
we have two candidates who have some skeletons, obama has rezko, hillary currently has hsu as well as many old scandals that the republicans would surely revise should hillary somehow spirit the nomination from obama.
then of course we have a candidate who is willing to show everything regarding earmarks and tax returns, which is obama. clinton on the other hand will not show the public (the people who she is asking to trust her by voting for her) any tax returns since 2001, refuses to show her earmarks, and also has refused to release any documents from bill clintons presidency till present.
so before you vote or decide to support a candidate use some common sense. if there was nothing dishonest about hillarys finances or past documents then why on earth not show them.
there is only one conclusion to draw.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

I prefer openness and honesty.... Why won't she let us see any documents.... That is as bad as the White House now.... That is exactly what we don't need..........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

There is a bit on the telly of McCain talking about the economy, taxes and healthcare.....

I wish this Democratic primary thing were over.... and I could watch Senator Obama debate Senator McCain.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 03/15/2008

Sen. Graham was privileged to all the intelligence (or maybe more correctly, lack of 'Intelligence), but couldn't tell the citizens of this country the truth because the 'Evil Doers" might find out the plans of the Bush/Cheney Administration.

Too bad his sister, Katherine Graham, passed away before her 'Washington Post' was allowed to print what Sen. Graham already knew.

Just to one correction regarding military service. Ronald Reagan (in my opinion, not a great president) did indeed serve honorably in the US Army although, not in combat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 03/15/2008

Senator Graham was not the brother of Katherine Graham.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 03/15/2008

riverhouse- My apologies. Katherine was indeed Sen. Grahams sister-in-law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 03/15/2008


Do Americans never ask themselves WHY the majority of the world would not agree to Bush's war from the onset? Because they PLAINLY saw and reached the SAME conclusion that Barack Obama did ... basically, Bush was floating a bunch of crap and manipulating a traumatized nation.

Obama was not TAKEN IN. Obama was NOT ASLEEP at the switch. Obama was NO SHEEP. Obama was NOT FOOLED. Obama HAD THE SENSE and GUTS and JUDGMENT to SAY NO to a stupid, senseless, illegal and pre-emptive war that has brought America to its knees. He KNEW it was a lie ... He KNEW it was WRONG.

Quite frankly, the rest of the world couldn't figure out how the congress, senate and people of the most powerful nation in the world could not know too, and this is when America toppled off its pedestal ... this when America lost its credibility as a leader on the world stage.

Obama is a Commander and Chief to the core ... not that he won't make mistakes ... but his vision is less clouded ... his mind less polluted ... his soul less corrupted by years and years in Washington. He brings a FRESH HONESTY and INTEGRITY and REALISM to the job that has been sadly lacking. He comes across as strong, steady, calm, balanced and thoughtful. He comes across as a Leader ... someone you can trust ... someone who strives for excellence.

He also brings positive, progressive, exciting, new leadership to a country that's been sadly missed in its leadership role on the world stage. America has so much ground to make up in the world that only BOLD CHANGE and a BOLD, NEW leader will grab the worlds attention ... that will convince it that perhaps real CHANGE HAS COME TO AMERICA, and that America is working diligently to once again take its place on the world stage as a trusted and respected nation.

If America does not grab this opportunity NOW, it may very well NEVER recoup its reputation and status in the world, and that would be tragic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 03/15/2008

One little flaw in your making senator Obama a true comander in chief. For starters, he was not in the senate, he did not have to vote for anything, he was not bombarded by the majority republicans daily as to being soft on terrorism, soft on crime and were not patriotic enough to protect their own country from another attackl. People do you not remember these times? Barack was in Illinois, far away from what our senators had on a daily basis from the majority party. When we had a great war hero from Vietnam days a three amputee running for a second term in the senate only to be accussed of being unpatriotic and not worthy of his second term. That great senator was Max Cleland and he lost his bid to the republican who was going to fight to keep American strong. People wake up! This is how it was in the senate for our democrats. Even Edwards, Clinton, and Kerry along with many of our democrats voted for the bill. But I don't think they really counted on a war, they thought to make the president's stand against Saddam a little stronger so that they would push him to allow the UN people to do; their work. But as we know now, Bush had other plans and used the vote as a vote for war. If you are to be honest, Then admit what senator Obama said once and had it up on his site once, that he did not know how he would vote if he were in the senate at that time. But to hear him now, it is an entirely different slant on his own words that he took down and will not show again. But too many of us heard and saw that statement to forget it!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

You are much too easy on Senators Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, et. al. It wasn't just that they were being bullied by the big bad Republicans, they (especially our dear hawk Hillary) thought they might be left out of the victory parade. They knew damn well war was coming, didn't you? Of course, Hillary didn't bother reading the intelligence report, I guess she thought she had absorbed enough intelligence hanging out at the White House.

As far as Obama goes. He stood against the war and he was running for election so he wasn't exactly taking an easy ride. He said later he didn't know how he might have voted had he been in the U.S. Senate, since he wasn't privy to the intellegence report. But of course Hillary was privy and didn't avail herself. I say that's 1 point for Obama and -12 for HC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

One ENORMOUS flaw with your apologist piece on Hillary and trying to diminish Obama's brave stand for against the war at a time when it took guts to do so...

...NEARLY HALF OF DEMOCRATIC SENATORS, 22 DEMOCRATIC SENATORS, VOTED AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR BILL THAT HILLARY VOTED FOR. Your argument actually hurts Hillary, she folded under the pressure when nearly half her colleagues didn't. That's who we want as president?

Many of those Senators read the NIE report which lead them to doubt the wisdom and veracity of Bush while Hillary never did (why didn't she want to know all the important information about such an enormously dangerous issue before rushing to vote for it? What kind of judgment is that?). Hillary's 35 years of experience lead her to a decision that she likely thought was best to make in helping prove how tough she was when she ran for president. It was a cynical, calculated vote reeking of personal ambition.

BTW, Obama was running for the U.S. Senate while opposing the war, he had everything to lose if the majority of voters opposed his stand. Even back in 2002, they had television and newspapers, he would've known that it could have doomed any presidential bid if the majority's opinion didn't change by 2008 and they trotted out quotes and video of this "anti-America" position. People forget, now that the vast majority opposes the war, that a threatened minority used to be the ones opposing the war.

It took guts and judgment overriding ambition in the political climate of 2002 for any politician who wanted a future in national politics to stand against the war. Trying to diminish Obama for doing so is showing just the opposite of the bravery he showed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 03/15/2008

Well, I and millions of other Americans weren't in the Senate, either, and had no vote on Iraq and there's the pity because we all, like Obama, knew it was one of the most catastrophic mistakes America could ever make. And we and Obama have been proven correct. Hillary is the loser in this argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

As an immigrant, I wholeheartedly agree!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 03/16/2008

I have a solution. Typically, Convention Delegates are only required to vote for the candidate they are committed to for some number of votes or until released by the candidate. Here's is one possible solution to the issue.

#1. Seat the Michigan and Flordia delegates so they can participate in all the Convention discussions and activities.

#2. Do not count the votes from the Flordia or Michigan delegations until: A) the number of votes have been taken that trigger the release of delegates frorm their committed candidate, or B) one of the candidates that have committed delegates releases his delegates to vote for another candidate.

This way, if Clinton can convince one of the candidates that have suspended their campaign but still hold their delegates to release them to either herself or to Obama then it immeadiately allows the Michigan and Flordia delegate votes to be tabulated and included in the totals.


Frankly, with all the rancor that is going on I'm hoping that the Convention will be hung until the required number of votes have been taken that releases delegates and then John Edwards can come in and compete for the nomination on the Convention floor. It has happened before.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 03/15/2008
photo


The day Reverend Wright helped Obama find Jesus, Obama should have known that he was fucked for life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 03/15/2008

Don't even go there, just because you don't believe, you ought to have some sensitivity. Are you an atheist? I know some atheists. Are you all right today? You seem a little wistful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 03/15/2008
photo


I prefer truth over sensitivity. Hey! don't vote for me if that bothers you.

I am feeling great and having good fun. You?

Yes, I guess you could call me an atheist, although I don't like the term because it implies adherence to some doctrine called "atheism". I prefer not to adhere to any "isms". But, for the lack of a better word, yes, I am an atheist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 03/15/2008

Michigan will have a revote which hopefully will "untee-off" many of the voters. Actually, here their vote does really count more now.

FL is screwed. The GOP set the primary date. All the DNC had to do then was to allow the candidates to campaign in FL uder an "exception to policy" position (why? Because the FL Democrats had no control over the selection of the Primary date.) and allow Hillary, Barak and all the others to campaign. Then there would have no question as to their authenticity.

FL is going to McCain anyway, so it makes no difference in the general election. Hopefully the revote in Michigan will hold that state for the Dems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

Michigan is true blue to the end.... no worries there!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

Can't quite agree, it was a Dem who sponsored the bill and Dems voted for it overwhelmingly.

If the Dems there had withheld their votes, voted against it or voted for it under a very visible protest (I know the Repubs had bundled paper trails for voting machines with it), I would be with you on that but most seemed to happily vote for it so they would be earlier in the process, figuring they could always hide for cover behind the Repubs being the "bad cop" and having an inflated self-image that the DNC would never DARE sanction Florida!

They made their med, messed it up, if they can somehow remake it and stage a revote, great, otherwise, they willingly broke the rules and the "worst" penalty is that the delegates are seated equally for Hillary and Obama so the balance of the legit elections aren't undermined.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 03/15/2008
photo

Good Afternoon sir.............

I think here in Michigan we are going to be boring and just vote again... with both candidates on the ballot.... we are such a simple folk.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 03/15/2008
Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next › Last » (9 pages total)
Comments are closed for this entry

You must be logged in to reply to this comment. Log in  or  Connect

 

Send us tips and comments:

huffpolitics@huffingtonpost.com
GTalk/AIM: NicoPitneyIM


2007-09-27-feed.jpg FEED

HuffPost Reporters
Nico Pitney is National Editor at the Huffington Post.
Read More

Thomas B. Edsall is the Political Editor of the Huffington Post. He is also Joseph Pulitzer II and Edith Pulitzer Moore Professor at the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism.
Read More

Sam Stein is the White House correspondent for the Huffington Post. Previously he worked for Newsweek Magazine, the New York Daily News and the investigative journalism group Center for Public Integrity.
Read More

Ryan Grim is the senior congressional correspondent for the Huffington Post. He is a former staff reporter with Politico.com and Washington City Paper.
Read More

Jason Linkins is editor of Huffington Post's media commentary blog Eat the Press. He is based in Washington, DC, and previously contributed to DCist and Wonkette.
Read More

Rachel Weiner is Associate Politics Editor at the Huffington Post.
Read More

Katharine Zaleski is the Senior News Editor at the Huffington Post. She is based in New York.
Read More