House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. speaks during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington in this Jan. 29, 2008 file photo. Pelosi says it would be damaging to the Democratic party for its leaders to buck the will of national convention delegates picked in primaries and caucuses, a declaration that gives a boost to Sen. Barack Obama. (AP Photos/Susan Walsh, File)

Pelosi's Delegate Stance Boosts Obama

DAVID ESPO | March 16, 2008 05:12 AM EST | AP


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WASHINGTON — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says it would be damaging to the Democratic party for its leaders to buck the will of national convention delegates picked in primaries and caucuses, a declaration that gives a boost to Sen. Barack Obama.

"If the votes of the superdelegates overturn what's happened in the elections, it would be harmful to the Democratic party," Pelosi said in an interview taped Friday for broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week."

The California Democrat did not mention either Obama or his rival, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, by name. But her remarks seemed to suggest she was prepared to cast her ballot at the convention in favor of the candidate who emerges from the primary season with the most pledged delegates.

Obama leads Clinton by 142 pledged delegates _ those delegates picked in nomination contests to date, in The Associated Press' count.

Barring an unlikely string of landslide victories by the former first lady in the remaining states, he will end the primary season with a delegate lead, but short of the 2025 needed to win the nomination.

That gives the balance of power to the so-called superdelegates, prominent Democrats who are automatically entitled to attend the convention because of their status as members of Congress or other leaders. Clinton leads Obama for their support in the AP count, 249-213.

Pelosi's comments could influence other House Democrats who are neutral in the presidential race and will attend the convention as superdelegates.

In her interview, Pelosi also said that even if one candidate winds up with a larger share of the popular vote than the delegate leader, the candidate who has more delegates should prevail.

"It's a delegate race," she said. "The way the system works is that the delegates choose the nominee."

More than 500 delegates remain to be picked in primaries beginning on April 22 in Pennsylvania, which has 158 at stake on April 22.

In addition, Democrats in Michigan and Florida are demanding to have their delegations seated, even though they moved up the dates of their primaries to January in defiance of Democratic National Committee rules.

Clinton said Saturday she supports an effort by Michigan Democratic leaders to hold a do-over primary in early June, but the Obama campaign has not yet said whether it will agree. A full delegation would give the state 128 pledged delegates, not counting superdelegates.

In Florida, a plan for a mail-in primary appears doomed, leaving two major possibilities if the state's Democrats are to participate in selecting a nominee.

One is for a full-scale primary.

The other is a negotiated agreement in which Obama and Clinton split the 185 pledged delegates that would have been awarded had the Jan. 29 primary counted.

One prominent official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said there have been preliminary discussions among the state's House Democrats to see whether a compromise can be reached along those lines.

Clinton would have won 38 more delegates in the primary than Obama, had the primary results been used to award delegates, according to The Associated Press' calculations. Merely dividing the delegates evenly would leave Obama's delegate lead unchanged.

Obama appeared to open the door to some sort of agreement earlier this week, when he spoke of a procedure "that doesn't advantage one candidate or another too much."


 
 

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- IkeChicago See Profile I'm a Fan of IkeChicago permalink

Spurred by conservative talk radio, GOP voters who say they would never back Clinton in a general election are voting for her now for strategic reasons: Some want to prolong her bitter nomination battle with Barack Obama, others believe she would be easier to beat than Obama in the fall, or they simply want to register objections to Obama.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/17/many_voting_for_clinton_to_boost_gop/

The news media is hiding this story to keep the race going, man do we have a shit media, first they marched us off to war in Iraq, now they are hiding the facts and supporting Hillary to keep this dead race going.

Listen to the media, all of a sudden Obama is loosing the white vote, well he is not, the Rush Limbaugh Republicans are screwing with the nomination and screwing with the white vote percentages and the media knows it. Morning Joe si showing his true colors, Republican to the core, he refuses to touch this story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 AM on 03/17/2008
- weaselbasher See Profile I'm a Fan of weaselbasher permalink

You're absolutely right Ike. Its happening in Pennsylvania now. I live in a suburb of Philadelphia. Our county paper has a sound off section where folks anonymously call in and leave their comments. The paper then prints some of these comments. One caller was reminding all republicans they could change their registration to democrat to vote for Hillary in the primary then change it back to republican for the general election. I wonder how big the Obama lead would be if the cons werent voting for Hillary to throw the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 03/17/2008
- IkeChicago See Profile I'm a Fan of IkeChicago permalink

is this open

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 AM on 03/17/2008
- alwayslearning See Profile I'm a Fan of alwayslearning permalink

As with many of the Washington insiders who are supporting Senator Obama, I suspect Nancy Pelosi wants him in office so she can control him. She knows Senator Clinton is too strong for her. Nancy Pelosi has been a disappointment as a leader in the House. I hope she is voted out as Majority Leader next time. I am very nervous about her being third in line for the Presidency. Quite frankly, I think Senator Clinton should run as an Independent if she does not get the nomination. It sounds like it is time for the Democratic Party to disband.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 AM on 03/17/2008
- IkeChicago See Profile I'm a Fan of IkeChicago permalink

What an idiot you are, why don't you blog about things you understand. Pelosi is not majority leader, she is the Speaker of the House. Read more and blog less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 AM on 03/17/2008
- JXB See Profile I'm a Fan of JXB permalink

Finally someone in the Party leadership showing a little leadership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 03/17/2008
- Jacksonian See Profile I'm a Fan of Jacksonian permalink

It's too bad Pelosi didn't step in earlier and use her considerable influence to derail the runaway Clinton train. By scolding and shaming Obama and by comparing his foreign-policy credentials unfavorably with McCain's, Hillary needlessly dragged Obama down.

Now today's polls show BOTH of the Democrats trailing McCain in the general election. And they show McCain winning in Pennsylvania & Florida in November. So much for Clinton's phony "big-state" argument.

Instead of waiting for the results from ANY more primaries or caucuses, all of which Hillary would have to WIN by WIDE MARGINS, a significant number of the uncommitted super delegates should form a group and announce their support for Obama, leaving no doubt he will reach the magic number necessary.

Someone needs to rein in Sen. Clinton. She cannot win. All she is doing is dividing the party and looking like a sore loser. It's time for the powers that be-- if there are any in what is increasingly a pathetic party-- to give her the bad news: It's over, Hillary. Accept it. Exit gracefully.

Or if not gracefully, just exit. Please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 03/17/2008
- JXB See Profile I'm a Fan of JXB permalink

Well said. I agree Pelosi and other Party leaders should have stepped in forcefully after Wisconsin (and definitely after March 4th once the Clinton camp went negative and the results left the pledged delegate reality intact) to avoid what has been a pointless Party-harming exercise ever since.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 03/17/2008
- kennedy See Profile I'm a Fan of kennedy permalink

Nancy Pel. is lining her own corrupt pockets. And she knows she can control Obama. And she is willing to sell America to the devil. She needs to leave now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 AM on 03/17/2008
- kevenhussienseven See Profile I'm a Fan of kevenhussienseven permalink

Mark your calendar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 AM on 03/17/2008
- ErinG See Profile I'm a Fan of ErinG permalink

Chrissie Brodigan:

I"m at my wits" end, for Huffington Post moderators are cherry-picking comments. I never post comments that violate your comment policy, yet many of my comments are never displayed. The following comments to Rachel Sklar"s "SNL Shows Blatant Anti-Spitzer Bias, Endorses Obama" have yet to be displayed:

1. Right on!

2. Rachel: Several hours ago, I posted comments that have yet to be displayed. Are you cherry-picking comments?

3. I"m not a fan of Rachel Sklar.

4. Rachel Sklar Shows Blatant Anti-Obama Bias, Endorses Hillary

5. I"ve got news for you, Rachel Sklar: "SNL ran sketches based on MANUFACTURED political situations and exaggerated them for SINISTER effect!"

I urge you to address this matter, as I will soon defect.

Sincerely,
ErinG

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 03/17/2008
- AC500 See Profile I'm a Fan of AC500 permalink


Hillary needs to end this and end this soon ... she cannot win and will not win. If she does not cede the race ... soon ... the Super Delegates MUST end it for her. How else can the party rally and come together to fight the November election?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 03/17/2008
- kennedy See Profile I'm a Fan of kennedy permalink

The Super Delegates and the voters will end racist and anti-American Obamas run for the WH.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 AM on 03/17/2008
- ObGyn See Profile I'm a Fan of ObGyn permalink

Oregon AFSCME has endorsed Barack Obama for President of the United States. The union"s executive board made the endorsement today (March 15) in Portland.

http://www.oregonafscme.com/?zone=/unionactive/view_article.cfm&HomeID=82082

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 03/17/2008
- kennedy See Profile I'm a Fan of kennedy permalink

So they want to go down the drain with the anti-American Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 AM on 03/17/2008
- IntelligenceIsBliss See Profile I'm a Fan of IntelligenceIsBliss permalink

Since when is dissent considered treason? Since when is not slurping every drop of faux-patriotism served to you by the agents of the status quo considered bad, especially among Democrats who are supposed to be the party of anti-Establishment and intellectual pragmatism?

Oh, I forgot. There is a Clinton running for office this year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 03/17/2008
- ObGyn See Profile I'm a Fan of ObGyn permalink

Bush and Klinton are anti-American. Obama wants to repair the damage they caused. And if you support either Bush of Klinton, then you are a traitor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 AM on 03/17/2008
- AdLib See Profile I'm a Fan of AdLib permalink

The real question is, do the leaders of the DNC have the balls to follow through after PA on what Pelosi is saying here and what Richardson similarly said before OH and TX, namely, that the party and SDs will get behind the candidate who who ends up with the most Dels?

Obama just picked up a gain of 13 Dels this week from CA and IA finalizing counts (Hillary lost 1 in IA). Even if Hillary wins PA by 10% as she did OH, she wouldn't gain much more than Obama's 13.

So Hillary walks out of PA no better off than she was last week. FL revote looks unlikely, MI seems more favoring to Obama so if the revote happens it's unlikely to profit Hillary, will the DNC step in and stop this futile and damaging campaign of Hillary's by jumping aboard the Obama train with SDs in full force to put him over the top?

Or will they spinelessly let this drag on like a long root canal until August?

Any predictions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 03/16/2008
- JXB See Profile I'm a Fan of JXB permalink

Another question: why should the superdelegates and Party leadership let it get as far as PA? You are right, nothing really changes between now and PA or thereafter, and the Party and its chances in November are being harmed everyday that the negative attack posture first adopted by the Clinton camp in response to Obama's string of consecutive primary/caucus victories continues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 03/17/2008
- kennedy See Profile I'm a Fan of kennedy permalink

Cult members Hillary still has more Super Delegates than your GOD. And Hillary has been adding Super Delegates since her wins in Ohio, Texas and RI. The problem is the Obama butt kissing media doesn't report on it.

But in the end Super Delegates don't count until the convention anyway. Any Super Delegate can change their mind at anytime up until they vote. So anyone that says they are leaning a certain way today means less than nothing.

You Obama peple are so sad that you know nothing about the DEM party process. If you did you would know Senator Clinton will be president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 AM on 03/17/2008
- indie17 See Profile I'm a Fan of indie17 permalink

I wish I knew! I have been expecting a surge of superdelegates to voice their opinions. I gather that many of them want to wait until all the states have voted. I think this is reasonable, or would be, if Hillary wasn't taking the entire Democratic party and the future of our country down the toilet with her.

I guess I'll predict that after May 6th, when Obama wins North Carolina, a bunch of supers will board the Obama ship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 03/17/2008
- kennedy See Profile I'm a Fan of kennedy permalink

Obama and you cult people are trying to take the real DEM party and America down into the toilet with you. Sickening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 AM on 03/17/2008
- EvSmith See Profile I'm a Fan of EvSmith permalink

The tide, the momentum, the coattails, the message, the relevant numbers all belong to Barack Hussein Obama. The nomination process should conclude sooner than later.

Barack needs to start running against GOP John McCain aggressively. Hillary and her bloc of supporters need to stop wasting time and resources on more rebublican sleaze tactics. Sabotage is not an acceptable option for Hillary and her supporters to be engaging in. No one out to openly subvert the fortunes of the Dem party has any credibility at all. All of the arguments for nominating Hillary have been nulified by her campaigns constant attempts to sabotage the current statistical front runner for the Dem nomination. Barack was not pulling any punches when he said " We will be the nominee ".

The Clinton campaign is in total panic, desperate measures call for Rovian sabotage mode.

Going hard after Hillary and all her garbage/baggage is not in Barack's best interest at this point. He does not need to be constantly distracted by the likes of Wolfson and Penn, or Hillary and Bill for that matter( he's not done causing trouble yet.). The Clintons are indeed an " obstacle " in the way of the Dem party's success in November. She is now on foot, chasing a moving car that is excellerating up the highway on-ramp, screaming, voice cracking, shaking her fist and throwing rocks.

You are in our review mirror camp Hillary. 2012 will not be the destined year of your crowning either. You need to pack it in and find someone to give you a lift home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 03/16/2008
- indie17 See Profile I'm a Fan of indie17 permalink

Glad to see that Nancy made her intentions clear. She intends to follow the rules. Imagine that!

In her interview, Pelosi also said that even if one candidate winds up with a larger share of the popular vote than the delegate leader, the candidate who has more delegates should prevail.

"It's a delegate race," she said. "The way the system works is that the delegates choose the nominee."

Real Clear Politics has a different count of pledged delegates than the AP:

Obama 1415, Clinton 1245. That's a lead of 170.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 03/16/2008
- kennedy See Profile I'm a Fan of kennedy permalink

One bias count.. Obama will never be in the WH. Count on it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 AM on 03/17/2008
- Jacksonian See Profile I'm a Fan of Jacksonian permalink

If Obama does not end up in the WH, it will be because of racist Democrats who bought into Hillary's race baiting and kept him out. So if you "Reagan Democrats" elect McCain, you'll get what you deserve: a continuation of the Bush presidency.

All of you so-called Democrats who elected Reagan and the two Bushes reveal your ignorance when you empower the party of the elite interests to represent you. Then you stand back and do nothing while they plunder the national treasury and reward their cronies. Reagan was a master race baiter. So Hillary can talk in code too. And her faithful supporters carry her cross.

When McCain extends the tax cuts for the rich and keeps us in Iraq, take comfort in knowing that Hillary is eligible for the tax cuts and that she helped get us into the war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 03/17/2008
- RichLiberal See Profile I'm a Fan of RichLiberal permalink


Notice that she said "delegates" not "pledged" or "super". Based on the exact words her statement means nothing, because if the super-delegates vote for Hillary then "delegates" are "delegates".

I know in the past she has slipped up on this, and she obviously sensed danger as in my post about 100 posts back on this thread.

She wanted to say "pledged" delegates, but she now senses that is the nuclear option.

Pelosi not only needs to be removed as Speaker in January, she needs to be removed as whatever she is in the Convention. I know she won't be, but it would be the correct thing to do. She clearly is incapable of showing balance or fairness to the process.

The basic argument shaping up is that:
- Clinton wins the popular vote.
- Clinton wins 300+ electoral votes based on states she has won
- the Bush economy is in the tank
- the Clinton team has dug us out of this mess before
- Obama not only has no foreign policy experience, he has no economic experience. It will be increasingly clear that there is no justification for making him President. They might as well grab someone off the street like Eddie Murphy in Trading Places and make him President. I know - racist - Murphy is black so this must be a huge racial slur. In fact, that seems to be the one quality that Obama has shown that makes him unique. He has single-handedly made race appear to be a big issue in this campaign. Note it is a totally false issue: no one has been discriminated against. No one has been attacked or otherwise physically had the slightest hair on their head even disturbed. This whole thing is not about racism, it's about how to smear the Clintons.

But I digress.

The absurdity of the whole thing cries out for an explanation. i.e. what is the underlying logic behind the clear lack of logic on the surface. Why don't the Dems just dump this guy?

Well, one thing that's bugged me since the start was this GenX vs the Baby Boomers theme that Obama wrote about in his book (if he even wrote the book! another blogger today found that he had divisive inflammatory sermons by Wright quoted in the book - I haven't read it but the blogger quoted it - and I thought how could he be denying on TV with a straight face that he never heard Wright say any of this? And now it turns up it's in his book! If that's true, I bet he didn't even write the book - wouldn't that be a kick - but again that's a digression).

In his book he said everyone was tired of the Baby Boomers and our old "issues" and it was time to move on. Originally I took this as an insult, and figured how could the guy piss off a whole generation and stay in the race? But stay he has.

Now I come across this article by Andrew Sullivan from back in Nov in Atlantic called "Goodby to all that". Now I'm no Andrew Sullivan fan, but I started reading this thing and realized this might be actually what this whole thing is all about.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/obama
He says:
"Goodbye to All That: Why Obama Matters
The logic behind the candidacy of Barack Obama is not, in the end, about Barack Obama. It has little to do with his policy proposals, which are very close to his Democratic rivals" and which, with a few exceptions, exist firmly within the conventions of our politics. It has little to do with Obama"s considerable skills as a conciliator, legislator, or even thinker. It has even less to do with his ideological pedigree or legal background or rhetorical skills. Yes, as the many profiles prove, he has considerable intelligence and not a little guile. But so do others, not least his formidably polished and practiced opponent Senator Hillary Clinton. "
...
"At its best, the Obama candidacy is about ending a war"not so much the war in Iraq, which now has a mo­mentum that will propel the occupation into the next decade"but the war within America that has prevailed since Vietnam and that shows dangerous signs of intensifying, a nonviolent civil war that has crippled America at the very time the world needs it most. It is a war about war"and about culture and about religion and about race. And in that war, Obama"and Obama alone"offers the possibility of a truce. "

So, it's not even Obama himself who wants to screw the Baby Boomers. It's Ted Kennedy (b 1932), Nancy Pelosi (b 1940), and a whole host of others.

It's the "No Name In Between Generation" that is using Obama to screw the Baby Boomers. These people were born after the "Greatest Generation" and before the "Baby Boomers". Roughly between 1930 and 1944.

These are the people who in the 1960s were the "don't trust anybody over 30" people.

They hated us because they missed out on everything. They missed out on WWII. They had Elvis, he was cool, but they didn't have the Beatles. They didn't have the sex, drugs, and rock and roll that the Baby Boomers had. And they have hated us ever since.

Now they are trying to "skip over" us. And Obama is their man. This empty-suited gas bag. It all suddenly fits how this guy is so resilient despite the fact there is nothing there. Why he is continually promoted despite the fact that he has started a virtual race war all by himself.

Basically, Ted and Nancy and their crew are telling people roughly in the age range of 48-64 that our time is past and it's time to step aside and make way for GenX.

I've got news for Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi: this thing is just beginning. The sleeping dog awoke in Ohio and Texas and has been looking around to see what the disturbance is all about. Well, guess what? As Bill Clinton said when they tried to impeach him. We'll be fighting til the last dog dies.





    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 03/16/2008
- ReasonIsMyReligion See Profile I'm a Fan of ReasonIsMyReligion permalink

Wow. Just wow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 AM on 03/17/2008
- EvSmith See Profile I'm a Fan of EvSmith permalink

Sabotage the party and it's leadership because you fruitcakes demand it?

Who the fuck are you? Who are you working for? Not the Democratic party. I have a better idea, and that is that the DLC and the cadre of Clinton groupies currently trying to figure out how they can seize the party and hold it hostage should instead all head down to the Greyhound or subway station and buy themselves a ticket back to wherever it is they call home. You are done. The Dem party will survive the attempted DLC coup of '08.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 03/16/2008
- indie17 See Profile I'm a Fan of indie17 permalink

If you read the first 2 paragraphs, you see that your beginning statements to your long comment are false. Here they are so that you can read them:

{ House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says it would be damaging to the Democratic party for its leaders to buck the will of national convention delegates picked in primaries and caucuses, a declaration that gives a boost to Sen. Barack Obama.

"If the votes of the superdelegates overturn what's happened in the elections, it would be harmful to the Democratic party," }

It's the 'national covention delegates picked in primaries and caucuses' that Nancy is referring to.

As to the rest of your comment, there are so many inaccuracies and obfuscations that it's not worth my time debunking you. Maybe you'd like to read the article about by the 'Historians for America', and try to come to a more objective view.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harold-pollack/yes-obama-has-substance-_b_87126.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 03/16/2008