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Obama Was In Chicago The Morning Of Controversial Sermon

Obama Was In Chicago The Morning Of Controversial Sermon

March 17, 2008 11:10 AM



A bit of campaign controversy broke out Monday morning, after Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign and members of the media pointed to a serious inaccuracy in an anti-Obama op-ed by New York Times columnist Bill Kristol.

At the heart of the debate is whether or not Obama attended a sermon by his now controversial former pastor Jeremiah Wright decrying America's complicity in the Iraq war and the "arrogance of the 'United States of White America.'"

Kristol, citing only an already-disputed article in Newsmax, says yes. Obama, supported by several news articles and video footage, says he was campaigning in Miami (which was not outlawed by the Democratic Party at the time).

But according to the Washington Post's presidential tracker, Obama did, in fact, make an "appearance" in Chicago on the morning in question: July 22, 2002. He also, later in the day, flew to Miami for a speech.

Obama's spokesperson Tommy Vietor confirmed that the schedule was accurate but stressed that the senator did not make a stop at Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.

"We have reviewed his schedule," he wrote. "He didn't go to church that day."

Which is perfectly plausible. Just because Obama was in Chicago doesn't mean he attended church. But he was, in fact, in Chicago that morning.

Of course, not to be lost in all of this is the fantastically poor job Kristol did in his column in which he apparently failed to run a basic Google search, or, for that matter, call the Obama campaign.

The Times must be proud.

UPDATE: It goes from bad to worse. The Newsmax reporter now writes that the sermon he was referring to could have been on any given Sunday of July 2007. And Bill Kristol has added the following correction to his column online:

In this column, I cite a report that Sen. Obama had attended services at Trinity Church on July 22, 2007. The Obama camapaign has provided information showing that Sen. Obama did not attend Trinity that day. I regret the error.

For the record, Obama was in Chicago on July 15, 2007, according to the Washington Post.


 

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After 7 years of being told by the present admnistration that what you see and hear is not what you see and hear-Obama and his campaign and supporters are now stating the same-you do not see and hear what you see and hear.
Sort of like the weapons of mass destruction-so many experts said they were not there-but we were told to believe otherwise-I don't want another 8 years of this or 4 years for that matter.
I am sorry- Obama is not some kid fresh out of high school trying to find his way-he is a 46/47 year old man who wants us to trust his judgement-sorry -you can walk away from "friends", "churches" or "mentors" when they are so against what is good and right. I left a prayer group after 9/11 because so many believed this was punishment by God-I just couldn't agree with such ignorance-but they weren't hateful about it.
And..if Obama was there that morning in Chicago-how many more lies is he going to ask for us to accept.
I admit I have never been so confused as to who I really want to support-Obama is defintely off my list-Hillary I'm convinced will have to give up by pressure by the democratic apologists-which leaves me Nader and maybe McCain.
This is when i say-Lord help us.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 03/18/2008

Oh the DRAMA. This is NOT a political issue. Obama is black and white, not racist, and is not the (dum dum) reverend who spoke these words.

Let's all focus on important things such as the economy and equal rights, and laughter! Everyone shouldn't take themselves so seriously.

www.obamaisthenewblack.com

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 03/18/2008

Who cares if Obama heard a particular sermon or not? We push these candidates into a corner to defend and deny nearly every moment of their lives. Could anyone stand up to such scrutiny? I realize they are candidates for a high office, but come on! As to Rev. Wright, he has put some controversial words out there. So what? Preaching is half theatrical, and because Rev. Wright is very dramatic, his words seem to evoke much more reaction than if they were simply read. If Rev. Wright is not allowed to say what his experience dictates and if Obama is not permitted to listen to differing views, then where are we as a country? I watch Fox News at times. I also watch MSNBC. I like to hear differing views so that I can form my own opinion. Why would this threaten anyone? I loved and respected my parents, but as I grew, I didn't agree with all their views. Did that negate all the good they instilled in me? Did it make my parents bad people? Of course not. I appreciated the road they sent me down and later accepted that we would not agree on all issues. I consider that progress and the result of having an open mind. What is wrong with that?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 03/18/2008

When you write blogs like this you make Obama seem like a hamster on a wheel. Or maybe Obama looks that way without your help.

Obama has been closely associated with Jeremiah Wright for twenty years and has listened to enough sermons similar to the ones in the videos that he knows exactly what Wright thinks. This knowledge is undoubtedly what constrained the Obama campaign from allowing Wright to speak when Obama announced his candidacy. What difference does it make if he was present at Wrights sermon? If Wright was delivering sermons like these "behind Obama's back" and -- after a close association of twenty years -- Obama had "no idea" , then that's just as big a worry in my opinion.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 03/18/2008

This is why it is inappropriate to compare Dr. Wright with Christian conservative voices like the late Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson or John Hagee. The latter group turns attention away from the interests of a privileged elite-class and lays the ills of society at the door of America"s "usual suspects." Hence, it is easy to blame racial/ethnic minorities, Islam, feminists, illegal immigrants and the homosexual agenda for events such as 9/11. It is much harder, however, to point the finger at corporate controlled government, a neo-conservative military agenda, and the capricious whims of an exit-poll obsessed administration. And this is what Dr. Wright has attempted to do on a consistent basis over the course of his thirty-six years as pastor. Unlike his conservative opposition, his critique of American society points up as his hand of compassion and justice reaches down.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 03/18/2008

In search of safe happy colored fella. Guess we may have blown it with Barack Obama. Never thought he knew any colored folks who weren't happy. Never could understand why any colored folks would be unhappy. Just because they get less healt care for the same buck. One in 15 of them is in jail. Just because they had to hang from their roofs in Katrina. Just because they were allowed to die in the staduim in New Orleans. They have answered the call in every war America has had but at times America has not answered their calls. Oh I forgot if they don't love America they could always leave it . One problem is where in Africa should they book fare to. Guess will still got to look for that happy colored fella. Guess the comments the Falwell and Robinson made after 9/11 and Katrina were alright cause they were not unhappy colored fellas.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 AM on 03/18/2008

Reverand Wright is telling the truth,so deal with it. You racist people out there would've Lynched Obama for something his pastor said,if we were still living in the time of segragation. White preachers have said worst things than what Wright has said and yet they got a pass. Segragation may be a thing of the past,but racism still exist.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 AM on 03/18/2008

One of the memes that has been appearing in many corners of the web the past few days is the accusation that Sen. Barack Obama's controversial pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is an anti-Semite, and/or that he has made anti-Semitic remarks.

However, despite extension web searching, I have not been able to come across a single statement by the man saying anything against Jewish, or otherwise Semitic, people. I'm not saying these statements aren't out there"I'm saying that I am coming across a lot of online journalists, columnists, pundits and reader comments calling Wright an "anti-Semite", without reference to a quote of any kind to back such a serious accusation up. And I can't locate one either.

The absolutest closest statement I have found is one in his Wikipedia entry, as well as dozens of other places around the web: a claim by Wright that Zionism has an element of "white racism" in it.

An interesting feature of this "quote" is that no one posts the whole sentence. Everyone "quoting" it writes the exact same thing: "Wright said that Zionism has an element of 'white racism' in it." I can't locate the whole sentence in its entirety anywhere"all anyone offers is the "white racism" part as a quote. So it's extremely difficult to pinpoint this phrase's original context, other than that which these other writers have placed it in on their own.

It's even possible that the "white racism" phrase is just some random blogger's analysis of Wright's views on Zionism, repeated ad nauseum by lazy bloggers around the globe, until it morphed into a "quote" of Wright's. I see this kind of thing happen all the time in online "journalism". If I'm wrong in my theory, I will certainly post a correction.

That said, if it is his, it's hardly an anti-Semitic statement of any sort. Those who question Israeli occupation and settlement policy are not anti-Semites, no matter what neoconservative dogma dictates, or American mainstream media, for that matter. For what it's worth, Wright's Wikipedia entry also states that "the Anti-Defamation League says it has no evidence of any anti-Semitism by Wright."

There is no question Jeremiah Wright has made "controversial" statements about America's racial and military history, though I think almost all of them deserve more discussion that denouncement. But I have not come across any statements by him that are attacking Jewish or other Semitic peoples in any way. If any reader comes across specifically anti-Semitic statements by the reverend, I would sincerely like to see them, and I will post them on this site, and condemn them and the man who uttered them.

That said, if there really aren't any out there, it is our duty as truth-tellers to prevent a rapidly multiplying lie from being solidified in the media as the truth. That's what's happening right now.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 03/18/2008

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favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 03/17/2008

I don't know why this article is talking about the preachers sermon in July 07,when Obama was out of town !
The really gross Speach (sermon) was on Xmas day Dec25/07 .
Anyway I'd be willing to bet there were Many Many more of the same !!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 03/17/2008

You refer to a few lines in the Christmas Day speech. Here are a few more:

"The good news that's coming is for all people! Not white people"all people. Not black people"all people. Not rich people"all people. Not poor people"all people. I know you'll hate this... not straight people"all people! Not gay people"all people. Not American people"all people. ...God's good news isn't just for Americans, it's for all people. Say "all people"! Jesus came for Iraqis and Afghanis. Jesus was sent for Iranians and Ukrainians. All people! Jesus is God's gift to the brothers in jail and the sisters in jeopardy. All people! The Lord left his royal courts on high to come for all those that you love, yes, but he also came for all those folk that you can't stand. All people!"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1974945/posts
Yeah. Really gross. And I also am quite sure there were many more like this.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 AM on 03/18/2008

I don't ever want to hear or read the rubbish of whether still to be President Obama is Muslim. Ever again -- no more idiotic polls. Amen.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 03/17/2008

me neither. after i find out where vicky isemen is and how margie schoedinger died..i will retire to the country.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 AM on 03/18/2008

Were the Obama's at church for Christmas 2007 when Wright gave the sermon about Hillary never having been called the "N" word. He also said something like Bill Clinton was good to us and the congregation can be heard agreeing with him. Then he hollers something like no he wasn't he did us just like he did Monica Lewsinski and he visually demonstrates the "did" part. #1 that isn't even true hence Clinton being dubbed the first black president. Anyway, I don't care whether the Obama's were there or not because they certainly could have been, complete with 6 & 9 year old daughters. Obama has to have known his kids were at risk with this hate monger. Excuse me if I don't admire Obama for choosing his fondness for Rev. Wright over the well being of his girls.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 03/17/2008

Children are typically attending sunday school during the sermon.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 03/17/2008

Why don't people put all of this investigative reporting into finding where the hell Osama Bin Laden is hiding instead of going on a got damn witch hunt for when Barack was in church and what he heard? Now it's a crime to go to church? Unbelievable!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 03/17/2008

EXACTLY! Damn good point!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 AM on 03/18/2008

AMEN to that!!!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 AM on 03/18/2008

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favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 03/17/2008

Elton loves playing for Royalty, doesn't he. Ah, how soon we forget that this country was founded on putting to death the concept of royal birthright, a concept the Bush and Clinton lovers seem to have forgotten.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 03/17/2008

Verily, I wonder whether Elton will sing 'The Bitch Is Back'? . . . Maybe not.

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favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 03/17/2008

Can I just ask why everyone is ignoring the fact that Obama is not just black. he is bi-racial. He was raised by a white mother and white grandparents. If you have ever read his 1st book, he speaks lovingly of them and has relationships with both races. I don't understand how all of his reverend's views have now become his own. Until these comments, nobody had any reason to say he is against whtie people, and I have yet to see proof that he is. I don't know what Obama's church is like and I can't say these remarks weren't a one-time deal. None of you have any proof these remarks were made week after week while Obama sat by and let it happen. I think everyone should take a deep breath and remember your character of not judging unless or until you are in a position to judge.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 03/17/2008

I wonder if white people would feel this way about Rev. Wright if their ancestors were slaves, their grandparents were lynched and their parents were not allowed to use white only bathrooms. I bet they would feel the same way and there would be a white community. Oh wait! They do have a white community and it"s called America!!

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favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 03/17/2008

My ancestors were Irish...they weren't treated much better than slaves...not to make light...but we all have experiences in our past to feel bad enough...Jewish folks still have Holocost survivers among their living relatives...American Indians have nothing left of what was once theirs...America has been self-righteous and brutally harsh to lots of people...there are still Japanese Americans alive who lost everything duriing WWII and spent years in concentration camps...right here in America. Our short history has a lot to be ashamed and humbled by and hopefully we can begin to learn from our many, many mistakes.

But "God Damn American" is wholly and completely unacceptable, inflammatory rhetoric that only serves to further the divisions and incite hatred...it's frightening to me, yes, frightening..as frightening as the White Supremists rants and as frightening as Bin Ladens rants against everyday Americans. This man may, however inadvertently, have had a horribly negative effect on the impressionable young men and women in that congregation over the years...who knows to what end...to what violent end?

How would Dr King have responded to this sort of 'sermon'? Not positively, I think. Obama should know that.

Obama is lying about the extent of his exposure to this kind of garbage, and so is Michelle Obama. They took their babies in there to hear that violence! Now we know why Michelle said recently that 'it's the first time I've been proud of my country...' It's a though, for the first time, she has gained a perspective separate from this hate speech...maybe for the first time she's seen a different America, through her own eyes instead of through 'Pastor' Wrights jaded vision.

Barak Obama is a good man, but he is not the right man for the job this year. He has some growing up to do.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 03/18/2008

How long does the country have to drag this ball and chain around. Yea, Yea, I could never know how you feel. Next point. Wright's sermon was coded hate speech. As a "white", I know coded hate speech when I hear it, you can hear it for yourself on Rush Limbaugh every week. I had hoped, as a supporter that Obama's message was that it was time to move on together as a nation. Make no mistake this "sermon" could derail his presidential bid. How is that going to improve your plight or race relations in America? By the way, any person who has attempted to have a "dialogue about race" has heard variations on Wright's sermon, I never would have guessed it came from the pulpit.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 03/17/2008

How long? probably forever. Like asking how long will Germany be saddled with the Third Reich and the Nazis and all that Holocaust stuff...

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 03/17/2008

Then there is no point in trying! I was stationed in Germany, most people have made accomadations with the past without endorsing it.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 03/17/2008

It"s very disingenuous for you to say that African Americans haven"t moved on. We move through this world everyday with people that aren"t like us. That doesn"t mean that a truthful conversation about race doesn"t need to happen either. If race didn"t matter anymore, whether you are black or white, this story would not be the leading story for 5 news cycles going on 6. Obviously there are questions about race in this country that need to be addressed.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 03/18/2008

why don't they ask the jews to move on. i double dog dare them to ask the jews to move on.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 03/18/2008

Atleast 300 years. Thats how long slavery went on in this country and you think that things are suppose to change overnight? Yeah right!

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favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 03/17/2008

First of all, Obama didn't bring race into this campaign - the media and the HRC camp did.

Second, racism and slavery has been a part of the American DNA for 300 years. Do you really believe that all of that can be erased in 40? Tell someone that lived through the Civil Rights era like Rev. Wright to just "get over it".

Third, you said that Rev. Wright gives hate sermons. Name one thing that he said that is racist. I bet I can tell you from a different prospective that it isn't.

What you don't understand is the role of the black church in the African American community. Every since slavery, the Black church has been a place where Africans Americans not only went to hear the word of God, but also to meet and discuss our social and political issues.

You see, church was the only place we were allowed to go so we had to use it as a tool to organize, meet, and find out what was going on in America. The Civil Rights Movement started in and was kept alive by the church. Even though its 2008, this hasn't changed and a lot of the problems we faced then still apply now. Another thing that white people don"t understand is that what Rev. Wright said is echoed by black preachers across America. This isn"t anything new or outrageous. In fact, my preacher has said things that would make Rev. Wright blush.

Also, just because Obama attends this church doesn"t mean that he agrees with everything that Rev. Wright says. I have been attending the same church since I was baptized at the age of 1 (I"m 29 now). Over the years, my pastor has said things that I don"t agree with and we have lively debates about it. We have different points of view about homosexuality but I"m not going to stop going to church because of it. Just like I"m sure that all Catholics don"t believe that women shouldn"t hold a high position in the Catholic Church.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 03/17/2008

does anyone care to know how the black church began? prince hall and another black man...were picked up bodily...and dragged out of the white church in good old colonial america.they started the prince hall churc...the first black church in america. heres another tidbit of gossip. the day after jimmy carter was elected a black man was thrown out of the plains georgia church he and his wife attended his entire life.chief justice john roberts comes from long beach indiana...a northwest indiana enclave of the KKK that is so racist..minority notre dame and st marys college students are warned to never drive through there.the racism is so hard core..that the catholic diocese had to call a special meeting and put out an edict.there is a guy there right now...who is running for congress on a segregationist platform.( see southbend tribune march 4th)

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 03/18/2008

How about this one: I'm white and I couldn't agree more with the minister. We are warmongers, and we are no better than the so called Islamofascists we are supposed to be fighting. As an Air Force brat of a pilot who won the Air Force Distinguished Flying Cross in Vietnam, I understand the difference between entering a country when asked for help (South Vietnam asked us) and the unprovoked and needless murdering of Iraqis (you decide - 300,000 to 1 million Iraqis - and I f***king guaran-god-dam-tee you that a majority of them were totally innocent!). And the way most of the whites treat anyone they either don't see as human (including blacks, latinos, asians, and middle easterns) or are afraid of is unbelievably stupid and non-Christian. Even though I am an atheist, I realize that Jesus was an amazing ethicist and philosopher and said that we should love each other as 'thyself'. These are words and an ideal to live by whether you are Christian or not. The vast majority of Christians I grew up and around knew this simple truth.

So yes - 'God Damn America'!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 03/17/2008

"So it is ok when Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell say that America deserved 9/11, but not when someone on the left says that?
It is ok for McCain's pastor to say that god sent Katrina to New Orleans because there was a gay pride parade that day? That is acceptable?"

I have seen these same questions variously posed (citing Hagee, et al) to everyone who's jumping on this story as the great, shining sword to pierce Obama's candidacy. The funny thing is, of all the posts -- even the inane ones -- on Wright-related stories, these particular ones seem to go unanswered. I guess it's hard to confront the truth, so it's much easier to spread lies and attack the person and his supporters. Thank you, Bush Jr., for succeeding in dumbing-down the electorate.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 03/17/2008