Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean gestures during an interview with The Associated press, Thursday, March 27, 2008, at DNC Headquarters in Washington. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

Dean Says Attacks Getting Too Personal

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WASHINGTON — Democratic Party chief Howard Dean says Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton and their supporters should beware of tearing each other down, demoralizing the base and damaging the party's chances of winning the White House in November.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Dean also said he hopes the Democratic nominee will be determined shortly after the voting ends in early June and that he will encourage the superdelegates who will play a role to make up their minds before the August convention in Denver.

Dean said the charges and countercharges between Clinton and Obama have gotten too personal at times. He declined to say how they have crossed the line, but he said he's made it clear privately when it has happened.

"You do not want to demoralize the base of the Democratic Party by having the Democrats attack each other," he said Thursday during the interview in his office at Democratic National Committee headquarters. "Let the media and the Republicans and the talking heads on cable television attack and carry on, fulminate at the mouth. The supporters should keep their mouths shut about this stuff on both sides because that is harmful to the potential victory of a Democrat."

Superdelegates _ the nearly 800 party and elected officials who can support whomever they choose at the convention, regardless of what happens in the primaries _ should make up their minds before August to avoid a fight at the convention, Dean said.

"There is no point in waiting," he said. The Democratic political organization "is as good or better as the Republicans,' and we haven't been able to say that for about 30 years. But that all doesn't make any difference if people are really disenchanted or demoralized by a convention that's really ugly and nasty."

Dean commented during a wide-ranging, 40-minute interview about his leadership during a nominating season that has lasted longer than most expected and that has left the party with some tough issues to resolve. Among them:

_ Florida and Michigan Democrats brazenly violated party rules by holding primaries ahead of schedule and lost their delegates to the convention as punishment. Both states are now demanding that they not be shut out of the decision-making process because of it.

_ Since neither Clinton nor Obama are likely to secure the nomination with just the delegates won in the primaries and caucuses, the nominee will probably be determined by the superdelegates. That has some activists objecting that insiders could overturn the will of the voters.

_ Dean has raised record amounts of money _ the $51.5 million the DNC brought in in 2007 was a record for a non-election year. And he's spent it, too, on trying to build organizations in the 50 states. Campaign finance reports this month show the party with $4.5 million after accounting for debt, compared with $25 million for the Republican National Committee _ and the Democrats have no nominee to help replenish the coffers.

_ Not to mention that Clinton's and Obama's campaigns spend every day trying to tear each other down _ and are unlikely to stop anytime soon _ while Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the certain Republican nominee, is busy preparing for the general election. Even Dean said he doesn't expect the campaign to end until the last nominating contest is held in June.

Dean, the former governor of Vermont and 2004 presidential candidate, said he knows his critics say he should take a bigger leadership role in resolving some of these disputes. But he said that's not his role. Rather, he thinks of himself as a referee who enforces the rules in a close basketball game.

"Somebody is going to lose," Dean said. "My job is to make sure the person who loses feels like they have been treated fairly so that their supporters will support the winner."

But former Michigan Gov. James Blanchard said the DNC has handled the situation badly.

"They have put their rules ahead of common sense, of electing a Democratic president, of the voters in two major states," Blanchard, a Clinton supporter, said during the taping of Michigan public television's "Off the Record" program. "They're treating the rules like they're the U.S. Constitution or the Ten Commandments. They've lost their way."

Dean said the massive numbers of people showing up to participate in Democratic nominating contests across the country gives him encouragement that the eventual nominee will be well-positioned to win the White House.

He said it is good for the candidates to debate controversies like the incendiary sermons by Obama's pastor and Clinton's different accounts of danger on a trip to Bosnia as first lady. If Democrats didn't deal with them now, he said Republicans will surely make use of them in the fall.

Dean also reflected the concerns of many Democrats who worry about Obama and Clinton tearing each other down.

"What I don't want to do is have the Democrats make a stupid mistake in April and then be sorry they said that in October and end up with some more right-wing extremists on the Supreme Court," he said.

Dean's supporters say he's working behind the scenes to resolve some of the issues. He's been consulting with party stalwarts about how to wrap up the nomination quickly after the voting ends in June, including former Vice President Al Gore, former presidential candidate John Edwards, former Sen. George Mitchell, former President Carter, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, civil rights activist Jesse Jackson and former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo.

"There'll be some nasty fights if it goes to convention, and people will walk out," Dean said. "But I've also been talking to a fairly significant number of, by and large, nonaligned people about how we might resolve this."

Dean wouldn't talk in detail about what the plan is, but it likely involves encouraging superdelegates to pick a candidate shortly after the voting ends. He said he will not encourage any delegate to vote one way or another.

"I am going to stand up for the rules, and I know I'm doing the right thing most of the time because I've got both Clinton people and Obama people mad at me," he said.

For instance, while Obama's campaign has been encouraging superdelegates to support the candidate with the most pledged delegates _ which almost certainly will be Obama _ Dean says the rules don't require that and superdelegates are free to chose who they want.

On the other side, Clinton has been arguing lately that even pledged delegates _ awarded to a candidate based on the outcome of state contests _ aren't bound to vote for that candidate at the convention. Dean called that "a very technical argument."

"You aren't going to get pledged delegates to move unless something really shocking happens," he said. And he thinks it unlikely the superdelegates would support a candidate who did not have the most pledged delegates.

Dean also said the Michigan and Florida delegates will be seated at the convention. But he won't force a resolution because he said there's nothing the Obama and Clinton campaigns can support at this point.

"You bring both sides together and say, `Don't you think it's time that the two campaigns made a deal on how we're going to do this?'" Dean said. "Let me just say that the campaigns believe that kind of a deal is premature right now."

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Associated Press Writer Kathy Barks Hoffman in Lansing, Mich., contributed to this report.


 

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"This video shows what really happened in Florida.

Senate Democrat Leader (Florida) Laughs in the DNC's Face

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpHuQi17EaE

It is not the Republicans fault in Florida that the voters were disenfranchised. The Democratic leaders there openly defied the DNC and laughed while they were doing it. Check it out. Florida and Michigan voters rightly blame their legislatures."

From MichaelTenery

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 04/02/2008

It's ok Dean,maybe it is time for a third party to take over.With the backs of Dems broken by a Dem herself,and all the funny business with the Fed going on,people will Run to someone like Nader or Ron Paul or Kucinich (?) Everyone has been warning the Dems that Hillary has been destroying the party..well maybe it's for the best.Dems and Republicans have been in power for too long..and as the saying goes " power corrupts".

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 03/29/2008

COUNT THE VOTES! Obama's campaign is filled with as many slimebags as Hillary's and BO's just as much an old politics candidate as Hillary--it's just that the media doesn't call them on it and the BO people know just how to play all the various cards without getting caught. Obama is trying to suppress the vote in FL and MI (and the remaining states by getting Hill to drop out)--the EXACT same thing that has been used against black voters for decades. Now HE's doing it and Dean is complicit. What a scam! In a fight to the end, Hillary will win. BO knows it and that's why he's trotting out people like Leahy to try to stop the process prematurely before he loses his razor thin lead.

If Hillary were the one trying to exclude voters in FL and MI there would be 2-inch headlines screaming across every paper in America that she was a racist. Nobody seem very upset that Hillary is being ROBBED of votes here. I am outraged. And I am also outraged that the media is so silent on this massive disenfranchisement of voters. The Obammington Post has also been silent. Big surprise.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 03/28/2008

When both of those states were looking for a fair way to have another primary, the Obama campaign refused to negotiate to have a re-do. I know that in Michigan, there were two state senators, Buzz Thomas and Tupac Hunter, both AA and co-chairs of the Obama Michigan campaign who led a successful campaign to defeat any attempt of do something to allow Michigan to a a voice in the primary selection process. The only plan the Obama camp would approve is a 50/50 split of the Michigan delegates........or maybe a 51/49. They were dead set against doing anything that would give Clinton an advantage, after all, she did win the primary. The argument that Obama's name was not on the ballot doesn't ring true because there was a big campaign for voters to vote uncommitted if the wanted to vote for either Edwards or Obama, and there were quite a few of those votes, but Hillary won the primary.

It is obvious that Obama wants to follow the rules, but only when they favor him. Unfortunately the decision not to count Michigan and Florida at the time of their primaries has skewed the results of the subsequent primaries......momentum and delegate counts have favored Obama because two states have not been counted. How fair is that?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 03/29/2008

intellifem, you need to grow up and get your paranoia tweaked by someone a little mature than yourself as you study the facts coming in.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 03/29/2008

You are so right the MSM has been kissing Obama's ass ever since this race began Do the honestly believe that he has more experience than Biden or Dodd what a joke. Thank god that Dean was knocked out of the race for president for if he ran the country like he's been running the DNC we really would be up the creek without a paddle. Now i observed that the State of Mass went for Hillary in a big way does this mean to quote Nancy that those super delegates from that state should support Senator Clinton like Kenny, the Gov. and John the Wimp Kerry. After watching Kerry's performance during the last election and his lack of response to the Swift Boater's it sort of makes me wounder if there wasn't some truth behind their adds

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 03/29/2008

Howard: Why don't you ask Bill Clinton to stop endorsing John McCain? Just as you're assuring us that you've talked to the campaigns about making things less bitter, we hear news that Clinton once again is praising McCain. How can he possibly praise a candidate who doesn't know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites, who jokes about bombing Iran, and who has no health plan for Americans? Something is terribly wrong here. And why should the superdelegates wait until June? They could speak now, and then the voters would have the final say. It seems to me that solves a lot of problems. Let the superdelegates start speaking their consciences now: That's what conscience is all about. But it seems to me that their consciences would include things like expressing serious reservations about a candidate who--along with her campaign--keeps tearing down the other Democrat while praising the Republican nominee. Is that what we want for the general campaign?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 03/28/2008

I sent this in reply to an email that I got from Howard Dean-

Dear Gov.Dean,

I am a passionate Democrat and have given my best to the party and its nominees " but today, I am almost in that 28% of Hillary voters who would cross over and vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee .

You and the DNC have this ridiculous rules of proportional allocation of delegates- if we mimic the Republicans of a winner takes all primary- that s what happens in the general election- then Hillary would clearly be the winner with wins in OH, MI, FL, CA,NJ, NY, NM, etc and with PA to follow.

You have been totally ineffectual in deciding Michigan and Florida where millions voted- and Hillary won. They need to be seated fully.

If you want the ultra left wing of the party to prevail- with Opra-Bama- please count me OUT. I will still vote a straight Dem ticket below though.

Unless you franchise MI and FL voters , I will not give you a dime. Be an honest broker- you and Nancy Pelosi.

Regards,

Rameysh

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 03/28/2008

Many of the super-delegates - now calculated at 60 - once pledged to Senator Clinton have now moved to a neutral position awaiting either an announcement of withdrawal from her campaign or another significant opportunity to realign behind Senator Obama. This erosion of Senator Clinton"s political core of heavyweight support is a major source of embarrassment. However, her staff has adopted a Masada Complex and now seems determined to continue their hopeless struggle in spite of the consequences to her career in the Senate and to the Democratic Party that twice nominated her husband for the presidency. The ultimate damage to what many are now calling the Clinton Dynasty will be incalculable.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8471

Interesting that 60 superdelegates leave the Clinton camp and this is the first I'm hearing about it. Shouldn't they be removed from the Clinton delegate count, now she trails by even more. Not good news for Hillary.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 03/28/2008

Howard Dean has lots of problems. His obsession with rules is one of the reasons we are having this problem. He has disenfranchised voters in Florida and Michigan because the bigshots in those states didn't go along with agreed to primary dates. The problem is that such penalties deny citizens their right to vote in their primary and have their votes count. The individual voter should never have been penalized. This tilts the playing field so that the best candidate is harder to identify.
In my judgement Mr Dean should not further intefer with the normal course of events. Some have suggested that criticisms by HRC is damaging Obama's chances for the presidency. If Obama is presidential material he should be able withstand whatever criticism is aimed in his direction. Lets see what this unknown guy Obama is really made of. Mr. Dean has not impressed me as one who can exercise a unifying presence.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 03/28/2008

Stop wagging your finger and lecturing the candidates and DO something, Chairman Dean! You act like you're powerless and have to sit by and watch this mess unfold. You don't. Jesus!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 03/28/2008

He's chairman Dean, not chairman Mao. DNC rules.States elect nominees, sort of. He is powerless, and should be. the voters decide.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 03/28/2008

Dean is busy. He is buying some more stuff from J. Crew.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 03/28/2008

Hillary likes to play Dupe the Dopes

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 03/28/2008

Hill's other favorite game is called Getting Away With It...

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 03/28/2008


I think Democrats are in such a mess because they have such convoluted rules. Why do we need (1) a 2-year long campaign season, and (2) multi-levels of delegates- pledged delegates and super delegates, and (3) an electoral college to boot? These conditions are bred to create strife, conflict and a field for deception and manipulation. We need a 2 or 3 month publicly funded campaign season, a straight ballot vote by the people, and winner takes all. Period.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 03/28/2008

Read the constitution and the federalist papers and you will see why there is a need for the electoral college.

As far as the democrat nominating process, the leadership wanted to make it as "democratic" as possible which means everyone has a say which, in turn, means that nothing will get accomplished.

Democrats, in their never-ending quest to please everyone in the party, prove time and again that they are unfit for leadership. The "super-delegates" were created in order to quash popular sentiment if, as in the case of Obama, the voters choose a candidate that cannot win in the general election. How about that? Your "leadership" claims that your vote should count, yet they institute a process in which they can overturn it if "necessary".

One day democrats will learn that their own party is source of their ills.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 03/28/2008

what?
you mean people were listening?
yes, that's right, Hillary,
people were listening.
remember, Hillary, you have to speak to ALL the voters
not just those who don't know what Bosnia is.
oh.
did I get away with it?
yes, Hillary, you got away with it again.
oh, thank God...I knew I could.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 03/28/2008

Things were just peachy when Hillary was winning. Obama had enough class and decency not to plumb the depths of political filth. Too bad Hillary could not afford him the same consideration. That said, the race is over and has been for a while. Defying the will of the people is the only way she can prevail. What kind of person is this? She certainly does not represent the Democratic party I grew up with!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 03/28/2008

The big elephant in the room is Mi. and Florida. To disenfranchise two states and deny them a voice in the selection of a candidate may be a fatal mistake for the Democratic Party. I personally think it may be time for a 3rd party......not one who would select Nadar as a tiresome candidate, but one who would listen to the will of the people.........all 50 states, You allow the Virgin Islands, Guam and Puerto Rico to have a say in the selection of a candidate, and they don't even vote in the general.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 03/29/2008

It is too personal, Mr. Dean, because the two candidates agree almost completely except on the wonkiest details. It has become personal because that is all that is left to talk about. And on the subject of personalities....? Every great president has been a great speaker and teacher. That is what the "bully pulpit" means. If the Democratic Party's insiders steal this from Obama....? Or, if Clinton destroys him with this unsubtle apeal to the worst in white folks (I yam one), then Obama will go on to become one of the great American teachers and leaders. Can the same be said for Hillary Clinton. I think not and this fact alone is enough for me. Please send Hillary the black spot.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 03/28/2008

No, "bully pulpit" is a term to describe a position of authority from which one can advance one's views. Obama may remain a "great teacher and orator" to people like you, however he will be nothing more than a distant memory for thinking people.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 03/29/2008

What can Howard Dean be thinking? Show some leadership, for heaven's sake!
It is not only infuriating, but extremely destructive, to be held hostage by the Clintons. How many Democrats have to ask them to withdraw for the benefit of the larger-than-Clinton goal of winning back the White House?
One only need watch the Clinton's underhanded manipulations to win to see that this will backfire on the Democracts.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 03/28/2008

He is doing what he can. He has to appear impartial as leader of the DNC.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 03/28/2008

If we're not to change the rules to seat MI and FL then we're not to change the rules when it comes to running out the primary season. The rules were made and agreed to, so let the primary season run to completion. If Obama is really as strong as you would all like to believe, then this will not be a problem.

It's beginning to sound like all you Obama supporters are afraid that he will eventually be shown for the empty shirt that he is. I can see no other reason that you would want Clinton to back down. Let them fight it out.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 03/29/2008

impartial to ethics?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 03/28/2008

Dean's neutral rendering of Hillary's lying is that there are "different accountings of Bosnia." Hillary explained her way out of Bosnia with exceptional noblesse oblige. Obama morphs into something bigger when providing a much need explanation. The listener becomes uplifted and is "made whole." Hillary's "accounting of Bosnia" came off like an audacious "never mind, I was busy and tired."
This cannot be overlooked by discerning voters.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 03/28/2008

maybe she should refer to the Bosnia story as told in her autobiography.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 03/28/2008

Hillary supporters are rabidly mad. Nobody can just come out and call it like it is because the party runs the risk of losing her supporters. This entire mess falls on the shoulders of Clinton as well as the MSM who chose not to write off the March 4th results as less-than-significant.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 03/28/2008

but hey, does Dean care if the lady is lying?
nah.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 03/28/2008

You know when Ron Brown was the Chairman of the DNC, he was very good. He keep all the Democrats in line. When Clinton was running, he shut down the Brown from Callifornia who reminds me of Hillary. He set the tone and was not afraid of anyone. Unfortunatey he died in an air plane cash serving his country. Mr Dean is very weak. He supported Hillary but like many others the Obama factor was a surprise to many. I just wishec he had a spine. And to think he ran for President.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 03/28/2008

Howard Dean was a terrible choice to run the DNC... I knew when he was named, and he's proving it now.

How many ways did he screw up?:

He didn't hold the media's feet to the fire about their biased handling of the debates, directing, even in the earliest ones, significantly more questions and devoting significantly more air/face time to Hillary and Obama (and Edwards), to the virtual exclusion of the MOST QUALIFIED candidates like Joe BIDEN and Chris Dodd, and the most different-thinking" like Dennis Kuchinich... The media controlled this primary and its results, and he and the DNC let it.

He could have told Michigan/Florida that they could hold their primaries any time they wanted, BUT that their votes would not be RELEASED/COUNTED (in the national totals) until their original date. (And, isn't it ironic that the states with the later dates ARE playing a big role...ASSUMING Dean doesn't force a brokered deal before June 3rd, that is.)

What a loser.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 03/28/2008

Yeah, you lost me there buddy. It's not his fault the campaigns Dodd, Biden, and Kucinich never gained an iota of traction - just like they hadn't when they've run in th past. It's in the party's best interest to focus on candidates who can win. It's always been Clinton, Obama and Edwards.

Letting Michigan and Florida vote early is ridiculous. The campaigns were designed to focus on Iowa then NH. That's why all the major candidates agreed to what went down. Dean offered those states a chance to re-vote, and the states decided they didn't want to pay for it. That screwup rests on the shoulders of the state legislators and has nothing to do with Dean or any of the candidates (except Clinton who fanned the flames for her own possible political advantage).

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 03/28/2008

Kucunich never got into the race because he was shut out of the debates before a single primary!

The war profiteering MSM excluded all candidates who wouldn't at least give lip service to continuing the Iraq War Crime.

They did it right in front of you and you still don't get it.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 03/29/2008

I am an extremely progressive person, but I happen to live in reality. The idea that someone like Dennis Kucinich could be elected POTUS is laughable at best. He doesn't need help from the MSM. His ideology is at complete odds with most what most Americans think they believe. And for those that agree with most of his views, they realize that he would be unable to work with the opposition in order to actually accomplish something.

I've been for Obama since day 1 because despite what so many have said, what I've thought all along has shown itself to be true. That he can actually win the presidency. Maybe if progressives suck it up and s