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DEVLIN BARRETT and BETH FOUHY | March 29, 2008 10:06 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., smiles as he poses for a picture after a town hall meeting at Greater Johnstown High School in Johnstown, Pa., Saturday, March 29, 2008.(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

JOHNSTOWN, Pa. — Barack Obama refused Saturday to go along with other Democrats who are calling for Hillary Rodham Clinton to step away from the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"My attitude is Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants," Obama said.

Obama told reporters he did not agree with one of his supporters, Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy, when he said earlier this week that Clinton cannot win the nomination and should therefore drop out. "I hadn't talked to Pat about it," Obama said.

At stops throughout the day, Clinton raised the question of whether she should leave the race _ eliciting loud jeers from supporters.

"There are some people who say we should just stop these elections. 'Enough people have already voted, what's a few million more?'" Clinton said in Louisville, Ky. "I don't know about you but I'm glad Kentucky is going to be voting and you'll be choosing because it's such an important election." The state holds its primary May 20.

Campaigning in Pennsylvania, her husband, Bill Clinton, said party insiders looking to resolve the contest should step back and allow the process to move forward.

"We just need to relax and let this happen. Nobody's talking about wrecking the party," the former president said. "Everywhere I go, all these working people say: 'Don't you dare let her drop out. Don't listen to those people in Washington, they don't represent us.'"

The campaign on Saturday released a fundraising e-mail, signed by Bill Clinton, asking supporters to challenge talk of his wife departing the race by sending a check to her campaign.

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"There's no better way to tell Hillary that you support her staying in than to make a contribution to her campaign," he wrote.

Obama offered a bit of tough love to Pennsylvania voters, saying some industrial and manufacturing jobs may not return to this steel region, but others could take their place.

Clinton also stressed job creation at campaign stops in Indiana and Kentucky, vowing to help manufacturers transition to new industries like clean energy and ending tax breaks for American companies that ship jobs overseas.

"I think this election, particularly here in Indiana, is about jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs," the former first lady said.

Jobs and the economy are front and center in the remaining primary contests between the two Democratic hopefuls. Pennsylvania, which holds its primary April 22, has seen its manufacturing base and especially its steel industry weakened in recent decades, as has Indiana, which votes May 6.

While campaigning in Ohio, another big manufacturing state, both Clinton and Obama criticized free trade deals and insisted the other candidate was not as reliable a protector of U.S. jobs. Clinton won that state's March 4 primary.

In Johnstown, a woman employed at a call center told Obama that 200 of her co-workers had lost jobs after the work was outsourced to India. She blamed free trade and asked what the Illinois senator would do about it.

"I don't want to make a promise that I can bring back every job that's left Johnstown. It's just not true. Some of those jobs aren't going to come back," Obama answered.

"What I can do is try ... to create an environment in which jobs are being created," he said, adding that they "may not be the same jobs that left and don't come back."

Speaking in Indianapolis, Clinton tied many of the region's economic woes to U.S. trade policy and to President Bush's laissez-faire approach to China, where numerous America jobs have been shipped in recent years.

"We are now deeply in debt. We owe money to everybody, not just to China but to Mexico and practically any other country you can think of. We are $9 trillion in debt," she said.

Obama, who is on a six-day bus tour through Pennsylvania, toured a factory that makes the wires that eventually become Slinky toys. He played with a Slinky through the visit.

Asked whether voters might be turned off by talk of some jobs not coming back, Obama said he was trying to give the phone worker a clear answer.

"The point I was making is that the same jobs are probably not going to come back. We're not going to suddenly see Bethlehem Steel reopen," he said. "What we're going to see is potentially some specialty steel of the sort that we saw at Johnstown Wire that has created a niche that can grow."

Also Saturday, former Democratic contender John Edwards made his first public comments on the race since dropping out two months ago.

"I have a very high opinion of both of them," Edwards said of Obama and Clinton at the Young Democrats of North Carolina convention. "We would be blessed as a nation to have either one of them as president."

At the same event, Chelsea Clinton said her travels have opened her eyes to sexism.

"I didn't really get how much sexism there still was in our country until I was at a rally with my mom in New Hampshire, and someone came up to me and said, 'I just can't see a woman being commander in chief,'" the former first daughter said.

She has always been supported by both the men and women in her family, she said. "I have been so profoundly more grateful than I have ever been over the past few months for my parents because of that."

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Beth Fouhy reported from Louisville. Associated Press writers Mike Baker in Research Triangle Park, N.C., and Michael Rubinkam in Girardville, Pa., contributed to this report.

JOHNSTOWN, Pa. — Barack Obama refused Saturday to go along with other Democrats who are calling for Hillary Rodham Clinton to step away from the race for the Democratic presidential nomination. ...
JOHNSTOWN, Pa. — Barack Obama refused Saturday to go along with other Democrats who are calling for Hillary Rodham Clinton to step away from the race for the Democratic presidential nomination. ...
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You know, this whole Obamabot mantra of "she cannot mathematically win" sounds and awful lot like the prewar BS of how "Saddam-91­1-Saddam-9­11" was driven incessantly and without mercy upon the American public, using much of the samecorporate media. People eventually bought it without actual thought at the content itself.

Right now, it's 50-50 for either. That's why it has to play out to the end, even if the Obamabots wish he could just clean the slate of all potential rivals like he is used to.

I'm sure Obama is upset that it's gotten this far but he has to put on a brave public face and then send hatchetmen out to chop-chop-chop in his place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 04/01/2008

I don't think Hillary Clinton is an idiot, so I have to assume that she's not confused about what Barack Obama supporters are saying when they say she should drop out. And I have to assume she knows (from what we've seen so many times from her own campaign) that just because an Obama supporter says it doesn't mean it's the stance of "Obama's campaign."

Since I don't think she's an idiot, I have to assume that she fully understands these things and is intentionally twisting their message when she says they're saying "don't have elections." Absurd. Beyond absurd, and beneath a person of her intelligence. Nobody is saying she should drop out so we won't have these elections, they're telling her to drop out because they can't take her nasty campaign anymore. I'd love to see a long campaign rife with good ideas, but considering the mudslinging, she has to go. She's hurting us.

You can have any stance on her staying in or dropping out that you want to. But please, for the love of all things holy, can we be honest for a change? Nobody is saying "let's not have these elections." Sheesh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 04/01/2008
- filo I'm a Fan of filo 68 fans permalink
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I agree ...She has taken a page from the Karl Rove playbook. If somebody says they are against the war in Iraq you scream WHY DON'T YOU SUPPORT THE TROOPS. At least she's learned her lessons well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 04/01/2008

The probability of Hillary getting the nomination is slim. The scenario Hill's 'surrogates' are praying for is the dead teenage hooker in Obama's hotel or it's equivalent. My guess is that ain't gonna happen. The closest to that Obama campaign breaking scenario was Rev. Wright's 'Damn America' comment. The effect was to dip Obama's poll numbers for a couple of media cycles, now the blowback has hurt Hillary more than it did Obama.

I like both Obama and Clinton, as a Democrat, I would support either over Crash McCain, I think the notion of electability has taken hold within the Party and Obama is the easier sell with significantly less political baggage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 04/01/2008
- IslandGyal I'm a Fan of IslandGyal 49 fans permalink
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Yes, since Hillary is throwing out the "disenfranchised" and 'legitimate" words, let her continue, because she wants Obama's nomination to be construed as not legitimate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 04/01/2008
- eggman I'm a Fan of eggman 20 fans permalink

People in states that haven't voted yet might like to have a voice for a change.
People in states that have already voted might prefer not to give others a voice--as long as it's their candidate who is selected.
Maybe Clinton should step aside for the good of the Democratic party, but for the good of the democratic process, she should run "as long as she wants."
What BIll-Hill shouldn't do is spread more lies and dissemination about Obama, or talk about how great McCain is. These tactics are designed to put a gun to the superdelegates' heads--either overturn the majority of Dem voters or we'll help put a Republican in office so we can run against him in 2012.
This nomination was Clinton's to lose. Her business-as-usual politics, divisive campaigning and victimization tactics have alienated many voters who once liked her. If she and Bill continue on this path they risk losing the goodwill they have built up over 16 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 04/01/2008
- Bocababs I'm a Fan of Bocababs 17 fans permalink

I am an Obama supporter. I feel Hillary should stay in the race as long as she wants. This way....in the end, no matter who wins, the other cannot say they were coerced to leave earlier than they wanted to. As far as the mainstream press goes and this long fight with the Democrats....At least we are NOT sheep. We argue, we fight amongst ourselves.­....becaus­e can it be.....? We just might be more informed than the GOP side of things who all look through life, as if their tax cut was their last tax cut.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 04/01/2008

I used to think that what you just posted was correct: i.e., that we were registering new Democrats and firing up our people.

Now, I am not so sure. This was Obama's lead over McCain at the beginning of March before -- yes, I am going to say it -- Hillary began her shocking, vitriolic attacks on him, including saying that _John_McCain_ was _more_qualified_ to be president that Obama is!

"Cook Political Report/RT Strategies Poll. Feb. 28-March 2, 2008. N=802 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.5.

"McCain (R) 38, Obama (D) 47, Other (vol.) 3, Unsure 12"

Now, Obama and McCain are neck-and-neck. Now, I know that this is mostly temporary, negative fallout from the Democratic primary race; but to have vicious criticism coming from your _own_party_ is very different from having it come from the opposing party. Of course John McCain will say he is more qualified than Obama; but to have another leading _Democrat_ say it? That is causing real damage to the man who has already won this race.

Oh, no. Hillary needs to scuttle her sinking ship. She has already lost this race. The only way she could possibly become the nominee is through a sleazy power-grab, which would doom her and the party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 04/01/2008
- LewisR I'm a Fan of LewisR 4 fans permalink

Talk about bait and switch. Obama goes out with belittling comments on how she can run all she wants, while he has his campaign surrogates go out and yell about how she should get out. If you do not believe all this is specifically coordinated you are a political fool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 04/01/2008

"Surrogates?" You mean, the majority of Democrats in this country?

No one wants to vote for Monica Lewinsky's husband. No one wants to hear Hillary make her repetitious, dishonest denials of voting for the war in Iraq. This sleazy thing about landing under fire in Bosnia is only one more inch in a miles-long line of slime. People will NOT vote for her, because they do not like her, understand?

Obama has Dems fired up as never before. Democratic primary turnout is _double_ that of Republicans, even in so-called "Red States" such as Texas and Virginia. Having a contested primary makes people perceive that their participation counts, and therefore they participate. This is how Democrats win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 04/01/2008

People will not vote for her? What about the millions who already have and all those still to come?

People see what they want to see. That doesn't make it the whole truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 04/01/2008
- Thurber I'm a Fan of Thurber 16 fans permalink

She can run as long as she wants, and if you want to help her pay the many people her campaign has stiffed so far (including staffers who are going without health insurance), please be my guest and send her some cash. Just understand that's what you are doing, you aren't going to help her win, that's impossible at this point.

Focus your anger and frustration on McCain. That's where it's needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 04/01/2008

Hillary cannot win, mathematically. Her deranged supporters keep saying that the race is "tied." This is the result of the well-established elevation by the Clintons of spin over reality. Hillary's fundraising goal, stated to her supporters by emai, was $3 million for the month of March. Apparently the potential contributors likewise have realized that the ship is sinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 04/01/2008
- LewisR I'm a Fan of LewisR 4 fans permalink

"Hillary cannot win, mathematically." That is just not true. It's close, but it's not true. She can still win more vote in total if things go her way, and that would have a big influence. I agree that it's almost over for her, but there is a mathematical possibility, slim sure, so you may be angry and determined, but you are lying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 04/01/2008

Both of you say, mathematically, it is possible, if she gets 100% of all of the rest of the states. Also, you accuse me of "lying."

No, that is not "mathematically" possible. It is "hypothetically" possible, just as it would be if, for example, Barack Obama dropped dead of a heart attack. Such a (ridiculous) scenario is apparently what Hillary supporters are using as a sophistic excuse for what has become an unethical, attempted power-grab by the Clintons.

Mathematically, no electoral result that is _possible_, based upon reason and human experience, would result in Hillary winning, except by the power-grab method.

See http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html

For you, RLewis, to say that it is mathematically possible, because Obama could get struck by lightning, is dishonest of you, not me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 04/01/2008
- eggman I'm a Fan of eggman 20 fans permalink

Yes she can, mathematically, win. If she gets 100% of the votes from here on out she will win the nomination. If she gets less than 50% of the vote she can still get the nomination from the superdelegates. The first scenario isn't plausible, the second is inadvisable. But let's not say it's mathematically impossible -- leave the fuzzy math to the GOP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 04/01/2008
- tumblewind I'm a Fan of tumblewind 2 fans permalink

The longer she keeps up this nonsense the more enemies she makes. A lot of us are growing weary of her inability to face reality. She is going to wind up screwing up the Democratic chances in an election. I personally don't think she can win in a general election. I am beginning to see why so many people dislike her!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 04/01/2008
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WELL I AM SO GLAD HE IS SO GENEROUS AND DOESN'T WANT TO LOOK DESPERATE
AND GIVES HER THE PERMISSION TO RUN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 03/31/2008

I AM SO GLAD THAT YOU KNOW WHERE THE CAPS LOCK KEY IS ON YOUR KEYBOARD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 04/01/2008

what made him change his mind?! A couple of days ago he just said this primary turned out to be a good movie that is half an hour too long!.

Looks like the protest from HRC supporters that they would quit the party make him realize that he can't push her off the show.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 03/30/2008
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Perhaps Senator Obama was referring to the entire primary process being too long. There was no mention of Hillary's participation there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 04/01/2008

"Ooh, boo-hoo! We will _quit_ this party if we don't win! Waaaah!"

I suppose this is why disgusting Hillary said that only she and McCain are qualified to be president. I have never heard of a Democratic primary candidate who said that the Republican is more qualified that her Democratic opponent. It is absolutely revolting, and sounds familiar:

"If I don't win, then my party deserves to _lose_. Waaah! Waaah!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 04/01/2008
- intellifem I'm a Fan of intellifem 4 fans permalink

Let's face it: no matter how much the BO people try to spin it, this race is tied and we're now in overtime. There is a split between the Obama leftists and the Clinton centrists. As long as it is a fair fight, either side will accept the outcome. But if either side feels that they have been scammed and the votes are not counted, then the nomination will lack legitimacy and McCain will sail into the White House on Dem crossover votes. MI and FL must be resolved and the remaining states must have their votes counted.

What's at stake now is not who gets the nomination, but whether or not the eventual winner can count on getting the votes who had voted for his or her opponent. If BO's or HC's supporters refuse to support the nominee because they feel they've been shafted by the process, then McCain wins.

In short, the Obama people, in calling for Hill's withdrawal, are causing great anger among Hill's supporters and they risk alienating them permanently should Obama win fairly throughout the remaining contests and with MI and FL votes counted.

This strategy of trying to psych out Hillary will only backfire and solidify her support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 03/30/2008
- Daniel8168 I'm a Fan of Daniel8168 11 fans permalink

This race is tied? Are you kidding me?

Without counting the uncommitted super-delegates (hereafter SD's), but counting the committed ones, Hillary would need to win almost 62% of the remaining delegates. Assuming that all SD's would side with the candidate with the most regular delegates at the end of the primaries/caucuses, she then needs to win almost 65% of the remaining delegates.

The current SD totals are:

Clinton 250 / Obama 217 / uncommitted 327


If all of the SD's voted for the popular winner of their state, the SD totals would then be:

Clinton 320 / Obama 348 / for states that haven't voted 126


If all of the SD's voted for the popular winner in their district, the SD total would then be:

Clinton 305 / Obama 351 / for states that haven't voted 126 / unavailable SD results 12


How again, is it that "this race is tied"?

Even despite her flagrant cheating by campaigning in FL and MI before the primaries, and leaving her name on the ballot, she only got 55% of MI, and less than 66% of FL. She was running against HERSELF in those states. NO ONE ELSE WAS ON THE BALLOTS!

(Note: I got all of these data from a Wall Street Journal superdelegate analysis, but I can't find it again to link it here.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 03/30/2008
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Hillary never let facts get in the way of a good story. You know that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 03/31/2008

"This race is tied? Are you kidding me?"

Nobody is kidding you, Danielo168..

Obama's lead is slight, and up against McCain, he loses.

www.factcheck.org

Your guess work, based on a dubious article you can't find, is doubtful.

Clinton can win a contest with McCain, Obama cannot.
States must be allowed to vote, particularly with with a race this close.
And the Democratic party must resolve Florida & Michigan. The mistakes of the organizers must not disenfranchise the individual citizens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 04/01/2008
- barrista I'm a Fan of barrista 8 fans permalink

lol @ "intellifem"

Obama leftist? Clinton centrist? Right. They basically share the same ideas, so what makes Clinton a centrist?

The race is not tied intellifem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 04/01/2008

The race is "tied?" Hillary has already lost! From politico.com:

"Her own campaign acknowledges there is no way that she will finish ahead in pledged delegates. That means the only way she wins is if Democratic superdelegates are ready to risk a backlash of historic proportions from the party’s most reliable constituency.

"Unless Clinton is able to at least win the primary popular vote — which also would take nothing less than an electoral miracle — and use that achievement to pressure superdelegates, she has only one scenario for victory. An African-American opponent and his backers would be told that, even though he won the contest with voters, the prize is going to someone else.

"People who think that scenario is even remotely likely are living on another planet."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 04/01/2008

In regards to the superdelegates, the overwehlming majority of Clinton's supporters committed BEFORE the Iowa primary, when it looked like she was the inevitable candidate of the Democratic Party. Does Hillary want to "release" her superdelegates so that they can now decide who is or is not the best candidate in the general election??? The fact is that Obama now has MORE endorsements from Governors (+2) and Senators (+3) that Clinton and they are basically tied with Representatives (Obama -2). Hillary's ever shrinking superdelegate lead is based solely on her support from the DLP (Clinton +7) and DNC (Clinton +33) members (a/k/a party insiders).
"Tied?" You need to focus more on the "intelli" and less on the "fem."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 04/01/2008
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I think Hillary's offer to Obama for the VP spot was a bit premature. LOL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 03/30/2008
- jorjan I'm a Fan of jorjan 12 fans permalink

If the Dems want to win in November wouldn't it be better to have this thing played out???? Americans just want a fair and square election and will probably get behind the winning candidate if they feel it was done that way. But voters will not do that if they feel they were cheated. The DNC should play by the rules - just like they wanted MI and FL to do. This is an historic race and will go down in history so wouldn't it be better to have it go down in history as a fair one???? The race is not hurting the Democrats chances of winning - in fact their voter registration is through the roof. There is more interest in this election than any I can remember in my lifetime. That is always good for America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 03/30/2008
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Hey! Clintonistas, you talk a lot, but you don't give Hillary any money. If you need some money to keep her going, we can lend you some. LOL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 03/30/2008

I know. Her fundraising _goal_ for March 31 was only $3 million!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 04/01/2008
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