DNC: Florida, Michigan Delegates Will Be Seated On Committees

This doesn't seem like a bad compromise. First of all, it's *reasonably* fair, although it's hard for me to believe that Obama couldn't win Michigan if there had been campaigning there, but I doubt he minds taking the delegate hit.

The important thing is to reach a compromise while the election is still fluid. If you wait until June then it's meaningless, since all the candidates will have to do is crunch the numbers and see if it gives them a victory or not. And by not compromising at all, you allow Hillary to keep demagoguing the issue even though it was her campaign's chief strategist who was among those that voted to strip MI and FL in the first place, and even though she agreed, both in words and by her pledge, that the two states wouldn't count.

I'd advise both candidates to take it.

C-Span showed the hearing, headed by Donna Brazil, the head of the democratic national committee, flat out refusing to allow Florida to count. I believe this was in late 2006 or early 2007. After a gut renching explaination of how the republican controled state overpowered the democrats, donna says, I'm going to teach florida a lesson, My sister and my friends live in florida and I'm going to teach them a lesson too. WHAT-you can flat out blame Florida on Donna Brazil, who made the call, while the other committee members held their heads down. Hey Donna fess up - who is being taught the lesson now!

All this talk about MI and FL violating the rules neglects a few facts:

1 - IA and NH also violated the rules. No primary/Caucus was to be held before Jan 14, 2008
2 - The order was supposed to be (IA, NV no earlier than Jan 14, 2008), (NH no earlier than Jan 22), SC no earlier than Jan 29, and the rest no earlier than Feb 5th.

So then both IA and NH violated the rules but why the double standard in punishing only MI and FL?

That's the way it should have been all along, self interest seeks to deny the greater good!

This is convoluted, but at least someone is trying to fix the MI/FL problem so that the Dems don't lose in November. Under this portion of the resolution, FL takes part in the lead up to the Convention, but can't vote on whether their delegates are seated at the Convention. Let's see what else happens.

Regardless of what Obama and Clinton partisans want, the FL/MI problem must be fixed to the satisfaction of the voters of both states if the Dems want to win in November. Just ignore the self-serving howl from the Obama and Clinton people -- who are more interested in beating each other in August than in beating McCain in November.

At least someone is trying something. If it doesn't work, then they must try something else.

And I don't think Hillary is qualified to be President, so Obamsits stop that stupid accusation. Her thinking is so narrowly inside the box that she doesn't even know there is something outside the box. And in the box is warmongering, imperialism, NAFTA, love of Walmart -- she's just a lying anti-labor idiot who is brilliant if you give her 4 things to think about and don't even hint there might be a fifth. Can you imagine someone calling Putin as someone without a soul -- personally attacking him -- when the position she is running for requires her to meet with him on critical issues? What a limited, Lieberman/McCain-like idiot.

Finally the DNC is removing their collective heads from their rears.
If MI and FLA aren't seated it is basically a lock that McCain takes both important states, as far as the road to the presidency is concerned.

What is wrong with Florida? Why do they always have such a hard time with elections. They should revoke Florida's right to vote they obviously can not handle the responsibility.

Immediately after the November election, the democratic party needs to do a few things:

1. Fire Howard Dean's ass.

2. Either make a credible effort to explain to the public the role and purpose of superdelegates or just get rid of them entirely. Simply saying that super-delegates should vote with the majority of pledged delegates makes them absolutely irrelevant, giving credence to republicans' accusations that democrats are experts at creating useless and inefficient bureaucracies.

3. Don't come up with stupid rules that allows republicans to render your primary election void.

4. Eliminate the idiotic and archaic caucus system.

In August the rules committee voted 14 to 1 not to seat the Florida and Michigan delegates from primaries held before Super Tuesday. The vote was 14 to 1, not to seat and the lone dissenter was an Obama supporter.

Any change of rules to deal with the Fla. and Mich. problem to unfairly give Hillary the nomination would be a disaster handing the Republicans not only the Presidency but also whopping majorities in both houses, not to mention state houses and other local elections. The distaste for such a maneuver would be so deep within the broader electorate that none of us for either Hillary or Obama could overcome it.
Therefore the seating of the Florida and Michigan delegates can not be done in such a way as it grossly distorts the delegate count as it is currently being established.

oh boy the Obama hand wringers will be out in full force now.

So in 2012, the states will decide to have their primary/caucuses whenever? Since there is no penalty, why not? The rules can always be changed in the middle of the primaries.

What does this say to all the states that abided by the rules? Florida and Michigan should forfeit their delegates to the convention. Hillary Clinton is a hypocrit and without principle to use "democracy" in her cause for more delegates. If she were ahead in the delegate count and popular vote count, would she still wage this fight for the people of Michigan and Florida? I think not.

This insanity has to stop. Florida and Michigan should be seated just as they voted and those of you diehard Obama fans who won't vote for Hillary and you Hillary fans who won't vote for Obama in November and say you'll vote for McCain instead are childish and assinine. A party member votes for the party and remember our goal.......to take back the White House. Voting for McCain just because your candidate didn't make it is absurd. You want four more years of Bush philosophies, just continue on this path and you got them. Vote for McCain, you must be out of your minds!!!!!