Damn Dirty NYT! Got Heston's Age Wrong, Ruined My Pun

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Huffington Post   |  Rachel Sklar   |   April 6, 2008 11:59 AM


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Update, April 7, 2007: This post has been corrected to reflect the fact that the New York Times, not the AP, goofed on Charlton Heston's age — the AP reported it as 84 and the NYT reported it as 83. So did IMDb. Since the NYT obit came out after the AP version, and since the IMDb version said 83, and since the NYT's AP version disappeared from the homepage in short order, I cast my vote with the Paper of Record on this one and cruelly castigated the AP for their "error," as well as finger-pointing at all the news orgs that had unwittingly picked up the "mistake." Then I chortled over my pun. Then I saw that today, the NYT had issued a correction. Then I bonked my head against a wall. Then I updated this item. There, now you're caught up.

Here's the original version, from yesterday:

Legendary film actor and NRA spokesman Charlton Heston died last night at age 84. Or was it 83? Reports today differ — the Associated Press says 84, but the New York Times says 83 (though it actually says both on its homepage right now — courtesy of both reports — as you can see below). So who's right? ETP went to the arbiter of all things filmic, the Internet Movie Database, better known as IMDb (in fact, so well known as IMDb that it's become a verb a la Google, i..e. to "IMDb" someone is to look up their entry on IMDb). According to IMDb, the New York Times is right and the AP is wrong: Charlton Heston was born on October 4, 1924 — which would make him 84 on his next birthday, which sadly he did not reach. (Update: As stated above, it's the IMDB that is incorrect; Heston was, in fact, born in 1923.)

Note, though, that in its news alert sent out last night at 12:12 a.m. ET, the New York Times cited the AP report and listed Heston's age as 84; on this morning's edition of "This Week with George Stephanopoulos," the show was nimble enough to include Heston in its "In Memoriam" segment but alas, not quick enough to fact-check the AP. (Update: Except that it didn't need to. Sorry, George!)

Update: The AP has since switched the age from 84 to 83. Update to the update: Actually, that was the HuffPo link swapping out the AP link for the NYT link. The AP never changed its version. I failed to notice the source swap.

Update: ...but not before CNN was fooled, too, reporting Heston dead at 84 this morning at 9:00 a.m. and again as late as 6:00 p.m. MSNBC, too, picked up the AP story, doing the math backwards and listing Heston's year of birth as 1923. (Update to the update: Er, good work on that, cablers!)

In other news, we are remain inordinately proud of our "damn dirty AP" joke. Though it is no longer all that relevant. Either way, if you don't get it, see here.

Irony alert: I actually checked Heston's Wikipedia entry yesterday, too, and saw that the year of birth was "wrong," i.e. 1923. And in my head, I scoffed at silly little Wikipedia. A little more respect for the wisdom of crowds next time!

See screengrab of the NYT homepage Sunday morning below:






Right:
Charlton Heston, Epic Film Star and Voice of N.R.A., Dies at 83 [NYT]
Charlton Heston [IMDb]

Wrong:
Charlton Heston, Dead At 84
[AP]

 
 

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- Blurgle See Profile I'm a Fan of Blurgle

The problem with trusting the iMDB is that it is often used as a publicity vehicle by subjects who may have a reason to conceal facts. iMDB editors tend to trust the subject more than they do even the most reliable sources (such as original birth certificates, census returns, and DMV records).

They're also very slow to make controversial changes, even if there's abundant evidence the current information is wrong. When Al Lewis died, the iMDB listed his year of birth as 1910. They rejected corrections for weeks after Lewis's son officially corrected the record.

Reporters have to be aware that any source can be in error. The family is often the best source, but even they may have something to hide. As the old saying goes, when your mother tells you she loves you, check it out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 04/08/2008
- rbdc See Profile I'm a Fan of rbdc

Comment to update from 4/7: Rachel, no reason to go ape and bonk your head against the wall (troubling visual that that is). The pun still works -- after a fashion: DAMN the AP for reporting the DIRTY truth when everyone else was monkeying around with the facts.

In response to any damning replies to this comment I may receive on this page, I apologize for this comment ahead of time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 04/07/2008
- Rachel Sklar - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Rachel Sklar

Ha yeah - I'll justify it any way I can!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 04/07/2008
- rbdc See Profile I'm a Fan of rbdc

Like I said before, it makes little difference how many times the earth has done a full 360 around the sun since his birth -- that musket can now be taken from his hands one way or the other. However, for accuracy's sake, in today's NY Times (p. A4), there's a correction to the original obituary; the Times now says he was, in fact, 84, born in 1923, not 1924.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 04/07/2008
- Rachel Sklar - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Rachel Sklar

Thanks for pointing this out!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 04/07/2008
- dmhkh See Profile I'm a Fan of dmhkh

McCain may get some facts wrong, but at least he understand a heck of a lot more about what is going on in the world, than BO does with his glittering generalitites mostly about nothing. If BO wins the nomination, I will be voting for McCain, at least he has some experience and some integrity. I don't think BO has any. Also I think Howard Dean is a whimp and has made a huge mistake messing aroung with Florida and MIchigan their votes should have been counted. This is a huge disadvantage to senator Clinotn and he knows it. I think he is playing both the reverse race and gender card.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 04/06/2008
- Arguman See Profile I'm a Fan of Arguman

ah, yes. that line is too precious not to make a joke about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 04/06/2008
- rbdc See Profile I'm a Fan of rbdc

Yeah, but it wasn't just what he said, but the way he said it as well. It was a very bellicose statement made with utmost stridency and belligerence. And, by the way, what was the absolute necessity of possessing a rifle over there in those Hills of Beverly?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 04/06/2008
- rbdc See Profile I'm a Fan of rbdc

At the risk of sounding callous, whether he was 83 or 84, that rifle can now be pried from his hands.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 04/06/2008
- Deggans See Profile I'm a Fan of Deggans

I had a conversation with Tim Brooks the author of the Complete Directory to Prime Time Network and Cable TV Shows about this very subject -- the accuracy of widely-used online references such as IMDB and Wikipedia.

Everybody knows Wikipedia is suspect, just because of the possibility that you might see a page with an error edited in before the herd of users corrects it. But Brooks also told me that IMDB has a lot of errors in its information. And when I wrote about Doors keyboardist Ray Manzerek many years ago, he admitted to me that there was a widespread misconception that he was a few years younger than he is, because a journalist got it wrong back in the band';s heyday, and he liked the idea of being seen as younger so he never corrected it.

The upshot is, on matters of age espcially, because it is so easy to get the date wrong, and because subjects lie sometimes, it is best to try and get the info from the estate for obits. And best not to assume someone else has gotten it wrong until a primary source is consulted....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 04/07/2008
- Rachel Sklar - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Rachel Sklar

Don't know if you saw my note of irony at the end - that I had also checked Wikipedia and internally scoffed at how they got it wrong. My process was noting that the AP had come out first, and that the NYT had reported the age as 84 first, and then had followed up with their own obit, which listed the age as 83. I was already leaning toward the NYT being a correction to a hastily-issued AP obit just based on timing, and its own correction of itself. IMDb in my head was the tiebreaker. I actually do know that it's not always accurate but I kept going back to it over and over again during the day to check for correction and it stayed the same, which I took (again stupidly) to mean it was right. It was less faith in IMDb than it was faith in the NYT, and the narrative I had constructed in my head around the timing - it seemed to make a lot more sense that the NYT would correct the AP than the NYT would publish the right age in its email blast and then "correct" it to the wrong one. But what do I know, it is the same paper that publishes Alessandra Stanley.

p.s. Hi Eric if you are Eric!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 04/07/2008
- TheHunt See Profile I'm a Fan of TheHunt

I trust Wikipedia for the simple reason that the principle person responsible for fact checking and even writing all the articles is none other than the 2006 Time Magazine Person of the Year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 04/07/2008
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