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Worst. Debate. Ever.

First Posted: 04/24/08 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 01:30 PM ET

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Going into tonight's debate in Philadelphia, the two millionth one we've had so far this primary season, I had one significant worry: that the bulk of the time would be taken up with process questions and media obsessions, and that issues of import would end up getting sidelined. As it turns out, I was depressingly, distressingly correct. In fact, there were times when tonight's debate ventured into territory so utterly asinine that I could scarcely believe what I was witnessing.

Twas not until the nine-o'clock hour drew nigh that a single issue-oriented question was asked. The entire first hour was dedicated to silly campaign queries and scandals both du jour and d'antan. Before a single question was posed about the War in Iraq or the economy was asked, the viewing audience had to wade through the following:

Any chance at a "Dream Ticket?"


"Bitter, much?"

"Do you think your opponent stands a chance against McCain?"

"What about Reverend Wright?"

"Wait. I have an even stupider question about Reverend Wright."

"Seriously. Who were you fooling with that Bosnia shizz?"

"Hey, Hussein! Why no American flag lapel pin?"

"Hey, Sean Hannity wanted me to ask you something, Barack! I got a question on the Weather Underground! Maybe later we'll talk about the Symbionese Liberation Army!"

All of these questions have been beaten to a pulp, grim death. And neither candidate really had anything new to add to the responses they've already offered time and time again. It was as if ABC News, left out of the twenty-four hour news cycle that spawned these zombo-droid queries, needed to get in their licks on the same matters, too, just so they could feel like they'd played a part in every last one of the primary season's glittering inanities.

Why in the world George Stephanopoulos felt compelled to ask Barack Obama if Reverend Wright "loved America" after he had already been made to give another recitation of his repudiation of Wright's remarks is a question that simply defies the imagination. What sort of sensible answer can be given to that question? It would require astral projection to properly gauge another man's emotional state. And if you want to ask Hillary Clinton to account for the odd contortions she advanced on the matter of her Bosnia recollections, just sack up and ask. Don't hide behind the additional, pointless cruelty of a random voter's scoldings that Clinton lost their vote. What a wholly superfluous pile on!

And the flag lapel pin question came with this admonishment from Charles Gibson: "It keeps coming up, again and again." Well, no shit, Charlie! It keeps "coming up, again and again" because the media resolutely refuses to obtain the necessary courage to stop doing so.

Gibson and Stephanopoulos did deign to squeeze in a few questions of substance, on the Iraq War, taxes, Iran's nuclear ambitions, gun control, and energy independence. But it was quite clear that the moderators could have cared less about the content of the candidate's responses. Instead, they concerned themselves with pinning Obama and Clinton down on a series of absurd "pledges," for the purpose, no doubt, of providing the "gotcha" questions of tomorrow.

To their credit, Clinton and Obama were thoughtful enough to broach the topic of the housing market. Good thing! It didn't occur to the moderators to ask!

The string of issue-oriented questions didn't last long. The debate concluded with a question on how the candidates would "use" George W. Bush in the future. (As a hat-rack, maybe?) And the invitation to make a closing statement required each candidate to imagine how they would win the support of a superdelegate. Process nonsense to the end.

Throughout the night, ABC returned from commercials with bumpers that featured random quotes from the Constitution, because something, apparently, needed to substitute for gravitas.

Like I said, there have been several thousand of these debates. Most, I've watched. Many, I've covered or liveblogged. A few, I have sat very still, and hoped for the sweet release that only the icy hand of death can provide. Tonight was the first time I would have dearly loved to see Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama team up and turn the tables on their interrogators.

Before ABC signed off for the evening, Gibson heard a reaction from the audience and observed, "The crowd is turning on me."

If only they'd done so sooner.

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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
fcrooster
Retired English teacher of 35
03:56 PM on 04/19/2008
I'm still furious about ABC's Philadelphia Democratic Debate, featuring George Stephanopoulos and Charles Gibson. "All is fair in love and war," so John McCain should not be given the free ride by the media, let alone by George Stephanopoulos Sunday on This Week. When it's said the press likes McCain because his maverick status or because he grants them more access, that a smoke screen. McCain's out of touch with real Americans--like most of the media are--with no understanding of their economic or other inequities. He's a flip-flopper--like Hiliary Clinton. He supports long wars. He also says he supports our troops; yet, like President Bush, he really supports their continued brutalization by not supporting the new GI Education Bill. Ever since his return from Vietnam and the Keating Five incident, he's a man of questionable character. So there's plenty there for George Stephanopoulos to uncover--if he had the balls and was fair--starting with Cindy June Cleaver McCain's family recipes and the publication of his tax returns for the last two years. Get on with it, George!
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PatA
Juan Martinez! Rock Star!
02:31 PM on 04/19/2008
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?videoId=1fd1c0cf-5c80-4d75-996f-bd53b2461ae0&sMPlaylistID

this is the link that was mentioned above. it is wonderful!
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
rosal
JUSTICE always wins
04:11 PM on 04/18/2008
Three clowns attacking Obama at the same time. Proud of how well he did.
01:32 AM on 04/18/2008
Peter Jennings was rolling in his grave.
09:36 PM on 04/17/2008
Facts are facts! Senator Clinton and Senator Obama are separated by only 1% of the popular vote. We still have 10 states left which suggest millions of Americans have yet to vote. The recurring theme that Obama has already won this primary election is premature. The theme is designed to depress Hillary supporters in upcoming primaries. In short, the free ride given by the media "from a fawning press corps" is reality. It's time the media asked Obama an adult question that does not receive a disingenuous response. This is only a scrimmage people--the real blood-bath begins in the general election. OUR RECONNAISSANCE HAS JUST BEGUN!!
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03:51 PM on 04/17/2008
The right-wing starting with Hannity have actually accomplished the unthinkable, what would have been scoffed as a bad joke an year ago is now most likely a possiblity,John McCain is going to be the next President. What a tragedy for the US, and the entire world, who would have thought that with 8 full years of mess of a Presidency, that Republicans would not even have a chance of getting elected to statewide office, let alone the White House. Fear has won again, orders are coming from Fox News, and almost the entire media is running with it, it started with the 2000 election, and it continues through 9/11, what with the flag waving orchestra from Hannity & Colmes to Lou Dobbs, Goodbye Democracy ( wait a minute, it was never a democracy, bye bye semblance of a democracy)
03:17 PM on 04/17/2008
Obama was not prepared for the debate, he needs to take responsibility for his poor performance and stop putting the blame off on everyone else. That goes for his fan club too, stop coddling him, he's a grown man running for the office of President of the United States. If he couldn't handle the questions posed last night how the heck is he going to lead this country and the world in a new direction!
03:46 PM on 04/17/2008
Obama was more then prepared for this debate. He had it coming from all ends. He did a beautiful job and it will show in the polls. I would have told all of them where they could go but Obama was a gentleman all the way. If Obama would have said something to Hillary Clinton, and she would have started crying, or did one of her guys are piling up on me crap, then you would have still been angry.

Let me ask you something, do you know Hillary Clintons minister, McCain? Bush? or any elected official. How do you know what is going on in their churches?
04:55 PM on 04/17/2008
OH MY GOD! Are you that YouTuber that did the "Leave Barack Obama Alone" video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvUNFmB7Jl8

I love that video!

By the way, I'm pretty sure that if Clinton's or McCain's ministers were making outragous hatefiled comments on Sunday morning we would all know their names!
04:32 PM on 04/17/2008
Clinto and Obama! One on One! My foot! (cleaned that one up) Their debate should have been advertised as three to one. Gibson & Stephanopolous wasting thirty to forty-five minutes asking questions about trivia that set up Hillary to make yet another cheap shot. Every time I hear her giving one of her mock-sincere swipes at Obama, I like her less, and this is compounded by every analyst that shows the clip. My opinion of political "analysts" can be summed up by the first four letters of their title. The bulk of them know nothing and demonstrate this in the media daily. Hillary makes a mistake, I think, with her sweet, petty, fault finding. I see it as grasping at straws, with which to beat her dead horse of a campaign. Some people talk for the simple pleasue of hearing their own voice, without much regard for accuracy, intelligence or consequences. Obama has a right to be upset.
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Grulg
02:55 PM on 04/17/2008
Boys you guys are a real pack of whiners-Prince Obama gets hit with the same exact treatment that Clintonista 101 here has been getting, and you guys can't take it. Tough. This is NOTHING compared to what he will face in the summer and fall if he is the nominee. You know I'm right.
03:47 PM on 04/17/2008
Yes, you are right but what everyone is upset about is Hillary. The are both on the same side. Geez.
04:51 PM on 04/17/2008
No, that's about what he is going to face this summer and fall.
02:36 PM on 04/17/2008
Please let ABC know what a joke their so called debate was!

Call the Switch Board: 212-456-7777 and Ask for the Voicemail of George Stephanopoulos Directly.

Also: dial 818-460-7477 press 2 then 6 then 639

ABC NEW YORK NEWSROOM: (212) 456-5100 newsradio@abc.com Newsroom Fax Machine 212.456.5150

Peter Salinger (THE MAN IN CHARGE OF ELECTION COVERAGE) Director, Special Events & Sports 212.456.5105 peter.salinger@abc.com

Cristi LandesManager, Programming 212.456.5107 cristi.d.landes@abc.com

Wayne Fisk Director, Programming 212.456.5327 wayne.fisk@abc.com

Jeff Fitzgerald Executive Director, Operations 212.456.5554 jeffrey.t.fitzgerald@abc.com

Heidi Oringer Executive Director, Entertainment 212.456.5541 heidi.b.oringer@abc.com

Jon Newman News Coverage 212.456.5100 jonathan.m.newman@abc.com

Joyce Alcantara Assignment Manager 212.456.5106 joyce.a.alcantara@abc.com

Jim Kane Deputy D.C. Bureau Chief 212.222. 6604 james.f.kane@abc.com

Andrew Kalb Executive Director, Programming 05.567.2269 andrew.l.kalb@abc.com

Robert Garcia Executive Director, News & Sports 212.456.5103 robert.garcia@abc.com
09:12 AM on 04/18/2008
Thanks. A helpful way to vent. Made several calls. More effective than just commenting here.
02:35 PM on 04/17/2008
I don't have time to read all the other comments here but surely I am not alone in wondering why former Clinton senior policy advisor George Stephanopoulos was one of the moderators of this debacle--I mean, debate. Are not the hosts of these things supposed to at least give the appearance of neutrality?
02:01 PM on 04/17/2008
Just need to say that you hit the bullseye. Dead on. Perfect.

That debate was a rancid, stinking pile.
01:49 PM on 04/17/2008
Jason Linkins blames the media. That's what happens when you give a writer with no political acumen access to a popular blog.
Jason let me use Obama's favorite first word of a sentence to explain.

Understand that the fight for the White House unfolds in the toughest political ring in the world.
You have to be tough, resilient and you have to know how to go for the jugular.

Obama won 11 states in a row. He should have finished Hillary off by now. He can't. He does not have the stuff. And the super delegates know this.

Last night Obama could have been contender. But in the end he's just a bum . ( I'm running out of Boxing metaphors )
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BetterDeadthanRedState
Speech isn't free when only the rich can afford it
02:57 PM on 04/17/2008
You coulda been a pretender, oh wait, you are.
03:53 PM on 04/17/2008
If Obama would have told Hilly what he thought, it would have been all over the news as he was being condescending or view as A MAD BLACK MAN. That stupid woman runs to the press crying that Barack is hurting her. She does it all the time. She uses her gender all the time. If Hillary would have been a woman I would have agreed with you.
01:48 PM on 04/17/2008
My Good, ABC, how could you dissapoint Obamas FANS,you know,they like the media like CNN.MCNBC,who already decided who will be the next president.As soon,somebody,shameless ABC, had the guts to really go deeper and let the American People to know more about Obama,they think,you trow a BOMB,over America. YES, ABC, I applaud you courage to go against the "darling " of the media and ask him about his past, all the dubious friends, associates.I never know, this is a State secret. They should ask him more questions like, his participation with his wife,in a party given by Rezko in his mansion,where Auchi(the Iraqian bill.) was invited,and his brief meeting with the same Auchi in Chicagos Four Season restaurant? Chill-down,Obama supporters,all of you get used to the media who was and is,totally bias agains Hillary,yes, she made mistakes too.Fortunately,we know Hillary,inside-out,thanks to the Clintons haters,but what about Obama? his dranken father communist beliefs, his mother,early believe in marxist theory?Don't believe-it, go and read the story about his mother in NY Times,Chicago Tribune,and many others. Don't jump on ABC,they have a right to ask him and WE have a right to know,who will be the person,who eventually will be the next president and stop labeling the moderator questions as TABLOID.Don't hate the people,who won't agree with you.I'm not a Obama fan and never will be.
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BetterDeadthanRedState
Speech isn't free when only the rich can afford it
03:02 PM on 04/17/2008
What a heaping pile of it!

He could have avoided ALL of these misfortunes of having really nasty associates if he'd just worn one of those little flag thingy lapel pins! Oh the horrors of having drunken and Marxists associates. Since you like to bask in the imaginary and irrelevant, let me remind you that that little girl on the tarmac in Tusla, you know the one who braved the sniper fire to read that poem to our first lady. She used to be a communist!
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mojopo
Enthusiast
01:39 PM on 04/17/2008
I am so thrilled to see I'm not alone in my disappointment! I visited the ABC site, and there are about 15,000 comments about how awful the debate was. Thank you much to the author of this article for expressing exactly what was on my mind! I am sick and tired of the MSM inserting themselves into politics and dumbing-down an entire nation! They shuould be ashamed. As Democrats, we should all be outraged by that farce. The only good the debate accomplished was uniting the party over the willfully incompetent journalists at ABC. With so many problems - economic, social, war, health care - and they ask about flag pins and The Weathermen? Oh.my.f*cking.God.

Worst EVER.
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NoMoreDrama
Less Obstruction, more Construction!
01:33 PM on 04/17/2008
I think Obama's association with Kevin Bacon and elitist hollywood values needs to be explored some more before it erupts in the General Election. Also Clinton's ties to Kevin Bacon and his crappy band need to be exposed as the threat to our nation that it is. And McCain can't claim immunity on the national security crisis that is Kevin Bacon's relationship with him, Cindy and his entire campaign. The media really needs to get to the bottom of the Global Hollywood Elitist Caliphate that Kevin Bacon and his legion of 6 billion associates want to impose on the U.S. I predict, that the General Election will be won or lost, depending on what REALLY is in Kevin Bacon's trash. Be afraid.
01:59 PM on 04/17/2008
You're on the right track, NoMoreDrama, and the next thing that needs to be addressed: Does Obama eat bacon? If so, what brand? If not, is it because of his Muslim beliefs? Or is he really really secretly Jewish? Is he too elitist for America's favorite breakfast food?

Don't wait for McCain to spring these traps in the general election, because you know the Republicans will be a lot tougher than Hillary on the vital issues.