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Joe Scarborough Walks Off MSNBC's "Race To The White House" After Exchange With Rachel Maddow

Huffington Post   |   April 17, 2008 07:55 PM

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Update from MSNBC spokesman Jeremy Gaines to Huffington Post:
"Joe didn't walk off. He chose not to participate in the final couple of minutes of the discussion because he felt the conversation didn't fit his role as a political analyst."

Previously:
Did Joe Scarborough walk out of David Gregory's show "Race to the White House" Thursday night on MSNBC? It seems that way by the video below. Joe was a panelist on the show along with Air America's Rachel Maddow, CNBC's John Harwood and former Tennessee Congressman Harold Ford, Jr.

The panel was discussing the effect of Sen. Obama's personal and professional relationships on his campaign when Rachel and Joe disagreed. Joe started to challenge Rachel's argument that relationships only become an issue when a political opponent makes them an issue, but she cut him off, "Let me make my point and then you can dismiss me." She then finished with an example of a McCain campaign co-chair in Florida's bathroom activities.

After a commercial break, Joe prefaced his rebuttal to Rachel's point by saying "I don't engage in Crossfire-type debates and certainly I don't want to talk about what people do in bathrooms." When he finished speaking, and after David Gregory had shut Joe vs. Rachel down, John Harrow came on camera. Then, viewers can hear Joe taking off his microphone (2:47 into the below video). When the panel picture came back, no Joe.

Watch Rachel and Joe make their points, hear Joe unplug, and then (after a jump) see the panel after Joe has gone:

Pictures of before and after:

 

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collapse LightningJoe See Profile I'm a Fan of LightningJoe

Maddow rules! She's among quite a few new liberal voices who simply won't let themselves be shat upon by the usual suspects. It's no wonder that the likes of Scarborough have a hard time with opponents who won't lie still and let themselves be walked on, but Maddow gets it, that the name of the game is stomp and intimidate and override, in the few seconds you get on the tube. She doesn't see any reason to let them get away with it, and neither do I.

(Scarborough does so, "do Crossfire!")

P.S: This is the same way to think about trolls on-line, who are just in it to stomp, intimidate, and override the reasoned voices, and make them go away. The thing to remember, is that they have no reason on their side, just emotion and vehemence, that they are forced to try to pass off as sense, to impress the easily-swayed. If reasoned voices simply DO NOT GIVE UP, trolls eventually give themselves away as the principle-free ideologues they are.

No reason to be rude, with right on your side, but NEVER let a troll have the last word.

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favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 04/22/2008
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I tend to watch Morning Joe in the a.m. since not much else is on, i really feel that fundamentally Joe has gender issue's, i hate the way he exercise's his authority over Mica on his show. He seriously has power issue's and Rachel's not the first women to rightfully check him.

Oh... and of course to state the obvious, he's constantly being condescendingly transparent with his Machiavellian republican interest serving rhetoric.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 04/23/2008
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I soooooo... agree with you...
2points-
Rachael is a Rhoades scholar- Joe is not.
Rachael does her research and presents a fair assessment of the issues-Joe does not
Rachael has the skill of debate and can talk intelligently about any issue- Joe cannot!

I was watching that show, the author got it wrong..Rachael waited for Joe to dispense his nonsense, then after she started giving her views, JOE interrputed her. (typical right winged tactic to disrupt an important point being made)..
When Rachel stood up to him in her comments, he ran way like a little girl!
GO RACHAEL YOU ROCK!!!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 04/23/2008
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Joe S., along with the bigoted Pat B., are going after Obama again this morning. The media has gone too far in trying to influence the public with their bias. I agree with you all that Rachel Maddow should have a morning show up against Joe S. At least she poses both points of view.

The other thing I wanted to say is that I think the negativity against Obama by those in the media who, for one reason or another dislike him, is going to come back and bite them in the backside.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 AM on 04/22/2008
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Poor little Joe should be forced to wear a t-shirt when on MSMNC that says "DOESN'T PLAY WELL WITH OTHER PEOPLE!"

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 04/21/2008
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Rachel Maddow is AWESOME!
The MSNBC technical crew did a great job on that too. It was just a matter of seconds between the screen with Joe and the screen without. Kudos to both Rachel and the msnbc tech. folks behind the glass!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 04/21/2008
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Rachel Maddow is a class act. She didn't mean anything other than not wishing to be stepped on. I never miss her radio show and I hope NBC sees a future "Keith". She is that good. Go Girl! I kinda like Joe as a reasonable conservative voice and I hope he sees his way through this and cleans up the mess. Obama needs to consider Rachel for Press Secretary. (Rachel gasps....)

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 04/21/2008
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The wimp is back with pat buchanan -guess he needs pat if he gets into a fight

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 04/21/2008
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Oh dear, I just tuned in and Joe's back. How much of a hint does he need?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 04/21/2008
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WTG Rachel. Love you grrrrl!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 04/21/2008
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Gov Rendell and Farrakhan connection is real

So you want the kitchen sinks HILLARY!! YOU GOT IT!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/21/ed-rendell-clinton-surrog_n_97784.html



In April 1997, Ed Rendell -- then the mayor of Philadelphia and currently the governor of Pennsylvania and a major Clinton surrogate -- delivered a passion-filled speech lauding the work of Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam.

"I would like to thank the Nation of Islam here in Philadelphia," Rendell said to the crowd, as Farrakhan looked on approvingly. "To thank you for what you stand for and what you stand for all the good it does to so many people in Philadelphia. And if there is anybody out here... who doesn't know, this is a faith that has as its principles, the family. This is a faith that doesn't just talk about family values, it lives family values. This is a faith where men respect their women and children and they manifest that faith by staying in the home with them. This is a faith that doesn't just talk about being against drugs but is out there every single day and night fighting against drugs. This is a faith that just doesn't talk about the value of education, it imbues in their children and schools that education is the way to opportunity."

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 04/21/2008
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Rachel Maddow covered for Keith Olbermann on Countdown recently. One can only hope she gets more TV gigs. She's very well informed and quite charming. Joe probably did the right thing walking away, as she would have slapped him around if it had continued. I for one would not want to see a grown man cry on TV.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 04/21/2008
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Scarborough acts so tough then gets pwned by a girl. This is too funny for words.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 04/21/2008
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he showed that he has Class and she does not.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 04/21/2008
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Could you explain why you feel she does not have class? I'm intrigued... Thanks!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 04/21/2008
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Joe Scarborough Guilty of Murdering His Former Aide? Medical Examiner Fired Over False Autopsy Report

http://www.truthalliance.net/Archive/tabid/67/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/583/Default.aspx

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 04/21/2008
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"Joe didn't walk off. He chose not to participate in the final couple of minutes of the discussion because he felt the conversation didn't fit his role as a political analyst."

Really? Did it sound like Joe was uncomfortable interrupting Rachel to make his point?
That is one weak explanation.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 04/21/2008
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Walking off = "He chose not to participate in the final couple of minutes of the discussion . . ."

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 04/21/2008
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The way he has acted on his morning show.........yea the jerk walked off because he's a diva and the films shows how the others laughed when he left. Normally the anchorman would say ahead of thime if that person had to leave.....but no you can hear how dramatically he acted when he left but I didn't see him on their the following day. I'll be glad when we have our next president so his rating can go down, I rather have Imus then this chauvanist ork.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 04/21/2008
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I like the 3 hour morning show on MSNBC. It just needs a lttle tweaking.
1) Get rid of Joe, of course.
2) Get rid of that nitwit Willie Geist
3) I thnk Mika has to go too. Since she is a doormant for that idiot Joe too.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 04/21/2008
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Willie Geist really serves no positive purpose on MSNBC. Perhaps it's his assignment rather than his choice.

Mika is so busy trying to be a sex kitten and making sure her gloss is still glossy that she loses her credibility as a news anchor.

Joe has come a long way from the ultra conservative he was when I first became aware of him. Just when I was ready to give up on his show, he became more of a centrist and his feet touched the floor after being so enamored with Barack Obama's speaking abilities. This senator is only as good as the information his staff has put on his teleprompter.

Rachel Maddow has great credentials with her education. Joe Scarborough adds experience as a past Congressman from Florida. Both of these people have their place and if the higher ups would find more interesting people than Mika and Willie, this show would be ready to fly.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 04/24/2008
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I watched that episode, and excuse me for commenting on something that doesn't directly pertain to the subject at hand, but I found it to be interesting.

The context of the argument was that Maddow was attacking McCain's values because one of the people running his state campaigns was once involved in a bathroom sex incident. Quite a farcry from
donating $25,000 to Reverend Jeremiah "G$%D&%^ America" Wright. (These issues don't matter do me, but they do to middle america, and to say they wont resonate as maddow was, is pure ignorance)

As an Obama supporter, (I think its pretty evident Maddow is as well) it looks pretty pathetic when that is your comeback to someone pointing out an accurate observation that McCain has been in the public eye for decades, opposed to Obama who has only recently been under the microscope. That which Hillary's camp and the Republicans have been able to find isn't so flattering. We shouldn't dismiss it as hypocrisy like Maddow does if we want Mr. Obama to be in the White House come January. Its a problem, Acknowledge it, dont cling to something so pathetic.

Joe was completely right, (not a pun) and it scares me.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 04/21/2008
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So nobody thats been around the block gets to be "vetted" ?? All past deeds stay in the past? I'm sure McCain's 1st wife would have something to say about that.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 04/21/2008
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Joe's point is true, but irrelevant to the discussion of why Obama has to explain Wright, but McCain doesn't have to explain Hagee, Parsley, or the Fla co-chair.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 04/21/2008
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It's no way in hell you're a Obama supporter.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 04/21/2008
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"Maddow was attacking McCain's values" - I disaggree.

She was accurately pointing out how the press doesn't publicly scrutinize McCain equally and pointed to things which, if they were Democrats, would be looped on TV 24/7.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 04/21/2008
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Joe is arrogant, sometimes he is charming, funny and even insightful, but he is always full of his own self importance. Not a comfortable thing to have to witness as you try to access what is going on in the world.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 04/21/2008
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joe is arrogant and childish if he would grow up a little he might be tolerable

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 04/21/2008
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Looks like Joe didn't like them discussing McCain's top campaign guy getting arrested for soliciting SEX in a PUBLIC RESTROOM!!!!

McCain showed bad judgment and questionable morals in selecting a public-restroom-sex-guy to run his campaign in Florida.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 04/21/2008
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Do you suppose Mark Foley suggest this guy to McCain?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 04/21/2008
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Oh dear Lord! Where have I been? Had not heard that.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 04/21/2008
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Pretty soon there won't be anyone left on MSNBC with Class. They are nothing more than a joke! They can't compete anymore.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 04/21/2008
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I agree. They need to do something different with that time slot. And that Brezinski chick is real tired

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 04/21/2008
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I usually side with Maddow, as I myself consider myself pretty liberal, but I must say I applaud Scarborough for not engaging in the banter that Maddow thinks is political discourse.

Shows like RFTWH are a microcosm for everything that is wrong with the current state of American politics. Everything is not black and white. Have a civil conversation about it. Maddow clearly wasn't capable of doing it. What they were arguing about was hardly even a bipartisan issue, she just went off regarding something that she was completely off base in her analysis.

Scarborough's statement "I don't engage in Crossfire-type debates and certainly I don't want to talk about what people do in bathrooms" couldn't have been more fitting. People like Maddow have an arrogance about them that is ruining America's perception of the left. If we ever want to have a democrat in the white house we need to stop with this condescension towards the right and have some intelligent discourse.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 04/21/2008
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PART II

This independent voter has been all too aware of the Bush family and its skullduggery starting with Prescott Bush's treason during WW2, and it is plainly evident that his progeny have continued his cynical boundless avarice and moral bankruptcy.

To have a discourse with the Busheviks and their "Repedophile" fellow travelers at this point in America's history is IMHO a concept that is utterly, irredeemably intellectually bankrupt and morally reprehensible.

Sheep would do better to open a discourse with rabid, starving wolves, than for honest Americans to waste any more time trying to reason with the spiritual and moral inheritors of Caligula, Boss Tweed, and Idi Amin.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 04/22/2008
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" People like Maddow have an arrogance about them that is ruining America's perception of the left. If we ever want to have a democrat in the white house we need to stop with this condescension towards the right and have some intelligent discourse."

What an utter canard. You want an intelligent discourse with the "party of family values?" Better look at their track record first:

http://www.armchairsubversive.org

"Family values like the locals in THE HILLS HAVE EYES.

Better just ignore the actual track record of the "Gang of Pedophiles" these past seven and a half years from Hell, including but not limited to launching a war for oil and empire based upon over 900+ documented lies about WMDs and spurious claims of connections between Saddam Hussein and 9/11, defective body armour ("Support our troops!"), unarmoured humvees ("Bring it on!"), VA benefits denied to deserving vets as na apparent matter of official policy ("Mission accomplished!"), no-bid contracts, billions in taxpayer *cash* missing and unaccounted for, several hundred thousand weapons missing and unaccounted for, mercenaries, Abu Ghraib, Hurricane Katrina ("Heckuvajob Brownie"), the foreclosure epidemic, corruption unrestrained and without such egregious precedent that Boss Tweed would blush with shame.

END PART I

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 04/22/2008
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if he doesn't want crossfire style debate, then he shouldn't have interrupted Rachel.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 04/21/2008